Declining MFT/mirrorless camera sales?

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TrapperJohn Forum Pro • Posts: 16,488
A few little problems with this article...
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Panasonic, Olympus, and Fuji are mentioned when it comes to the declining P&S market. Not mentioned are the other big players in the declining P&S market: Canon, Nikon, and especially Sony, who is the most heavily vested in the P&S market, and is losing the greatest revenue stream from that downturn.

Note how figures appear and disappear in this article. Sales figures go from three months as compared to last year, to one month as compared to last year for the P&S market, to the only detailed mirrorless sales numbers in the entire article: a 3 week period in November as compared to... well, the author doesn't say what that was compared to. You might infer to the same period last year but he doesn't explicity say, like he does with every other sales figure. 3 weeks is a curious time frame to choose, sales are typically reported as quarterly or month as compared to last year. This sounds like cherry picking an odd time frame to maximize a sales drop.

Here's a funny one: Sony is the only camera maker turning a profit from smartphones. Well, they're also the only camera company making smartphones, with one exception: a little company called Samsung, who most certainly makes cameras, and most definitely is profiting in the smartphone market. I believe Samsung, more than any company, was responsible for Sony's near eviction from the smartphone market.

And most telling: the author goes to great lengths to portray mirrorless in a negative light, complete with disappearing sales numbers and to portray Sony in the most positive light, but makes no mention whatsoever of Sony NEX, a major player in the mirrorless market that the author is trying to discredit.

Either this guy owns a bunch of Sony stock, or he's trying to get a job with them.

Sean Nelson
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Re: The mirror is a "dead man walking"
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Lab D wrote:

btw, 99.99% cameras sold today are mirrorless. Did you really think that camera in your phone had a mirror????

Mine does.   I see my face in it every time I turn off the screen... 

aljudy Senior Member • Posts: 1,208
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Zensu11 wrote:

Just got back from visiting my family in PA., it's been 5 years since I was last up and my nieces and nephews were in college back then. They are all out in the workplace now and I was surprised to see that all of them had smartphones but none were using them to take photos. When photo opportunities presented themselves each one would pull out a compact camera and not cheap compact's but sophisticated compacts. They were using Samsung, Nikon, and Sony cameras. In speaking with each one I learned that they sometimes used their smartphones for snapshots but if they knew there would be photos opps' they always carried a compact, good image quality camera with them for important photos. So young people are sophisticated enough to know a quality image is more likely with a device designed to take quality photos than an add on app on a device designed to make phone calls. Just my 2 cents in the future of photographic tools.

My experience is opposite. I have four college-graduate daughters, married with a total of five grands. Nobody in the fourteen of them uses a camera any more; even the grands have portable devices to take photos and videos. Of course when they want a high quality photo or video, they call on me; perhaps this explains why?

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Re: A report in Bloomberg says otherwise
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al_in_philly wrote:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-18/olympus-expects-camera-unit-to-return-to-profit-next-year.html

Perhaps it's all about the transition away from P/S as the profit base.

I think this is right on especially in light of the new article on DPReview:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/01/02/best-gear-of-2013-the-results-are-in?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu

It's amazing how the lowest camera sales in continual decline, mirrorless, are the most owned of any of the cameras in the favorites of 2013. Oh well.

It seems there are major contradictions in "facts"

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Eric Nepean
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Re: Declining MFT/mirrorless camera sales?

Len_Gee wrote:

Greetings,

A non-geek photog ( she shoots with a Canon G12 on Auto Mode ) emailed this article to me:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/12/29/business/29reuters-japan-cameras.html?hp&_r=3&

So, she got me an iPhone5 as a Christmas present. The iPhone5 camera IQ is not too bad in good light and makes it convenient to upload pics for sharing on social media sites , self pics of my travels, and to quickly email pics to friends and family. Not so good IQ in restaurant/pubs, just OK, I reckon.

