D800/e users...

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GodSpeaks wrote:

The D800(E) is not a family snapshot camera.

I missed the part where the O/P states that he wants to take snapshots of his family

If you want a snapshot camera, buy a point and shoot.

And if the O/P wants a versatile camera for more sophisticated photography and occasionally be used as a point and shoot the D800e can certainly do all of that.

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for me the e is more a studio/tripod camera.

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OP Al Downie Senior Member • Posts: 1,362
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TOF guy wrote:

GodSpeaks wrote:

If you want a snapshot camera, buy a point and shoot.

And if the O/P wants a versatile camera for more sophisticated photography and occasionally be used as a point and shoot the D800e can certainly do all of that.

Thank you for that! I didn't want to bore anyone, but I was a professional photographer for 10yrs, and have ben an enthusiastic amateur for another 25yrs since a career change into IT. My photographic interests include landscapes, portraits, wildlife, travel, and now that I have a toddler running about at home, I'd like to record his growing up too - all on the best single camera I can afford. The D800 seems like the best fit for most of my requirements, but I need to make sure it's also useful for 'snatch and grab' shots, indoors, in available light.

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Al Downie wrote:

TOF guy wrote:

GodSpeaks wrote:

If you want a snapshot camera, buy a point and shoot.

And if the O/P wants a versatile camera for more sophisticated photography and occasionally be used as a point and shoot the D800e can certainly do all of that.

Thank you for that! I didn't want to bore anyone, but I was a professional photographer for 10yrs, and have ben an enthusiastic amateur for another 25yrs since a career change into IT. My photographic interests include landscapes, portraits, wildlife, travel, and now that I have a toddler running about at home, I'd like to record his growing up too - all on the best single camera I can afford. The D800 seems like the best fit for most of my requirements, but I need to make sure it's also useful for 'snatch and grab' shots, indoors, in available light.

Hi Al, snatch and grab, indoors, in available light? Oh yeah. I can't think of a better all around camera, period. The IQ is addictive though and the big files and DR make pulling shadows and keeping detail and color a dream. Go for it.

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Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse? Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

If you had the choice again, would you still choose D800 over the D610?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Al

I just got a D800E for specialty shots to complement my other cameras. The reason I got it was for landscapes and copy work. The first shot was a photo of my cat. Great detail.

I don't plan to use it for family shots. All my family shots are casual and don't require high resolution. Most of the time they're displayed on a screen so the resolution is rarely more than 2000 pixels across the large dimension of the image. When I print the photos it's never larger than 8.5 x 11 inches.  I need more in the high ISO range since much of the work is indoors. I haven't used the D800E enough to really put it through its paces but I have heard that it will work well up to around ISO 6400, although at that level you will probably have to downsample. Downsampling is not necessarily bad. With the overly large number of pixels you have a lot of leeway in things like downsampling and cropping.

Having tried it with a couple panoramas, I find that my computer is too old. The computer works ok for single shots, but trying to stitch a lot of large files together taxes it too much. My computer is probably 8 or 9 years old now. Only 4GBytes of RAM.

I would say the camera is versatile enough to do almost anything you want with it. You have to be willing to invest in more storage since your image files will be significantly larger than your current camera. It might also cost you a new computer. Probably the limitations of the camera will show up in sports or low light work. Your mobile 3 yr old probably won't get into serious sports for another 3-4 years so by that time there will be a whole new set of cameras out there to consider. Remember, the camera bodies are disposable. The glass is forever.

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coudet Veteran Member • Posts: 3,999
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Al Downie wrote:

If you had the choice again, would you still choose D800 over the D610?

There's no choice here at all, it's D800.

Lance B Forum Pro • Posts: 30,699
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Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse? Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

If you had the choice again, would you still choose D800 over the D610?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Al

I shoot birds, animals, landscapes and travel mainly. I find my D800E a blessing, best camera I've ever had and others include the D700, D7000.

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romfordbluenose wrote:

I find the D800 a curse all the time. it keeps making me want to take photos and nothing else gets done.

Seriously though all cameras will have 36mp or sometime soon so why worry.

True.  Heck it wasn't that long ago that 24 MP was considered HUGE.  Now every new DX camera in Nikon's line is 24 mp, even the D3200/D3300.  With how cheap storage is and how powerful even moderately priced computers are there is no reason the cameras that are 24 mp now can't end up with 30mp+ probably in a generation or two and the next D800 incarnation will probably have 50mp+.  There are already rumors Sony is making a 54MP sensor which if true is almost certainly for the D810 Unless Nikon surprises everyone with a D4X which is very unlikely IMO.

