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Sp-100 24-1200mm with Red Dot site built in.

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Sp-100 24-1200mm with Red Dot site built in.

I am surprised no one has mentioned this camera yet. I started a thread in the Panasonic Forum, because there are lots of birders and zoom users over there, but I see these bird shots with the Stylus 1 and thought there maybe an interest in this camera over here as well.

What do you guys think?

http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/new/sp-100.html

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Re: Sp-100 24-1200mm with Red Dot site built in.

This new cam looks very interesting especially at its only $399 price. What I like is seeing a better resolution 900,000 EVF included with such a camera and wish Pany would follow suit with their small cams with EVFs. I would rather the lens focal length be restricted to 800mm with faster end lens speed to keep the camera smaller as anything beyond pretty much needs to be on a tripod or stable object even if it has OIS. This makes a nice alternative to the faster smaller sized Stylus 1. I wonder what the maximum focal length is at F5.6 with better AF speeds. Is this the same lens as the previous model and what of its optical performance?

Hatstand Senior Member • Posts: 1,623
Superzoom with built-in RDS is a great idea

I applaud Olympus for recognising the benefits of a Red Dot Sight to photographers, and being the first to make a camera with one built-in.

Why I love Red Dot Sights
They are incredibly useful for action photography, they allow photographers to instantly put subjects into the frame/viewfinder, no matter what level of zoom they happen to be at. They have long been used by savvy bird-in-flight photographers, who are oft heard to say "I couldn't have gotten that shot without the RDS". And when they were brought to my attention, it was a key factor in finally discarding my DSLR's in favour of superzooms.

Up until then, although a superzoom had emerged that could match my DSLR's for speed of operation, AF speed, burst/continuous, IS etc... and gave IQ that was "good enough" for my purposes... I still clung to my DSLR's for airshows, due to EVF's being either too low-rez, or too slow to be practical (at that time). A red dot sight was the final piece of the puzzle for me.

The sight has no magnification, and once alignment is set, the red dot in the special see-through mirror... always appears over the spot your camera is pointing at. Even if you bob your head around.

Thus, it freed me from the cycle of "zoom out to hunt/acquire subject" and "zoom back in to take the photo". That's a cycle which is particularly painful for superzooms, due to their huge ranges of focal lengths, and usually a motorised zoom too.

And with a suitable change to my shooting technique, it also let me watch airshows with both eyes and a virtually full "normal" field of view, while still taking photos - much more enjoyable. (I hold the camera out, strap taut against the back of my neck to make a "tension tripod" for stability, track or pan with the planes using the the RDS as my viewfinder, with just glances at the rear screen to check zoom/framing).

I also find it helps my panning technique at airshows, and since I have a full field of view - it makes catching aeroplane "crossovers", and planes passing interesting background scenery, cloud formations, moon etc... so easy it feels like cheating!

The SP-100's Red Dot Sight
As a long-time RDS user, I am not sure about Olympus' implementation. Feeding off the camera's battery would be convenient, as would instant access, easy alignment, and freedom from the problems of mounting a 3rd-party RDS.

But I favour a sight that has a large mirror in a thin frame, for the best possible field of view. Not sure how big the sight mirror is on the SP-100... but I'm definitely not impressed with the amount of "stuff" around it.

I'd also want to know what choice of reticles are available, since preferences vary (I favour "dot in a circle")... whether the reticle brightness can be varied to suit ambient light... whether the reticle colour can be changed... and how well the sight keeps its alignment between uses.

I'm also not sure there's much else to attract people to the SP-100... given they could choose any superzoom they like (that has a flash hotshoe), and add their own RDS instead...

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Re: Sp-100 24-1200mm with Red Dot site built in.
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f6.5 on the long end is very slow...wouldn't work for where I shoot birds....

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S1 5-axis sensor IS versus SP100 in-lens IS
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I do like the IS in my SH-50. It demonstrates that focussing precision and speed very much depend on the IS, particularly at the far end. To my knowledge, lens IS has not been used since the Minolta cameras had it.

My SZ-30MR trips me up with the video start/stop button being on top of the display button. On the SP100 these two are side by side - will that be enough to stop me from hitting the wrong one?