I'm thinking of just using iPhone5 as the backup to my existing MFT or Sony RX100 when on vacation trips since I'm just a casual photo enthusiast snapping memory type photos. And I have no illusions of taking award winning Nat Geo type photos. I'm at the age where small and light kit is good.

Questions:

Do you agree with the NYT article?

Some parts re OK. The rest, no.

How many of you are planning to add more MFT/mirrorless cameras or lenses to your stable in 2014?

I have a very complete MFT kit right now. Considered replacing an existing MFT camera but decided to wait until there is a successor to the GM1 or the GX7.

Why? Need or G.A.S. ?

I can't honestly say that I have a need for any camera or lens. But I don't consider that I have G.A.S.  either - acquisitions are planned at least 6 months in advance and stay with me for many years. I very rarely switch camera lines.

And, do you use your smartphone as primary backup to your MFT /mirrorless kit(s)?

My smart phone is my back up for my point & shoot travel camera, which is not a backup for my MFT cameras. Might consider replacing the the P&S with the GM1 or GM2.

Regards and happy 2014.

And to you and yours.

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richj20 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,179
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Len_Gee wrote:

Do you agree with the NYT article?

A few points -- connectivity is one. Others are speculations, IMO.

How many of you are planning to add more MFT/mirrorless cameras or lenses to your stable in 2014?

I've got all the lenses I need. My m4/3 is one of two systems I use -- the other is the Panasonic FZ200 which I carry with me all of the time. I use the m4/3 for situations where I need fast primes, for example.

And, do you use your smartphone as primary backup to your MFT /mirrorless kit(s)?

No smartphone here.

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Midwest Forum Pro • Posts: 18,319
Re: The mirror is a "dead man walking"
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Lab D wrote:

topstuff wrote:

DSLR's will remain for enthusiasts who want specialisms like long lenses and shooting birds and sport.

Every manufacturer including Nikon and Canon is putting most of their R&D money in to getting rid of the mirror. Canon and Nikon both now have decent PDAF sensors and we will see more in the future.

The DSLR isn't just about phase detect autofocus... It is also about the real time OVF, and there is no substitute for it yet, at least for some of us. I don't care if they put the AF on the sensor, if it works then fine, that has nothing to do with why I prefer a DSLR. And really I don't mind the mirror.

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GeorgianBay1939 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,044
Re: A few little problems with this article...
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TrapperJohn wrote:

Panasonic, Olympus, and Fuji are mentioned when it comes to the declining P&S market. Not mentioned are the other big players in the declining P&S market: Canon, Nikon, and especially Sony, who is the most heavily vested in the P&S market, and is losing the greatest revenue stream from that downturn.

Note how figures appear and disappear in this article. Sales figures go from three months as compared to last year, to one month as compared to last year for the P&S market, to the only detailed mirrorless sales numbers in the entire article: a 3 week period in November as compared to... well, the author doesn't say what that was compared to. You might infer to the same period last year but he doesn't explicity say, like he does with every other sales figure. 3 weeks is a curious time frame to choose, sales are typically reported as quarterly or month as compared to last year. This sounds like cherry picking an odd time frame to maximize a sales drop.

Here's a funny one: Sony is the only camera maker turning a profit from smartphones. Well, they're also the only camera company making smartphones, with one exception: a little company called Samsung, who most certainly makes cameras, and most definitely is profiting in the smartphone market. I believe Samsung, more than any company, was responsible for Sony's near eviction from the smartphone market.

And most telling: the author goes to great lengths to portray mirrorless in a negative light, complete with disappearing sales numbers and to portray Sony in the most positive light, but makes no mention whatsoever of Sony NEX, a major player in the mirrorless market that the author is trying to discredit.

Either this guy owns a bunch of Sony stock, or he's trying to get a job with them.

I was motivated to check out Reuter's sources, IDC and Credit Suisse imaging analyst Yu Yoshida after reading my 2 cents by desaroo .

I didn't learn much of value from IDC .

But Googling Credit Suisse imaging analyst Yu Yoshida returned 6 full pages of articles, blogs and assorted fluff quoting Yu Yoshida including this Reuter's Article by Knight and Murai.   Same old chicken little stuff repeated over and over again by writers who lack insight or originality.

