X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?

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dbelling Regular Member • Posts: 128
Re: X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?

One item that I do not believe has been mentioned is that the EM1 has EVF auto luminance, and as far as I can tell the X-T1 does not. This setting may not be that important to a lot of people, but it is vital to me. I have a very serious eye problem and I thought that I may have to give up photography until I discovered that the EM1 and the Stylus 1 (and I am hopeful that the EM100 as well) has auto luminance. EVF's were always too dark when I was outside in sunlight. When I ventured outside with my Sony a65 ( which supposedly has an excellent EVF) I could only see vague dark images. On the other hand, when I took a Stylus 1 outside I was shocked at how bright everything was, and the EM1 is supposed to be much better. EVF auto luminance has allowed me to get back into photography, so I doubt that I will buy another camera without it. That alone excludes the XT-1 for me, although I am sure that it is a very good camera in other repeats.

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This new Fuji is of the same ilk as the E-M1.  More similarities than differences. Hold both in your hands and get the one that pleases you and fits the lenses you want. Be happy you can afford and enjoy a cutting edge camera, but know that in 12 months something else just as sexy will come out to fawn over.

They are both pretty expensive, but the dev. cycle is fast, so I'm looking forward to their replacements to drive down prices. And for me, the E-M1 fits my 4/3rds lenses.

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Sergey Borachev Veteran Member • Posts: 3,759
Re: size/weight is what counts with m4/3
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Red G8R wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am always rather surprised that there are people who can't see what is the main, defining quality of m4/3: size/weight of the system (bodies & lenses). The Fuji (or Sony A7 or whatever) seems to be really cool and I can certainly see the attraction. If you don't care about size/weight then why even consider m4/3? Get a FF or APS-C system with larger lenses and don't feel bad that you didn't get m4/3. With m4/3 you get smaller size, lighter weight, quite a good selection of lenses and bodies, and results that are quite good. No one said m4/3 is going to save you money or be better than something else. I repeat:

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I disagree with Henry. Many people who do not care about the difference in size/weight between M43 and APS-C will care about these other reasons for choosing M43:

- really effective IBIS

- really good video

- an excellent lens line-up

- an excellent selection of bodies to choose from for backup, different applications, or whatever (from a tiny GM1,various body shapes, to cameras with top specs, video performance)

- and until now, the best EVF, and weatherproofing.

No, it is not only about size/weight.

I guess you haven't seen this.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images/sbs-e-m1.jpg

sorry I couldn't insert the image directly.

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Here, I have inserted the image for you, but I disagree with what you are trying to show with your size comparison image. The size comparison is not right. The Olympus lens is a weatherproof 24-80mm lens with constant f/2.8 max aperture. The Fuji lens is just 28-83mm f/2.8-4, a huge difference. The difference in size and weight will be mainly in the lenses, particularly for more special lenses, like wider, longer, faster, and other higher spec'ed lenses. Sony has already proven clearly that with its NEX cameras, you can make APS-C cameras very small, but any APS-C lens with enough quality and specs will be big if it has the same specs as an equivalent M43 lens. You end up with either ordinary APS-C lenses or big lenses. You can't cheat physics.

This E-M1 is designed, among those things, to also allow use of the big 43 lenses and is therefore bigger.  I am sure the same specs can be implemented in a smaller camera if Olympus cares, but then it starts to become less ideal for many photographers with normal size hands and who care about easy to use controls and ergonomics more than just size, especially for a PRO level camera.  So, I won't get too stressed about the size of the camera body.  Think about the size and weight for a few good lenses that you want to carry with you.

al_in_philly Regular Member • Posts: 478
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Fuji ought to have a big hit here.  It pushes most of the right buttons with its specs.  It looks like a fine piece of industrial design, unlike the ungainly E-M1.  And most importantly, there's already a decent stable of glass to go along with the new camera body.  Unless Fuji's also upgraded their autofocus, the E-M1 ought to still win that match, but the low light sensitivity of the Fuji is a serious advantage there.