The gun sight is something I thought of but never got round to making.

I do hope that Olympus does NOT use the SP-570UZ firmware as a base to build on. There are too many features shutting each other out. I am worrying because the SP100 layout reminds me of my SP-570UZ - same design team?

There is no mention of HD720P video for the SP100. My laptop is too slow to render HD1080P, my TV only does HD720p, New Zealand TV has standardised on HD720p, and our broadband streaming stutters, stops and/or pixellates with HD1080P.

My SH-50 does 120 fps at HD720p - and I am using it. So why go back to VGA for 120 fps? Are they using up discontinued bits like they appear to be doing in the Stylus 1?

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Aaron Sur Senior Member • Posts: 1,295
Re: S1 5-axis sensor IS versus SP100 in-lens IS

Hi Henry,

I never considered it that way , but the lens cap, evf etc on the Stylus 1, you could be onto something here.

Aaron

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Re: S1 5-axis sensor IS versus SP100 in-lens IS

This both announcements today are very irresistable.

Seems like Olympus continues 1/2,3" sensors on its P&S range. I was estimating that 1/1,7" would dominate. Seems like, further the range goes, smaller the sensor gets.

In both product (new OM-D and SP ) there are step downs on IS issues and some video features... Well. its their strategy, time will show will it work or not.

Personally I liked the outlook of this new SP superzoom cam. It looks more serious than new OM-D.

Ben

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Aaron Sur Senior Member • Posts: 1,295
Re: S1 5-axis sensor IS versus SP100 in-lens IS

Hi Ben,

Olympus is trying to up its sales here , I almost fell over last night was flicking through tv channels and the shopping channel was flogging OMD EM-5 twin lens kits . Wait for it you get a small Samsonite suitcase with it as the bonus prize. It was better than watching a comedy show watching these guys trying to sell the camera."Look the screen on the back is just like your iphone you can touch it"   )

Good news is that you might be able to pick up a 16MP model for the right price soon, there is going to be such a glut on the market. There are still some epl-3 here for around $250 with the 14-42lens.

cheers

Aaron

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Re: S1 5-axis sensor IS versus SP100 in-lens IS

Aaron Sur wrote:

Hi Ben,

Olympus is trying to up its sales here , I almost fell over last night was flicking through tv channels and the shopping channel was flogging OMD EM-5 twin lens kits . Wait for it you get a small Samsonite suitcase with it as the bonus prize. It was better than watching a comedy show watching these guys trying to sell the camera."Look the screen on the back is just like your iphone you can touch it" )

Good news is that you might be able to pick up a 16MP model for the right price soon, there is going to be such a glut on the market. There are still some epl-3 here for around $250 with the 14-42lens.

cheers

Aaron

Hello Aaron,

Well seems, Olympus tries to collect the euro-zone countries cash nowadays! Anywehere else it goes cheaper than Euro prices.

It must be very entertaining to watch a "has no idea!" salesman , tries to sell its "thing" ... Maybe you should tease tham by such a conversation.

- hi..

- shopping channel, how could I help you?

- well... thanks I am just looking !

That would be a fair revenge for "touch screen" centered sales dudez I am getting agree with you. Camera & lens salesmen, should be more specialised.

Regards.

Ben

ps: seems like I will keep my interest more on lenses, instead of bodies in next 2 years. Seriously, noone does not offer higher than 16mpx (while my 1/2.5" Nokia´s cameras sensor offers 20 mpx   apart from joke, wish to see some more resolution.)

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Re: S1 5-axis sensor IS versus SP100 in-lens IS

As sensors get better and better the logic is to use smaller ones as they match the performance of earlier generation larger sensors.

Ben O Connor wrote:

This both announcements today are very irresistable.

Seems like Olympus continues 1/2,3" sensors on its P&S range. I was estimating that 1/1,7" would dominate. Seems like, further the range goes, smaller the sensor gets.

In both product (new OM-D and SP ) there are step downs on IS issues and some video features... Well. its their strategy, time will show will it work or not.

Personally I liked the outlook of this new SP superzoom cam. It looks more serious than new OM-D.

