Nikon D3300 is $499 - how can mirrorless compete?

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maljo@inreach.com Veteran Member • Posts: 7,607
Nikon D3300 is $499 - how can mirrorless compete?
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a pretty well spec'd camera and gives access to a huge system.

On a budget it would be hard to pick an EM1 over these cheap entry level DSLRs.

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D3300 = 490 grams vs EM1 = 497 grams
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Digital Dick Senior Member • Posts: 1,818
Re: Nikon D3300 is $499 - how can mirrorless compete?
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Put a 600mm lens on it and then we'll talk.

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Lab D Veteran Member • Posts: 6,938
D3300 competes with the $349 E-PM2 (Nikon is $150 more!)
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The Nikon is a pretty stripped down budget camera.  It competes with the less expensive PEN series.  The only problem for the Nikon is it is not very small comapred to the PEN cameras.

As for the E-M1 with the weather sealing and faster performance, it competes more with the D7100...which is very large.

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Bob Tullis
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Comparing apples to pumpkins?
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maljo@inreach.com wrote:

a pretty well spec'd camera and gives access to a huge system.

On a budget it would be hard to pick an EM1 over these cheap entry level DSLRs.

Very astute of you. That might relate to the E-M1 not being aimed at the budget minded demographic.

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At the extremes of use is where the differences will show...
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That being said, this is a vey tempting camera for certain.  I could see choosing this with a wide angle or a long tele zoom and never swapping out the lens, since it will cost less than an equivalent m4/3 lens alone.

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Re: Nikon D3300 is $499 - how can mirrorless compete?
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maljo@inreach.com wrote:

a pretty well spec'd camera and gives access to a huge system.

On a budget it would be hard to pick an EM1 over these cheap entry level DSLRs.

maljo

Let's take another look...

Nikon is panicking and dumping his product because, because, because...

I feel happy for Nikon users!!!

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Re: Nikon D3300 is $499 - how can mirrorless compete?
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Digital Dick wrote:

Put a 600mm lens on it and then we'll talk.

Dick

LOL

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Jon Ragnarsson
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Re: Nikon D3300 is $499 - how can mirrorless compete?
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maljo@inreach.com wrote:

a pretty well spec'd camera and gives access to a huge system.

On a budget it would be hard to pick an EM1 over these cheap entry level DSLRs.

maljo

How about you can pick a cheap entry level m43 instead of the top of the line m43 camera, then?

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slimandy Forum Pro • Posts: 17,155
Re: Nikon D3300 is $499 - how can mirrorless compete?
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On a budget you are right, but if you want a small system camera that is high quality MFT is better.

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Re: Size isn't everything
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maljo@inreach.com wrote:

a pretty well spec'd camera and gives access to a huge system.

On a budget it would be hard to pick an EM1 over these cheap entry level DSLRs.

maljo

Sounds to me like you're comparing the two based on size of the camera. However, if you compare on features, the EM1 would compare more to the likes of the D7100 and Canon 70D. It then becomes a choice based on need, rather than price.

Do you need a stop advantage in Depth of Field and noise? Go the DSLR way. Do you need that size advantage, go with m4/3.

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Re: Does m4/3 have a 900mm lens?
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mazzuccato wrote:

Digital Dick wrote:

Put a 600mm lens on it and then we'll talk.

Dick

LOL

600mm on a DX camera makes for a 900mm Field of View. Does m4/3 have an equivalent lens?

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Lab D Veteran Member • Posts: 6,938
Yes, and more
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PepsiCan wrote:

mazzuccato wrote:

Digital Dick wrote:

Put a 600mm lens on it and then we'll talk.

Dick

LOL

600mm on a DX camera makes for a 900mm Field of View. Does m4/3 have an equivalent lens?

Anything that you can put on the Nikon, you can put on the M43 camera.  The difference is it would be a 1200mm lens instead of a shorter 900mm lens.   Of course there are a few thosand more lenses you can put on the M43 camera too.

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Flagship vs entry level?
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Why would you expect the top of the line E-M1 to compete on price  w an entry level Nikon?  OK, the Nikon does have a higher res sensor (24MP vs. 16 on the OM-D) but can you compare the build, the controls, level of customization available?  Does it offer a tilt screen? IBIS? Remote control from a smart phone? Titanium chassis? Weather sealing?