If I were choosing between the two, I'd go with the Fuji unless the camera/lens size/weight was a major issue for me (which it is in my case).  Just my 2 cents.

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dennis tennis Veteran Member • Posts: 3,707
Re: X-T1 is half the camera the EP1 was, years ago

perry rhodan wrote:

What do you think of the new X-Fuji? Looks very tempting to me. Was getting ready to buy the EM1 kit, now still waiting for the final specs and test of this new X-trans miracle. Missing any TTLW-flash is not good, EVF and IQ and AF look superb.

And: no I'm not trying to troll here. Have some nice MFT's from Oly already.

Kind regards Perry

The rest of the world is just catching up to the first mFT.

Len_Gee
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Re: So many dials, what for?
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ThePalindrome wrote:

I don't understand the reason for the three top dials on this camera. It has a front and rear dial and aperture on the lens. This let's the user change all the variables already. What the reason for shutter and ISO dials on top, where it is much harder to reach them?

Useful for Old Farts, like me, who use to have film cameras with dials, not drill down menus like on many digital cameras.

Also, much easier to set exposure, and exposure comp when shooting with winter gloves on.

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Sergey Borachev Veteran Member • Posts: 3,759
Re: Way better, right now, than the A7

al_in_philly wrote:

Fuji ought to have a big hit here. It pushes most of the right buttons with its specs. It looks like a fine piece of industrial design, unlike the ungainly E-M1. And most importantly, there's already a decent stable of glass to go along with the new camera body. Unless Fuji's also upgraded their autofocus, the E-M1 ought to still win that match, but the low light sensitivity of the Fuji is a serious advantage there.

If I were choosing between the two, I'd go with the Fuji unless the camera/lens size/weight was a major issue for me (which it is in my case). Just my 2 cents.

If you do not need to use more special lenses like a constant f/2.8 zoom starting from 24mm equivalent FL, or a f/0.95 lens, or if you do not need to shoot handheld in darker places, then the smaller and lighter M43 lenses and IBIS would not then make much difference to you, and Fuji XT would be fine for you. I think many people will choose Fuji too, for the higher IQ, especially landscape or still life photographers who use tripods and/or flashes a lot.

sinkas Senior Member • Posts: 1,326
Re: X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?

It would have my attention IF it had IBIS, 1/8000, autofocus cross type sensors and the super telephoto was available sooner than 2015 - see here:-

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Re: X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?

sinkas wrote:

It would have my attention IF it had IBIS, 1/8000, autofocus cross type sensors and the super telephoto was available sooner than 2015 - see here:-

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Sorry image didn't post - here is link http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/xf_lens/roadmap/

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dbelling Regular Member • Posts: 128
Re: size/weight is what counts with m4/3

+1  I could not have said it better.

AustinB Regular Member • Posts: 380
Re: X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?
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Shirozina wrote:

perry rhodan wrote:

Game over for M43 I think esp if it doesn't have shutter shock problems. Proper retro camera with dials a plenty to play with and looks like it means business. Game over Olympus and Panasonic, game over...........

Come on, I'm a Fuji shooter and there is plenty to like about the M43 system. Every time a good camera comes out it pushes other companies to do better, which is good for all of us.

dbelling Regular Member • Posts: 128
Re: X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?

The super telephoto that you mention looks like it has a tripod mount, which probably means that it is quite large and heavy. No thanks. I went with M4/3 to get away from that.

caver3d Contributing Member • Posts: 727
Re: X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?

Shirozina wrote:

perry rhodan wrote:

What do you think of the new X-Fuji? Looks very tempting to me. Was getting ready to buy the EM1 kit, now still waiting for the final specs and test of this new X-trans miracle. Missing any TTLW-flash is not good, EVF and IQ and AF look superb.

And: no I'm not trying to troll here. Have some nice MFT's from Oly already.

Kind regards Perry

Game over for M43 I think esp if it doesn't have shutter shock problems. Proper retro camera with dials a plenty to play with and looks like it means business. Game over Olympus and Panasonic, game over...........