Ben

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Re: Sp-100 24-1200mm with Red Dot site built in.

It looks the business but apart from the red dot sight seems yet another cheap and cheerful high pixel megazoom like the LZ40 which has not exactly set the Panasonic forum alight.

phazelag wrote:

I am surprised no one has mentioned this camera yet. I started a thread in the Panasonic Forum, because there are lots of birders and zoom users over there, but I see these bird shots with the Stylus 1 and thought there maybe an interest in this camera over here as well.

What do you guys think?

http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/new/sp-100.html

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Re: Sp-100 24-1200mm with Red Dot site built in.

Greynerd wrote:

It looks the business but apart from the red dot sight seems yet another cheap and cheerful high pixel megazoom like the LZ40 which has not exactly set the Panasonic forum alight.

phazelag wrote:

I am surprised no one has mentioned this camera yet. I started a thread in the Panasonic Forum, because there are lots of birders and zoom users over there, but I see these bird shots with the Stylus 1 and thought there maybe an interest in this camera over here as well.

What do you guys think?

http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/new/sp-100.html

I agree,

I just bought the FZ200 and I have a red/green dot site on it, but I chose it for the Image Quality which seems to be better with less MegaPixels and the shorter faster lens, but It would be cool if a camera with more reach and more megapixels could match the quality of the FZ200.

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Recommend a red dot sight for existing camera?

Hatstand or anyone, can you suggest a red dot sight that fits a hotshoe or can be adapted for one? I looked on B&H and Amazon and saw a lot of them, but they all seem to be designed to be mounted on a rifle, not a camera.

I actually pre-ordered the SP-100 as soon as I saw this feature, but if I can attach an RDS to my E-P5 that would be even better.

Thanks!

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Re: Recommend a red dot sight for existing camera?

Michael Geary wrote:

Hatstand or anyone, can you suggest a red dot sight that fits a hotshoe or can be adapted for one? I looked on B&H and Amazon and saw a lot of them, but they all seem to be designed to be mounted on a rifle, not a camera.

I actually pre-ordered the SP-100 as soon as I saw this feature, but if I can attach an RDS to my E-P5 that would be even better.

Thanks!

I  bought this one and its great.  Occasionally gets bumped out of alignment, but I just tap it back with my finger.

http://gadget.brando.com/wildlife-photography-with-tactical-four-reticle-sight_p01341c73d3.html

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Re: Recommend a red dot sight for existing camera?

Michael Geary wrote:

Hatstand or anyone, can you suggest a red dot sight that fits a hotshoe or can be adapted for one? I looked on B&H and Amazon and saw a lot of them, but they all seem to be designed to be mounted on a rifle, not a camera.

I actually pre-ordered the SP-100 as soon as I saw this feature, but if I can attach an RDS to my E-P5 that would be even better.

Thanks!

The Sight:
Red dot sights are also known as "tactical gunsights", and they are all designed for guns. The one in the Olympus SP-100 is the first and only one I've ever heard of, that was specifically designed for a camera.

They are readily available, you can buy a sight online from places like amazon, as well as airgun or gun shops. They have standard mountings for gun rails.

I recommend one with a large mirror, a thin frame around the mirror, an "open" design (not tube), switchable brightness, and selectable reticles. The one I use came from gadget.brando (ie. Hong Kong), but the same design is available practically anywhere.

eg. >> This << looks just like mine

Panasonic FZ200, with RDS on photosolve Xtend-a-sight mounting, and Canon TC-DC58A teleconverter

I note that on the one I received from gadget.brando - the alignment screws did not work, due to poor assembly. I had to dismantle and reassemble it - after that it was fine.

The Mounting:
The trick is finding a "standard mounting rail" to put the RDS on, that's designed to fit in a camera's hotshoe. There are only two that I know of. One is rubbish (gadget.brando), and the other is Photosolve's "Xtend-a-sight Plus".

Hotshoes are not all exactly the same size, so the Xtend-a-sight is made to fit the biggest possible hotshoe. This means it might be too big for your camera's hotshoe. In which case... for a good, tight, stable, "repeatable" fit... you would need to (carefully and slowly!) grind one edge of its hotshoe plate, until it just barely fits into your particular camera's hotshoe.

