Oly 25mm 1.8 available for pre-order on Amazon

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mh2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,776
just because you say so...

petersolymosi wrote:

You're not in the minority. The PL25 is my go-to lens and almost always mounted on my E-PL5. It is not heavy or large by any means.

Pete

Go to a Canon board and you'll find plenty of people who will tell you that the 5D is not large or heavy either.

Compared to the P14, the P25 is quite big.

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FrankS009
FrankS009 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,112
Sigma 30mm instead?

If looking for a good inexpensive normal prime, I wonder if a Sigma 30 might not be a better buy than the Olympus 25mm. Yes the Sigma is slower. And the corners are not as consistently sharp, but the Sigma is quite a lot sharper in the centre. The Sigma weights almost exactly the same as the Olympus, and costs a bit more than half as much.

F.

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mh2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,776
comparing prices

apierleoni wrote:

ntsan wrote:

Well if you have Oly body it is no brainer to choose Oly 25mm 1.8 over Leica 1.4 because:

2. the rattle noise

really?

you are trowing away panaleica imagequality and fast aperture for the rattle noise?

come on...

reviews are already out, and looking at MTF charts at best it is equal, but still slower and at similar price.

I will keep my panaleica for a very very very long time, and if I want something better/different I'd go for the voigtlander f.95, not the olympus one.

You know you are comparing introduction price to the current reduced prices of the P/L, right. The P/L lists for $699 or something -- it came down from that. The Oly will come down in few monthgs for those that can wait.

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mh2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,776
Re: Oly 25mm 1.8 available for pre-order on Amazon

Lux Painter wrote:

No chance in hell that I'd pay $400/€400 for a 50mm f1.8 lens.

I think you are putting it in the class of 5-bladed bargain 35mm lens catagory. I think the Oly 25 will still be a premium lens. For common 35mm you went for the f1.4 version not so much for the (minor) boost in speed, but for a higher quality lens. f1.8 isn't the only thing that made them bargain lenses. On the other hand, a Leica 50/2 cost more than $1000 because it was offered as a quality lens, not a bargain lens. Other than the speed difference, arguments between which is better, the Summicron or Summilux could never be decided.

I wanted a pancake. I would have spent $299 on a 25/2.8 had Oly gone that route... so by your logic, that would have been even more crazy!

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Marty4650
Marty4650 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,543
For the record....
  • Panasonic 25mm f/1.4 - 63mm diameter, 55mm long, 200 grams, 46mm filter, $529
  • Olympus 25mm f/1.8  -- 56mm diameter, 41mm long. 136 grams, 46mm filter, $399

The Panasonic is obviously faster, and probably a better constructed lens. It might even be better optically. We won't know until we see a few professional reviews.

The Olympus is obviously smaller, lighter and cheaper.

I think we have two very nice lenses here, which should provide good options for M4/3 users. I'd be happy with either one.

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Michael Kaufman
Michael Kaufman Senior Member • Posts: 2,690
Re: comparing prices

mh2000 wrote:

You know you are comparing introduction price to the current reduced prices of the P/L, right. The P/L lists for $699 or something -- it came down from that. The Oly will come down in few monthgs for those that can wait.

I think he's comparing the price now for one of the lenses to the price now of the other lens. For someone looking to buy a lens now, that seems like a reasonable comparison.

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Art_P
Art_P Veteran Member • Posts: 9,875
Actually, more like $200 difference

if you look at list price.

But you're looking at street price of a lens that has been out for years vs. list price of a lens not yet on the shelves.  Those who are patient can probably pick up the Oly on sale at $50 or more discount.

While I'm slightly interested in this lens, I don't shoot much in the 20-30mm range, so it's not a high priority.  The 12-40 on the other hand is much more tempting (except for the price and size)

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mh2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,776
Re: Sigma 30mm instead?

FrankS009 wrote:

If looking for a good inexpensive normal prime, I wonder if a Sigma 30 might not be a better buy than the Olympus 25mm. Yes the Sigma is slower. And the corners are not as consistently sharp, but the Sigma is quite a lot sharper in the centre. The Sigma weights almost exactly the same as the Olympus, and costs a bit more than half as much.

F.

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Yup, the Sigma 30 is a great cheap lens. That is why I'm not considering the 25/1.8 at this time. I still don't like the size that much, but...

My new dream is that Panasonic will make a little 25/2.8 pancake for the GM1... it could happen! 

Until then, I'll shoot the Sigma.

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mh2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,776
Re: comparing prices

Michael Kaufman wrote:

mh2000 wrote:

You know you are comparing introduction price to the current reduced prices of the P/L, right. The P/L lists for $699 or something -- it came down from that. The Oly will come down in few monthgs for those that can wait.

I think he's comparing the price now for one of the lenses to the price now of the other lens. For someone looking to buy a lens now, that seems like a reasonable comparison.

That would make a little more sense if you could actually buy the Oly *now* instead of just preordering one for list price!