Sorry desaroo.

So I think that I have to say:

1.  Yoshida's stock positions should be investigated before and after publication of his "research"

2.  Yoshida's relationship(?) with Sony should be investigated.

3.  Most of this furor is fueled by a bunch of inadequate "journalists" parroting a superficial "analysis".

4.  Why do we (myself included) bother with this stuff?

Apparently there are lots of turkeys out there ---- in addition to this one who, a few days ago, posed for my MFT camera.

Canadian Turkey warming one foot ... and freezing the other.  Rapid exchanges leads to the "turkey strut".

Ah well, after doing all of this research I'll be able to sleep nights, knowing that my gear isn't going the way of the Dodo bird ....  yet!

Tom

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Reg Natarajan
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If I may say so, you're asking the wrong people.

It's been clear to me for some time now that the readers here are generally gearheads and, in many cases, the gear takes precedence over photography. I don't mean this as a slam, although I realize it may sound like one.  Some people collect stamps.  Others collect camera gear.  It harms nobody.

I'm also the wrong person to ask for different reasons. To my surprise, I find myself far less interested in camera phones than I thought I would be, even though I'm technically oriented and am generally very friendly to new technology. I just like holding well crafted cameras in my hands when I take photos and have settled on Fuji X as my preferred system.

The readership here doesn't matter and I don't matter. Those of us who read this site are in the tiny minority.  What matters is the overwhelming majority of people who are quite happy with the results they're getting from their phones, and who are turning photography into an art form that is vastly more timely and relevant than it ever was before, although admittedly at the expense of some level of craftsmanship. Many here don't like it and some of those are vocal about it but they really have no say in the matter.  None of us do.  The marketplace will make its decisions without consulting us.

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Re: The mirror is a "dead man walking"
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Midwest wrote:

Lab D wrote:

topstuff wrote:

DSLR's will remain for enthusiasts who want specialisms like long lenses and shooting birds and sport.

Every manufacturer including Nikon and Canon is putting most of their R&D money in to getting rid of the mirror. Canon and Nikon both now have decent PDAF sensors and we will see more in the future.

The DSLR isn't just about phase detect autofocus... It is also about the real time OVF, and there is no substitute for it yet, at least for some of us. I don't care if they put the AF on the sensor, if it works then fine, that has nothing to do with why I prefer a DSLR. And really I don't mind the mirror.

What exactly is not real-time about the E-M5 or E-M1 EVF?

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Lab D Veteran Member • Posts: 6,938
Spoken like "grandpa"
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Midwest wrote:

Lab D wrote:

topstuff wrote:

DSLR's will remain for enthusiasts who want specialisms like long lenses and shooting birds and sport.

Every manufacturer including Nikon and Canon is putting most of their R&D money in to getting rid of the mirror. Canon and Nikon both now have decent PDAF sensors and we will see more in the future.

The DSLR isn't just about phase detect autofocus... It is also about the real time OVF, and there is no substitute for it yet, at least for some of us. I don't care if they put the AF on the sensor, if it works then fine, that has nothing to do with why I prefer a DSLR. And really I don't mind the mirror.

I remember when old people and the occasional young person claimed phones with touchscreens would never catch on because they didn't have the tactile feel and response of real buttons.   Then they said smartphones and tablets would quickly die unless they came with a real keyboard of some kind.

Now I read these same people saying they need an OVF and lots of buttons on their cameras and that touch shutters (selecting a focal point and activiating the sutter with one touch) and EVF will never catch on.

Things never change. 

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aljudy wrote:

Zensu11 wrote:

Just got back from visiting my family in PA., it's been 5 years since I was last up and my nieces and nephews were in college back then. They are all out in the workplace now and I was surprised to see that all of them had smartphones but none were using them to take photos. When photo opportunities presented themselves each one would pull out a compact camera and not cheap compact's but sophisticated compacts. They were using Samsung, Nikon, and Sony cameras. In speaking with each one I learned that they sometimes used their smartphones for snapshots but if they knew there would be photos opps' they always carried a compact, good image quality camera with them for important photos. So young people are sophisticated enough to know a quality image is more likely with a device designed to take quality photos than an add on app on a device designed to make phone calls. Just my 2 cents in the future of photographic tools.

