Surprise: Olympus E-M1 uses a Panasonic sensor!

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Surprise: Olympus E-M1 uses a Panasonic sensor!
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David Kieltyka
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Re: Surprise: Olympus E-M1 uses a Panasonic sensor!
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Oh no! When I thought the E-M1 used a Sony sensor I loved its image quality. Now I'm gonna have to learn to hate it!

[sarcasm mode off]

-Dave-

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Ontario Gone
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David Kieltyka wrote:

Oh no! When I thought the E-M1 used a Sony sensor I loved its image quality. Now I'm gonna have to learn to hate it!

[sarcasm mode off]

-Dave-

All kidding aside, there are many people who love to love sony sensors, and now they will have to give credit to another sensor maker. I guess with all the praise given to the EM1 IQ, it just goes to show how well Panny can make sensors too.

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SHood Veteran Member • Posts: 4,589
4k video according to sensor specs

The specs on Panasonic's site suggests it support 4k video.

http://www.semicon.panasonic.co.jp/en/products/detail/?cat=CGF7000&part=MN34230

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JeanLucX Junior Member • Posts: 47
Re: Surprise: Olympus E-M1 uses a Panasonic sensor!
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mlaprise wrote:

Interesting...

http://www.43rumors.com/surprise-olympus-e-m1-uses-a-panasonic-sensor/

OMG! Thanks for exposing that! My E-M1 is still within the return window and It is going back to Olympus next Monday. There is no way in hell i would pay 1400 for a Panasonic sensor camera.

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Alexis D Regular Member • Posts: 415
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So, that's why the E-M1 is so un-interesting in terms of IQ, even without an AA filter. It is a great camera, but only because of all the other features, not IQ.

Richie S Regular Member • Posts: 496
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It may well explain the lack of video features on the EM1.

Kim Letkeman
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a little long on bias it would seem ...
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Alexis D wrote:

So, that's why the E-M1 is so un-interesting in terms of IQ, even without an AA filter. It is a great camera, but only because of all the other features, not IQ.

Sigh ... if you want an objective measure of the EM5 against the EM1 and, say, the GX7 as the latest Panny high end sensor, then check out DXOMark ...

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GX7-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5___909_901_793

What you will find is that in every category, they are all tied, or the EM1 leads. But the overall difference, as has been true for a long time in m4/3, is marginal. The EM1 leads by .3 to .4 stops, which is basically trivial ...

Whatever it is you base your "IQ" comments on, I suspect that they are rather long on bias and short on critical analysis ...

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Kim Letkeman
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Re: Surprise: Olympus E-M1 uses a Panasonic sensor!

Richie S wrote:

It may well explain the lack of video features on the EM1.

What may? Beside the fact that Olympus simply is not a video oriented company I mean?

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Richie S Regular Member • Posts: 496
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I would assume there are some conditions to this deal to secure the sensor which may well have included certain things like limiting the video options. Panasonic is clearly trying to stake out the video market And Olympus is barely even trying to compete in that market.

in a camera absolutely packed with features and options like the EM1 is do you not find it strange that they only appear to have made the minimal effort for video. Is there any company in the world that would just leave cash on the table like that, for absolutely no reason?

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Re: Surprise: Olympus E-M1 uses a Panasonic sensor!

Richie S wrote:

I would assume there are some conditions to this deal to secure the sensor which may well have included certain things like limiting the video options. Panasonic is clearly trying to stake out the video market And Olympus is barely even trying to compete in that market.

in a camera absolutely packed with features and options like the EM1 is do you not find it strange that they only appear to have made the minimal effort for video. Is there any company in the world that would just leave cash on the table like that, for absolutely no reason?

Yes, look at Fuji, almost no controls for video.

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cainn24 Senior Member • Posts: 4,890
I like Olympus AND Panasonic. It's all m43 goodness to me...
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...and I think it's kinda silly to artificially partition off the ecosystem to the point where it even matters who made what component, whether it be a body, a lens or a sensor.

There's like 3 threads on the first page about this now. Get a grip people, and enjoy a system which has been a cooperative enterprise from the very beginning.

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Would have been an even nicer surprise...
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If the sensor was bigger :o

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Chipworks also says the E-M5 uses a Sony sensor indeed. So I guess we can all agree that currently there is not much difference between the various 43rd 16mp sensors.

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Re: a little long on bias it would seem ...
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Kim Letkeman wrote:

Alexis D wrote:

So, that's why the E-M1 is so un-interesting in terms of IQ, even without an AA filter. It is a great camera, but only because of all the other features, not IQ.

Sigh ... if you want an objective measure of the EM5 against the EM1 and, say, the GX7 as the latest Panny high end sensor, then check out DXOMark ...

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GX7-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5___909_901_793

What you will find is that in every category, they are all tied, or the EM1 leads. But the overall difference, as has been true for a long time in m4/3, is marginal. The EM1 leads by .3 to .4 stops, which is basically trivial ...

