What are advantages of Df over D600/D610

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Shotcents
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Re: What are advantages of Df over D600/D610

tissunique wrote:

Robert, glad you are now using the right camera for your jewellery shots. Now all you need to do is choose a more appropriate background colour and you're almost there! Well done...

I use the Df on jewelry shots as well, plus I don't get to pick the background colors. When shooting stuff that requires more cropping, the D800 is superior. Next week I'll be working with bracelets and earrings in settings with less light (for website mockups) and the Df will be the camera to use.

Also: When working with my vertical extension for overhead shooting, the Df light weight is better.

Each camera has it's strengths and it's best to have a choice of tools. Even better when you enjoy those tools as I do the Df!

Robert

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Rservello
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Shotcents wrote:

Df makes a cleaner file at higher ISOs with no fuss. I tried hard to avoid topping ISO 3200 with my D800, not just because of noise, but also because of color shifts and loss of dynamic range. The D600 is about the same, though both of these high res cameras do very well overall. In good light they are superior and have more features than the Df.

With the Df you get the following....

1) Best high ISO results available. Yes, you can downsize, tweak D600/D800 files and get good results, but the Df will do it better more often and more easily.

2) Df is smallest/lightest Nikon FX camera

3) Df has TWO sets of controls. You can use the dials OR command wheels. I use both and it's fun!

4) Df is a beautiful camera, engaging to use.

I can make a longer list of D600 advantages. The Df is a high caliber expensive niche product and not for everyone. The folks who it's NOT for are upset about that. The rest of us are in heaven and the Df has replaced my D800 for most uses. I'm still using the D800 for shooting jewelry and other products.

Cheers,

Robert

The D800 and the D600 are not even similar at high ISO.  The D800 loses massive DR and blacks turn green at high iso.  D600 does not have this issue.

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You don't have to defend the d600 on every post....

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chooflaki Regular Member • Posts: 397
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BasiliskPhoto wrote:

chooflaki wrote:

If you are into old lenses, the Df will mount and meter just about all the F mount lenses made from inception in 1959 which no other DSLR can do.

The D600/610 will mount and meter any AI and AIS lenses which is probably about 90% of the manual lenses out there. You would have to be a bit of a vintage lens nut to deliberately seek the very earliest lenses. No evidence that the Df is any better for handling and focussing manual lenses.

I think it is mainly that old lenses look classier on a retro body.

Not really, there will be far less than 90% AI or AIS lenses around. The Non AI lenses were made from 1959 to the early 1970's. Ai came in the 70's. Some can be adapted to AI but not all. For exmplle the 5.8cm f1.4 cannot be Ai"D. There are some very exotic and unique non Ai lenses in the Nikkor collection. I have quite a few. There are a lot of vintage lens nuts around and they are buying Df's like me. Its great that these lenses are now very usable again.

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JF69 Contributing Member • Posts: 859
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Don't know if the subject is a family member, but you should be proud of that shot of that baby!

At ISO 5000 it's proving quite a point that the D600/610 are also up there when it comes to High ISO.

Thanks for sharing.

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JF69 wrote:

Don't know if the subject is a family member, but you should be proud of that shot of that baby!

At ISO 5000 it's proving quite a point that the D600/610 are also up there when it comes to High ISO.

Thanks for sharing.

That's my daughter, and thanks

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You don't have to defend the d600 on every post....

I don't appreciate misinformation.

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BasiliskPhoto Senior Member • Posts: 1,008
Re: What are advantages of Df over D600/D610

chooflaki wrote:

BasiliskPhoto wrote:

chooflaki wrote:

If you are into old lenses, the Df will mount and meter just about all the F mount lenses made from inception in 1959 which no other DSLR can do.

The D600/610 will mount and meter any AI and AIS lenses which is probably about 90% of the manual lenses out there. You would have to be a bit of a vintage lens nut to deliberately seek the very earliest lenses. No evidence that the Df is any better for handling and focussing manual lenses.

I think it is mainly that old lenses look classier on a retro body.

Not really, there will be far less than 90% AI or AIS lenses around. The Non AI lenses were made from 1959 to the early 1970's. Ai came in the 70's. Some can be adapted to AI but not all. For exmplle the 5.8cm f1.4 cannot be Ai"D. There are some very exotic and unique non Ai lenses in the Nikkor collection. I have quite a few. There are a lot of vintage lens nuts around and they are buying Df's like me. Its great that these lenses are now very usable again.