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Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse? Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

If you had the choice again, would you still choose D800 over the D610?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Al

FWIW it is my experience that the people who own the D800/e love it for everything, except the ones who also have D4s for serious/pro sports/wildlife (especially birds in flight) and have no problems with the bigger files ( in fact the love them and many say the D800/E spoiled them and they could never go back to a lower MP camera) but the people who don't own the camera are the ones who go on about how it's a studio camera or only good for landscapes or the files are too big or you need a top of the line computer to work on the images, or you can't shoot sports with it, or it's only good on a tripod ect.

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Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse? Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

If you had the choice again, would you still choose D800 over the D610?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Al

D800e, no doubt. (D800 and D800e since march/april 2012)

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Yupp.

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Al,

see below

Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse?

for landscape work at base iso the extra megapixels are fantastic. However, for other purposes they can be a pain. In my experience steadier handholding and/or higher shutter speeds can be required for a sharp image. People may say storage is cheap, but the sheer processing power required to open and edit a D800 raw will slow down your mac or PC.

Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

portraits it does well, I would rather use something smaller for family photos. I think the D4 is a better option for sports

If you had the choice again, would you still choose D800 over the D610?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Al

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sgoldswo wrote:

Al,

see below

Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse?

for landscape work at base iso the extra megapixels are fantastic. However, for other purposes they can be a pain. In my experience steadier handholding and/or higher shutter speeds can be required for a sharp image.

That's only the case if you're judging 'sharp' by pixel peeping at 100%. If you look at your images the same size then the D800 will be just as sharp as any other camera, in fact a little sharper.

People may say storage is cheap, but the sheer processing power required to open and edit a D800 raw will slow down your mac or PC.

It takes a bit longer, but macs and PCs are up to the task these days.

Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

portraits it does well, I would rather use something smaller for family photos. I think the D4 is a better option for sports

Clearly, but that is what it is optimised for. If the D4 wasn't better than the D800 for sports, Nikon's designers would have failed miserably. On the other hand, the D800 is quite competent for sports. I use mine 1.2x mode, 5FPS in those situations.

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bobn2 wrote:

sgoldswo wrote:

Al,

see below

Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse?

for landscape work at base iso the extra megapixels are fantastic. However, for other purposes they can be a pain. In my experience steadier handholding and/or higher shutter speeds can be required for a sharp image.

That's only the case if you're judging 'sharp' by pixel peeping at 100%. If you look at your images the same size then the D800 will be just as sharp as any other camera, in fact a little sharper.

I guess we'll have to agree to differ on this. My experience is that to get the same level of visible sharpness even at screen size I'm going for 0-30% faster shutter speeds. Its in lower or weaker light (and thus lower shutters speeds and or higher ISOs) that you notice this, in brighter conditions you won't.

People may say storage is cheap, but the sheer processing power required to open and edit a D800 raw will slow down your mac or PC.

It takes a bit longer, but macs and PCs are up to the task these days.

It takes me upward of twice as long to process photos from the D800E as it does those from the Df or D600. The difference is the wait for the computer to handle the files. I have a mid 2011 iMac with a 3.4 ghz core i7 and 16gb of memory.

Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

portraits it does well, I would rather use something smaller for family photos. I think the D4 is a better option for sports

Clearly, but that is what it is optimised for. If the D4 wasn't better than the D800 for sports, Nikon's designers would have failed miserably. On the other hand, the D800 is quite competent for sports. I use mine 1.2x mode, 5FPS in those situations.

I guess I should have been clearer - when I owned my D600, that would have been first up for shooting sports as opposed to the D800E.

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OP Al Downie Senior Member • Posts: 1,362
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Hi Stuart,

when I owned my D600, that would have been first up for shooting sports as opposed to the D800E.

So - this is the key statement for me. On paper the D800e has a much more sophisticated AF system, which I assume would result in fewer mis-focussed shots while tracking fast-moving action. Why then would you leave that camera on the shelf and take the D600 with it's cut-down AF system?

I don't mind a slow and deliberate post-processing workflow, but I don't want to disadvantage myself with a camera whose handling or performance is somehow compromised by its other features.

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sgoldswo wrote:

bobn2 wrote:

sgoldswo wrote:

Al,

see below

Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse?

for landscape work at base iso the extra megapixels are fantastic. However, for other purposes they can be a pain. In my experience steadier handholding and/or higher shutter speeds can be required for a sharp image.