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mh2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,776
Re: For the record....

Marty4650 wrote:

  • Panasonic 25mm f/1.4 - 63mm diameter, 55mm long, 200 grams, 46mm filter, $529
  • Olympus 25mm f/1.8  -- 56mm diameter, 41mm long. 136 grams, 46mm filter, $399

The Panasonic is obviously faster, and probably a better constructed lens. It might even be better optically. We won't know until we see a few professional reviews.

The Olympus is obviously smaller, lighter and cheaper.

I think we have two very nice lenses here, which should provide good options for M4/3 users. I'd be happy with either one.

Yup, two really nice options! (Not bashing either, in case it came off that way.)

After playing with my friend's 25/1.4, I decided it was too big and heavy for my m43 wants, especially for the price. The 25/1.8 will be nicer with respect to size, weight and price, but I still really wanted a little pancake.

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G1Houston Senior Member • Posts: 2,583
Re: Sigma 30mm instead?

mh2000 wrote:

FrankS009 wrote:

If looking for a good inexpensive normal prime, I wonder if a Sigma 30 might not be a better buy than the Olympus 25mm. Yes the Sigma is slower. And the corners are not as consistently sharp, but the Sigma is quite a lot sharper in the centre. The Sigma weights almost exactly the same as the Olympus, and costs a bit more than half as much.

Yup, the Sigma 30 is a great cheap lens. That is why I'm not considering the 25/1.8 at this time. I still don't like the size that much, but...

As a "walk about" lens, 30 mm is a bit too long on the m4/3 format.  Working distance is also a problem if you want to use it indoors with tight space.

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mh2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,776
Re: Sigma 30mm instead?

G1Houston wrote:

mh2000 wrote:

FrankS009 wrote:

If looking for a good inexpensive normal prime, I wonder if a Sigma 30 might not be a better buy than the Olympus 25mm. Yes the Sigma is slower. And the corners are not as consistently sharp, but the Sigma is quite a lot sharper in the centre. The Sigma weights almost exactly the same as the Olympus, and costs a bit more than half as much.

Yup, the Sigma 30 is a great cheap lens. That is why I'm not considering the 25/1.8 at this time. I still don't like the size that much, but...

As a "walk about" lens, 30 mm is a bit too long on the m4/3 format.  Working distance is also a problem if you want to use it indoors with tight space.

This is what I thought when it was first released, but after being lured into buying one on a whim for $150 I've completley changed my mind. For what I'm shooting now, the FL is turning out to be very ideal for most of my subject matter, including landscapes.

I also have the Oly 17/2.8 for wider and am happy with the performance at f5.6, where I try to shoot it, and the P14, but I find that I am using the 30 almost exclusively. (I have the problems you describe when shooting my 45, but I've justified that as being a special purpose lens for me, so I keep it.)

The thing I learned about equipment is that sometimes you just have to jump in and try something to see if it really works in practice for you

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G1Houston Senior Member • Posts: 2,583
Re: Sigma 30mm instead?

mh2000 wrote:

The thing I learned about equipment is that sometimes you just have to jump in and try something to see if it really works in practice for you

May be.  In the old days, we bought a camera with a kit of three prime lenses, wide, normal, and short tele.  This teaches us what a given focal length lens is for.  This may be lost nowadays when most start out with a zoom lens.

When a single prime is typically used as a "walk about," it means that you can, well sort of, zoom with your feet.  However as the focal length increases, you will quickly run out space to walk in tight space.  This is why FF eq of 35-50mm is most commonly used as a walk about.  40mm-ish focal length is also considered to be the closest to human field of view.  However, if you mostly use the lens outdoors, then you will run into this problem less.  By all means, if the 30mm Sigma is cheap and good, go for it.

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mh2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,776
Re: Sigma 30mm instead?

G1Houston wrote:

mh2000 wrote:

The thing I learned about equipment is that sometimes you just have to jump in and try something to see if it really works in practice for you

May be.  In the old days, we bought a camera with a kit of three prime lenses, wide, normal, and short tele.  This teaches us what a given focal length lens is for.  This may be lost nowadays when most start out with a zoom lens.

When a single prime is typically used as a "walk about," it means that you can, well sort of, zoom with your feet.  However as the focal length increases, you will quickly run out space to walk in tight space.  This is why FF eq of 35-50mm is most commonly used as a walk about.  40mm-ish focal length is also considered to be the closest to human field of view.  However, if you mostly use the lens outdoors, then you will run into this problem less.  By all means, if the 30mm Sigma is cheap and good, go for it.

Yup, I started with the film and a 35, 50 and 90. I always thought of myself as a "50 guy." That's why I was leary of the 30mm FL for m43... until I got it and started using it.

Robert Capa said, “If your pictures aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough.”

The slightly longer FL of 30mm vs. 25mm has kind of made my photos a little "closer."

I couldn't foresee this had I not just jumped in and tried the lens.

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