Just another mindless comment.  You trolls said the same thing about Oly when the Sony A7 arrived, and look what happened.   Nothing.  The Game goes on.  You lose.

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How good is the WR sealing

Noticed the reference to the flimsy ports cover which would be a major issue for serious all weather use. - that and rather limited WR lens selection ...

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And good looking too.

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ekaton Contributing Member • Posts: 768
Re: X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?

IBIS, shutter speed and touch screen of the EM-1 are reasons for me to give the nod to the Oly. Especially the touch screen I would not want to miss anymore, it`s the fastest way to move the focus point imo.

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Re: X-T1 looks mighty interesting, what do you think?

Looks good but I take m4/3 lens collection over it. Especially the coming nocticron and PL 15mm/f1.7

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Re: size/weight is what counts with m4/3

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am always rather surprised that there are people who can't see what is the main, defining quality of m4/3: size/weight of the system (bodies & lenses). The Fuji (or Sony A7 or whatever) seems to be really cool and I can certainly see the attraction. If you don't care about size/weight then why even consider m4/3? Get a FF or APS-C system with larger lenses and don't feel bad that you didn't get m4/3. With m4/3 you get smaller size, lighter weight, quite a good selection of lenses and bodies, and results that are quite good. No one said m4/3 is going to save you money or be better than something else. I repeat:

IF YOU DON'T VALUE SIZE/WEIGHT THEN YOU WILL PROBABLY BE HAPPIER WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

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Well, that's just the thing. I shoot primarily 50mm and 90mm macro. For those lens options Fuji's size and weight compares favorably. Sometimes I shoot tele zoom. The 55-200mm is bigger than the Panasonic 35-100mm, but not by a lot, and it's not much slower either, especially when you take the dof equivalency and superior ISO performance into account. Wide angle is a different story, but I don't go wider than 28mm.

Sergey Borachev Veteran Member • Posts: 3,759
Re: size/weight is what counts with m4/3

CatsAreFineArt wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

I am always rather surprised that there are people who can't see what is the main, defining quality of m4/3: size/weight of the system (bodies & lenses). The Fuji (or Sony A7 or whatever) seems to be really cool and I can certainly see the attraction. If you don't care about size/weight then why even consider m4/3? Get a FF or APS-C system with larger lenses and don't feel bad that you didn't get m4/3. With m4/3 you get smaller size, lighter weight, quite a good selection of lenses and bodies, and results that are quite good. No one said m4/3 is going to save you money or be better than something else. I repeat:

IF YOU DON'T VALUE SIZE/WEIGHT THEN YOU WILL PROBABLY BE HAPPIER WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

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Well, that's just the thing. I shoot primarily 50mm and 90mm macro. For those lens options Fuji's size and weight compares favorably. Sometimes I shoot tele zoom. The 55-200mm is bigger than the Panasonic 35-100mm, but not by a lot, and it's not much slower either, especially when you take the dof equivalency and superior ISO performance into account. Wide angle is a different story, but I don't go wider than 28mm.

Your first post!

What are you talking about???

Fuji does not seem to have any 50mm or 90mm macro lens. The Fuji 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 is not weatherproof, not a constant f/2.8 lens, and does not have the same zoom range as the Panasonic 35-100mm f/2.8. It is slower in AF, bigger and, more significantly, a lot heavier at 580g vs 360g for the Panasonic lens.  If you stick to a few primes with the most common focal lengths and speeds, and do not need weatherproofing, then the Fuji system will not be much bigger or heavier.

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Re: size/weight is what counts with m4/3
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Sergey Borachev wrote:


Here, I have inserted the image for you, but I disagree with what you are trying to show with your size comparison image. The size comparison is not right. The Olympus lens is a weatherproof 24-80mm lens with constant f/2.8 max aperture. The Fuji lens is just 28-83mm f/2.8-4, a huge difference.

Actually the Olympus is a 12~40mm f2.8 and the Fuji is an 18~55mm f2.8~4.

If you want to compare equivalents the Olympus is a 24~80mm f5.6 and the Fuji is 27~83mm f4~5.6

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