You may be right, but if lenses that old are your interest (and I have some nice non-Nikon glass from back then) you could throw the Sony A7 into the mix as a much cheaper and manual-friendly option than the Df, with the bonus adapting pretty much any non-Nikon lenses too.

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enkindler wrote:

Personally I live in a place that is very dim even at noon in the winter and for me the extra stop of native ISO was worth the extra cost just as it is sometimes worth paying three times as much for an extra 2/3 of stop on a lens. I also use ae-l and af-on all the time and like how easy it is to switch ISO compared to the D610.

Switching ISO is perhaps easier and faster with the D610.  Use the left thumb to reach for the ISO button, the right thumb to turn the main control dial and see it changed through the viewfinder, then continue shooting.

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Rservello
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Re: What are advantages of Df over D600/D610

aus4ever wrote:

enkindler wrote:

Personally I live in a place that is very dim even at noon in the winter and for me the extra stop of native ISO was worth the extra cost just as it is sometimes worth paying three times as much for an extra 2/3 of stop on a lens. I also use ae-l and af-on all the time and like how easy it is to switch ISO compared to the D610.

Switching ISO is perhaps easier and faster with the D610. Use the left thumb to reach for the ISO button, the right thumb to turn the main control dial and see it changed through the viewfinder, then continue shooting.

You can also set it to always show ISO in the top LCD instead of number of remaining shots.

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If the Df has the same sensor and processor as the D4, I think its major advantage is colour accuracy. There are times that I think the colours produced by the D610 is a bit artificial, too vivid (I shoot RAW) and not very natural even when compared with the D700.

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Re: What are advantages of Df over D600/D610

Rservello wrote:

aus4ever wrote:

enkindler wrote:

Personally I live in a place that is very dim even at noon in the winter and for me the extra stop of native ISO was worth the extra cost just as it is sometimes worth paying three times as much for an extra 2/3 of stop on a lens. I also use ae-l and af-on all the time and like how easy it is to switch ISO compared to the D610.

Switching ISO is perhaps easier and faster with the D610. Use the left thumb to reach for the ISO button, the right thumb to turn the main control dial and see it changed through the viewfinder, then continue shooting.

You can also set it to always show ISO in the top LCD instead of number of remaining shots.

Yes, personal preference.  I prefer the default.  If I need to check the ISO, just press the shutter release half way, or press the ISO button with the left thumb.

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chooflaki wrote:

If you are into old lenses, the Df will mount and meter just about all the F mount lenses made from inception in 1959 which no other DSLR can do.

Yes, but not a big advantage if (people like me) don't have or don't use older lenses.

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aus4ever wrote:

If the Df has the same sensor and processor as the D4, I think its major advantage is colour accuracy. There are times that I think the colours produced by the D610 is a bit artificial, too vivid (I shoot RAW) and not very natural even when compared with the D700.

It depends a LOT of how you process the image.

Sometimes I like to process extreme:

And get as much of that color range as I can.

and other times I like to process in a way that really looks the way I saw it on the day:

Sometimes its just fun to go nuts:

or go somewhere in between:

The camera is really only a vehicle to capture light.  Its the user that processes it after that makes the difference.  Any of these shots could have been taken with any camera.  It's just a matter of how you treat them.

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enkindler wrote:

The DF is lighter, has a stop faster non-boost ISO. The DF has both af-on and ae-lock and has much lower shutter lag and startup times.

Obviously the workflow and controls are slightly different between the two but there isn't that much of a difference in "good" light between most of these cameras including apc sized cameras.

I personally wanted the extra stop of native ISO and the controls that I have become use to on the "pro" level bodies over the past several years. I owned a D600 that had the rare oil problem and upgraded to the D800 but I will say that for most photographs any of these cameras (even the D5100) would do a great job. The latest generation of cameras are all pretty much amazing but it depends on how you want to work and what you find important.

Personally I live in a place that is very dim even at noon in the winter and for me the extra stop of native ISO

Digital cameras have a base ISO.  Everything else is pushed from that base ISO exposure. The only reason very high, or very low, ISO's get into the custom functions or hi- settings is those take longer for the camera to process and so the camera won't operate according to specs for fps purposes.

was worth the extra cost just as it is sometimes worth paying three times as much for an extra 2/3 of stop on a lens. I also use ae-l and af-on all the time and like how easy it is to switch ISO compared to the D610.