Once I've aligned a sight mounted on the Xtend-a-sight (parallel to the lens axis)... I have never had to re-align it, no matter how many times I put it on the camera and remove it.

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Re: Recommend a red dot sight for existing camera?

Hatstand wrote:

Michael Geary wrote:

Hatstand or anyone, can you suggest a red dot sight that fits a hotshoe or can be adapted for one? I looked on B&H and Amazon and saw a lot of them, but they all seem to be designed to be mounted on a rifle, not a camera.

I actually pre-ordered the SP-100 as soon as I saw this feature, but if I can attach an RDS to my E-P5 that would be even better.

Thanks!

The Sight:
Red dot sights are also known as "tactical gunsights", and they are all designed for guns. The one in the Olympus SP-100 is the first and only one I've ever heard of, that was specifically designed for a camera.

They are readily available, you can buy a sight online from places like amazon, as well as airgun or gun shops. They have standard mountings for gun rails.

I recommend one with a large mirror, a thin frame around the mirror, an "open" design (not tube), switchable brightness, and selectable reticles. The one I use came from gadget.brando (ie. Hong Kong), but the same design is available practically anywhere.

eg. >> This << looks just like mine

Panasonic FZ200, with RDS on photosolve Xtend-a-sight mounting, and Canon TC-DC58A teleconverter

I note that on the one I received from gadget.brando - the alignment screws did not work, due to poor assembly. I had to dismantle and reassemble it - after that it was fine.

The Mounting:
The trick is finding a "standard mounting rail" to put the RDS on, that's designed to fit in a camera's hotshoe. There are only two that I know of. One is rubbish (gadget.brando), and the other is Photosolve's "Xtend-a-sight Plus".

Hotshoes are not all exactly the same size, so the Xtend-a-sight is made to fit the biggest possible hotshoe. This means it might be too big for your camera's hotshoe. In which case... for a good, tight, stable, "repeatable" fit... you would need to (carefully and slowly!) grind one edge of its hotshoe plate, until it just barely fits into your particular camera's hotshoe.

Once I've aligned a sight mounted on the Xtend-a-sight (parallel to the lens axis)... I have never had to re-align it, no matter how many times I put it on the camera and remove it.

I will probably order that Xtend a sight to mount my site better.  But what handle do you have attached to your extender tube?

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phazelag wrote:

I will probably order that Xtend a sight to mount my site better. But what handle do you have attached to your extender tube?

Cheap plastic copy of a Canon Ring D tripod mount (lined with furry velcro because it's slightly too big for the FZ200's LA7 tube)... with a cheap pistol grip

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Re: Recommend a red dot sight for existing camera?

phazelag wrote:

I will probably order that Xtend a sight to mount my site better. But what handle do you have attached to your extender tube?

Cheap plastic copy of a Canon Ring D tripod mount (lined with furry velcro because it's slightly too big for the FZ200's LA7 tube)... with a cheap pistol grip

Do you find it really useful? I just got the nikon ED15 telecon, I hear its light weight.
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Re: Recommend a red dot sight for existing camera?

Hatstand and Scott, thanks very much for the tips!

I canceled my SP-100 order and ordered the Xtend-a-Sight Plus and one of the red dot sights from Amazon. It looks like the same one you have is available under various names - a search on Amazon.com for "red dot sight" found several.

Can't wait to try it out, thanks!

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phazelag wrote:

Do you find it really useful? I just got the nikon ED15 telecon, I hear its light weight.

Yes, it's very useful...

The Canon TC-DC58A teleconverter is quite heavy compared to a TCON-17 or LT55 (don't know about the Nikons), and the pistol grip is under the balance point of the camera + TC. Given my technique with that setup (I described in an earlier post), it helps a lot with handling and stability.

By the way, I favour the TC-DC58A teleconverter because it's comparable optical quality to the Nikons, but a bit easier to find (therefore cheaper)... and because it allows a lot more wide angle before vignetting, than other TC's. I only need it for airshows, and the improved wide-angle lets me shoot planes taxiing close by, as well as the more distant flying displays.

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