Whatever it is you base your "IQ" comments on, I suspect that they are rather long on bias and short on critical analysis ...

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On what do you base your suspicion on? DXO scores?

My IQ comments are based on well published material. Read some reviews and know that the E-M1 is not better than the E-M5, which is about the same as the E-PM2, E-PL5, E-P5, and GX7. Any improvement in E-M1's IQ is trivial at best, and in some cases, not really improvement but rather deterioration, but again trivial. There are numerous reviews already and they all say the same thing, that there is little improvement in IQ in the E-M1, which is what I said.  How is that long on bias?

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Re: a little long on bias it would seem ...
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Alexis D wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Alexis D wrote:

So, that's why the E-M1 is so un-interesting in terms of IQ, even without an AA filter. It is a great camera, but only because of all the other features, not IQ.

Sigh ... if you want an objective measure of the EM5 against the EM1 and, say, the GX7 as the latest Panny high end sensor, then check out DXOMark ...

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GX7-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5___909_901_793

What you will find is that in every category, they are all tied, or the EM1 leads. But the overall difference, as has been true for a long time in m4/3, is marginal. The EM1 leads by .3 to .4 stops, which is basically trivial ...

Whatever it is you base your "IQ" comments on, I suspect that they are rather long on bias and short on critical analysis ...

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On what do you base your suspicion on? DXO scores?

My IQ comments are based on well published material. Read some reviews and know that the E-M1 is not better than the E-M5, which is about the same as the E-PM2, E-PL5, E-P5, and GX7. Any improvement in E-M1's IQ is trivial at best, and in some cases, not really improvement but rather deterioration, but again trivial. There are numerous reviews already and they all say the same thing, that there is little improvement in IQ in the E-M1, which is what I said.  How is that long on bias?

So now we know that the M1 has a Panasonic sensor and not a Sony one, it now becomes an undesirable camera to own.

Interesting .

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Alexis D Regular Member • Posts: 415
Re: a little long on bias it would seem ...

NCV wrote:

Alexis D wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Alexis D wrote:

So, that's why the E-M1 is so un-interesting in terms of IQ, even without an AA filter. It is a great camera, but only because of all the other features, not IQ.

Sigh ... if you want an objective measure of the EM5 against the EM1 and, say, the GX7 as the latest Panny high end sensor, then check out DXOMark ...

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GX7-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5___909_901_793

What you will find is that in every category, they are all tied, or the EM1 leads. But the overall difference, as has been true for a long time in m4/3, is marginal. The EM1 leads by .3 to .4 stops, which is basically trivial ...

Whatever it is you base your "IQ" comments on, I suspect that they are rather long on bias and short on critical analysis ...

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On what do you base your suspicion on? DXO scores?

My IQ comments are based on well published material. Read some reviews and know that the E-M1 is not better than the E-M5, which is about the same as the E-PM2, E-PL5, E-P5, and GX7. Any improvement in E-M1's IQ is trivial at best, and in some cases, not really improvement but rather deterioration, but again trivial. There are numerous reviews already and they all say the same thing, that there is little improvement in IQ in the E-M1, which is what I said. How is that long on bias?

So now we know that the M1 has a Panasonic sensor and not a Sony one, it now becomes an undesirable camera to own.

Who said that?

Interesting .

93tracker Forum Member • Posts: 76
Re: Would have been an even nicer surprise...

So I'll assume the EM10 has a Sony sensor also? Whatever it has it takes very good pics!

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Its RKM Veteran Member • Posts: 3,001
Re: 4k video according to sensor specs

SHood wrote:

The specs on Panasonic's site suggests it support 4k video.

http://www.semicon.panasonic.co.jp/en/products/detail/?cat=CGF7000&part=MN34230

and high speed video at 240 and 481fps!

http://www.semicon.panasonic.co.jp/ds8/c3/IS00006AE.pdf

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gnewsch wrote:

Chipworks also says the E-M5 uses a Sony sensor indeed. So I guess we can all agree that currently there is not much difference between the various 43rd 16mp sensors.

There is a big difference between the old 16mp panasonic sensors and the newer sony and panasonic sensor. The difference between the em-5(sony) and gx7(new pana) is insignificant.

The panasonic

G3 GX1 and gf6 use an old cheaper version(only video output is worse) as the gh2.

Gh2 g5 g6 use the larger 18mp multi aspect. But the multi aspect function is unfortunately disabled in the g models.

These sensors have significant less dynamic range at base iso as the new models. Also about an stop lower sensitivity. So ISO 1600 on the gx7 will look about as good as ISO 800 on the g6.

That is a significant difference that closes the gap to most Apsc based camera's. Apsc does still have an resolution advantage since you get similar dynamic range and ISO performance at 24mp.

Or you will get better ISO performance if you choose fujifilm.

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