I also mix strobes so the sync port is nice to have. But these are all minor differences and the styling of the Df wasn't even a factor in my choice although I will admit to liking it now that I own the camera.

But to be honest, outside of that extra stop of native ISO I could most likely take the same photos with both.

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Rservello wrote:

aus4ever wrote:

If the Df has the same sensor and processor as the D4, I think its major advantage is colour accuracy. There are times that I think the colours produced by the D610 is a bit artificial, too vivid (I shoot RAW) and not very natural even when compared with the D700.

It depends a LOT of how you process the image.

Sometimes I like to process extreme:

And get as much of that color range as I can.

and other times I like to process in a way that really looks the way I saw it on the day:

Sometimes its just fun to go nuts:

or go somewhere in between:

The camera is really only a vehicle to capture light. Its the user that processes it after that makes the difference. Any of these shots could have been taken with any camera. It's just a matter of how you treat them.

I shoot RAW and use ACR mainly to tune highlights and shadows and to fix noise.  Occasionally I add a bit of clarity.  I rarely do anything related to colours other than correcting WB.

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aus4ever wrote:

Rservello wrote:

aus4ever wrote:

If the Df has the same sensor and processor as the D4, I think its major advantage is colour accuracy. There are times that I think the colours produced by the D610 is a bit artificial, too vivid (I shoot RAW) and not very natural even when compared with the D700.

It depends a LOT of how you process the image.

Sometimes I like to process extreme:

And get as much of that color range as I can.

and other times I like to process in a way that really looks the way I saw it on the day:

Sometimes its just fun to go nuts:

or go somewhere in between:

The camera is really only a vehicle to capture light. Its the user that processes it after that makes the difference. Any of these shots could have been taken with any camera. It's just a matter of how you treat them.

I shoot RAW and use ACR mainly to tune highlights and shadows and to fix noise. Occasionally I add a bit of clarity. I rarely do anything related to colours other than correcting WB.

I find processing as fun as shooting.  It's really where the end result happens.  Much the same as dark room work.

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BasiliskPhoto wrote:

chooflaki wrote:

BasiliskPhoto wrote:

chooflaki wrote:

If you are into old lenses, the Df will mount and meter just about all the F mount lenses made from inception in 1959 which no other DSLR can do.

The D600/610 will mount and meter any AI and AIS lenses which is probably about 90% of the manual lenses out there. You would have to be a bit of a vintage lens nut to deliberately seek the very earliest lenses. No evidence that the Df is any better for handling and focussing manual lenses.

I think it is mainly that old lenses look classier on a retro body.

Not really, there will be far less than 90% AI or AIS lenses around. The Non AI lenses were made from 1959 to the early 1970's. Ai came in the 70's. Some can be adapted to AI but not all. For exmplle the 5.8cm f1.4 cannot be Ai"D. There are some very exotic and unique non Ai lenses in the Nikkor collection. I have quite a few. There are a lot of vintage lens nuts around and they are buying Df's like me. Its great that these lenses are now very usable again.

You may be right, but if lenses that old are your interest (and I have some nice non-Nikon glass from back then) you could throw the Sony A7 into the mix as a much cheaper and manual-friendly option than the Df, with the bonus adapting pretty much any non-Nikon lenses too.

Using lenses to non native cameras is a pain in the backside. Too many compromises and I have tried it. I looked at the Sony.A7. The system is far too immature compared to DSLR's at the moment and no OVF which for me is a deal breaker.

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Rservello wrote:

scokill wrote:

You don't have to defend the d600 on every post....

I don't appreciate misinformation.

The Df is better than the d600/d610 at high ISO.  Just a fact.  You can quantify, but it's true.  At 6400 it's significant, and 12,800 they are leagues apart.  I really haven't seen any misinformation..perhaps different opinions and preference.

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Re: What are advantages of Df over D600/D610

scokill wrote:

Rservello wrote:

scokill wrote:

You don't have to defend the d600 on every post....

I don't appreciate misinformation.

The Df is better than the d600/d610 at high ISO. Just a fact. You can quantify, but it's true. At 6400 it's significant, and 12,800 they are leagues apart. I really haven't seen any misinformation..perhaps different opinions and preference.

at 6400 and 12,800 all cameras results are spotty at best.  I would LOVE to see a useable example at 12,800.

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