That's only the case if you're judging 'sharp' by pixel peeping at 100%. If you look at your images the same size then the D800 will be just as sharp as any other camera, in fact a little sharper.

I guess we'll have to agree to differ on this. My experience is that to get the same level of visible sharpness even at screen size I'm going for 0-30% faster shutter speeds. Its in lower or weaker light (and thus lower shutters speeds and or higher ISOs) that you notice this, in brighter conditions you won't.

Of course, I can't question what you can see for yourself, but I can't see how this can possibly be the case. The camera shake will cause no more blur on the D800 than whatever you are comparing it with. Certainly I'm getting no more shake on my D800 than I did with my old 5D.

People may say storage is cheap, but the sheer processing power required to open and edit a D800 raw will slow down your mac or PC.

It takes a bit longer, but macs and PCs are up to the task these days.

It takes me upward of twice as long to process photos from the D800E as it does those from the Df or D600. The difference is the wait for the computer to handle the files. I have a mid 2011 iMac with a 3.4 ghz core i7 and 16gb of memory.

Interesting that 1.5 times as many pixels takes twice as long. My computer is not nearly as good as yours, and it seems to cope OK.

Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

portraits it does well, I would rather use something smaller for family photos. I think the D4 is a better option for sports

Clearly, but that is what it is optimised for. If the D4 wasn't better than the D800 for sports, Nikon's designers would have failed miserably. On the other hand, the D800 is quite competent for sports. I use mine 1.2x mode, 5FPS in those situations.

I guess I should have been clearer - when I owned my D600, that would have been first up for shooting sports as opposed to the D800E.

For one more frame per second cancelling the AF inferiority. Can't see it myself.

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Al Downie wrote:

Hi Stuart,

when I owned my D600, that would have been first up for shooting sports as opposed to the D800E.

So - this is the key statement for me. On paper the D800e has a much more sophisticated AF system, which I assume would result in fewer mis-focussed shots while tracking fast-moving action. Why then would you leave that camera on the shelf and take the D600 with it's cut-down AF system?

I don't mind a slow and deliberate post-processing workflow, but I don't want to disadvantage myself with a camera whose handling or performance is somehow compromised by its other features.

Because the only real world difference between the two AF systems I noticed was in the size of the AF point area. In fact, on the central group, the AF of the D600 felt more positive and less hesitant.

This isn't just about AF - the fact I can consistently get sharp shots in lower light than the D800E also plays into this equation.

Don't discount how long it takes to PP the files either. I could cope with spending longer working on the files to get them right. But waiting for the computer to "think" every time anything happens is painful. Also, bear in mind the size of a 36mp tiff (I've just found a 217mb example I created from a 38mb NEF), which is what the computer generates if you use a plug in (like NIK efex etc) which can really slow your processing workflow to a crawl.

That isn't to say the D800/E is terrible, far from it. But it isn't a panacea either.

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If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse? Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

If you had the choice again, would you still choose D800 over the D610?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Al

I have no regrets buying the d800e. It was an extremely smooth transition from my d300. I take pics of any and everything and never have any issues. I have big hands so the d800e fits much better in my hands than the d600. It makes the d600 feel flimsy in comparison. Yes the files are huge, but my computer handles them without a problem.

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I plan to do a lot of photography with the 800E in the near future. I no longer carry it for "chance" photos. The other two are basically backups, and they are both excellent. And I enjoy using them. So putting one in the car on a work day just makes sense to me. Either is capable of nice equipment photos if I need them, and there is less to worry about in this brave new world of steal anything not bolted down.

I have entertained the idea of some studio stuff, and the 800E would be the weapon of choice for that. So dry and warm in the house is a good place for it unless I have a specific need, like a visit with one of my grandchildren.

yvind Strm Veteran Member • Posts: 4,130
I would take D800E any day, over 600/610
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Blessing!

You can shoot anything with a D800E, today, and many years into the future.

It can do cats!

Babies

Older kids

Sunsets

Just get it, its marvelous.

Al Downie wrote:

If you're anything other than an exclusively landscape photographer, do you find the extra megapixels a blessing or a curse? Is the camera versatile enough to take good family photos (I have a very mobile 3yr old at home!) as well as portraits, sports etc?

If you had the choice again, would you still choose D800 over the D610?

Thanks for any thoughts!

Al

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