Now if these features hold little importance to you, of course they won't be worth the extra money, but some people value them.  So buy the camera that fills your needs and don't worry so much about the difference in cost of dissimilar models... Makes as much sense as comparing the price of the E-M1 to that of the D4

Why not compare the D3300 to the E-M10 when it comes out, or maybe the E-PL5?

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Re: Size isn't everything
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PepsiCan wrote:

maljo@inreach.com wrote:

a pretty well spec'd camera and gives access to a huge system.

On a budget it would be hard to pick an EM1 over these cheap entry level DSLRs.

maljo

Sounds to me like you're comparing the two based on size of the camera. However, if you compare on features, the EM1 would compare more to the likes of the D7100 and Canon 70D. It then becomes a choice based on need, rather than price.

Do you need a stop advantage in Depth of Field and noise?

Check again.  The difference between the EM1 and those other cameras is usually less than 1 stop for noise and DR.  In real life you won't see real difference.

I would say do you really want to have to adjust your camera for every lens in order for it to focus correctly like you do with PDAF (and it still may not be as accurate as CDAF)?   Do you want a camera like the D7100 that can't focus very well during video?  Do you really want to carry those large lenses everywhere?

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Jim Salvas
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How is its EVF?
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E-M1: turn exposure compensation dial and watch as the large EVF image changes to match.

D3300: peer through OVF tunnel at reduced-size, unchanging image.

E-M1: watch as EFV compensates for dim lighting in very dark conditions.

D3300: put away your camera.

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Re: Yes, and more
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Pretty sure the kind of photographer who uses the EM1 wouldn't even consider the Nikon as an option. It's a pretty dumbed down camera, and sure, it has great value for an entry-level DSLR, but IMO a DSLR is just a worse choice than M43 for casual use.

11-point AF. Is that still using the old, old AF system from the D90? Have fun with it hunting forever to acquire focus in any challenging lighting condition, and then getting a low keeper rate due to back/front-focusing issues...

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Re: Yes, and more
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what moved me to m4/3 was wrist damage. i need a lighter camera / lens solution. here's some figures to consider if you, too, are concerned with having a lighter camera.

camera weights plus budget zoom lens

Nikon D3300 Weight (inc. batteries) 15.17 oz + lower priced 55-200 zoom 9 oz = 24.17 oz
Nikon D3300 Weight (inc. batteries) 15.17 oz + step up 55-200 zoom 11.8 oz = 26.97 oz

Canon SL1 weight (inc. batteries) 14.36 oz + 55 - 250 lens 13.23 oz = 27.59 oz
(longest focal range of any lens of those i'm comparing)

Panasonic GX7 14.18 oz + 45-200 zoom lens 13.4 oz = 27.8 oz

Panasonic G6 11.99 oz + 45-200 zoom lens 13.4 oz =25.39 oz

NEX6 10.1 oz + 55-210 zoom lens 12.1 oz = 22.2 oz total

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Re: D3300 = 490 grams vs EM1 = 497 grams
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I'd have thought that anyone who needs an E-M1 would not be satisfied with the D3300's feature set.

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pcake wrote:

what moved me to m4/3 was wrist damage. i need a lighter camera / lens solution. here's some figures to consider if you, too, are concerned with having a lighter camera.

camera weights plus budget zoom lens

Nikon D3300 Weight (inc. batteries) 15.17 oz + lower priced 55-200 zoom 9 oz = 24.17 oz
Nikon D3300 Weight (inc. batteries) 15.17 oz + step up 55-200 zoom 11.8 oz = 26.97 oz

Canon SL1 weight (inc. batteries) 14.36 oz + 55 - 250 lens 13.23 oz = 27.59 oz
(longest focal range of any lens of those i'm comparing)

Panasonic GX7 14.18 oz + 45-150zoom lens 7 oz = 21.8 oz

Panasonic G6 11.99 oz + 45-150 zoom lens 7 oz =19 oz

NEX6 10.1 oz + 55-210 zoom lens 12.1 oz = 22.2 oz total

You could also use the 175mm lens which weighs 7.4 oz and is 350mm EFL too.

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