My experience is opposite. I have four college-graduate daughters, married with a total of five grands. Nobody in the fourteen of them uses a camera any more; even the grands have portable devices to take photos and videos. Of course when they want a high quality photo or video, they call on me; perhaps this explains why?

Two opposite family's, you and I had different impacts on our growing families. Maybe you were more easily available for the quality photos they wanted and I obviously was not. Visiting every few years I didn't have much time to make a strong impression. This last trip was 5 years since my previous visit, an exceptionally long time between my Holiday treks. I have a cousin here in Alabama who is also an amateur photographer for his family and they, like your family, rely on him for all their "important" photos. Of course my post are just anecdotal evidence of our changing photo world. Maybe my family is the exception and your's is the rule?

TrapperJohn Forum Pro • Posts: 16,488
Sadly...

A lot of 'financial reporting' I've read that's on a subject I know something about is equally skewed. This clown isn't the only person doing this sort of thing, and I'd wager no small amount of money he's doing a 'pump and dump' on a bunch of Sony stock that he's holding. This is the news source for people managing my retirement funds? Cash under the mattress is starting to look like a viable alternative. Seriously, if an amateur like me can blow holes in that story that easily, why does rubbish like this keep getting published?

Love the paragraph on the Sony QX - he hints that it's wildly successful because it 'outsold production', but then the Sony rep says they had no hard sales expectations for the QX. Translation: It sold better than nothing. In truth, the QX hasn't been a strong seller. It takes the worst part of a cell phone cam, the lousy ergonomics, and adds the worst part of a P&S as compared to a cell phone cam: something extra to carry.

I'm not ragging on Sony, they're having a tough time like everyone else, and they are at least trying to push the camera field forward with the A7, even if it does appear to have been rushed to market before it was finished.

It's the obviously manipulative stories like this that have me treating any eyebrow raising 'reporting' with the question - what has this person left out? What is their real agenda? And the frequency with which stories like this are published and palmed off as real journalism.

Joel Stern
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These threads are running rampart here and Fuji ang other forums.  Doom is not upon us.  If you use a real camera you will never be happy with a smartphone's IQ..

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Barry Stewart
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Lab D wrote:

I remember when old people and the occasional young person claimed phones with touchscreens would never catch on because they didn't have the tactile feel and response of real buttons. Then they said smartphones and tablets would quickly die unless they came with a real keyboard of some kind.

Now I read these same people saying they need an OVF and lots of buttons on their cameras and that touch shutters (selecting a focal point and activiating the sutter with one touch) and EVF will never catch on.

Things never change.

Hey, I resemble that… partly.

We didn't "need" anything at Christmas 2012, so my wife convinced 'us' that we needed an iPad. I enjoyed flying around our area with the 3-d map for a few hours, then I went back to my desktop computer. It maybe has 30 hours of use, after a year. My desktop: over 1,000 (maybe 2?).

I admit, it is handy for traveling — but I absolutely hate the keyboard on the thing. Not so much the lack of tactile keys… more the having to switch layers to get at the numbers and extra characters.

As a teacher, I use them for the learning apps — but give me a full computer for regular work.

On the other hand, I love the touchscreen on my E-PL5.

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Reg Natarajan wrote:

If I may say so, you're asking the wrong people.

It's been clear to me for some time now that the readers here are generally gearheads and, in many cases, the gear takes precedence over photography. I don't mean this as a slam, although I realize it may sound like one. Some people collect stamps. Others collect camera gear. It harms nobody.

I'm also the wrong person to ask for different reasons. To my surprise, I find myself far less interested in camera phones than I thought I would be, even though I'm technically oriented and am generally very friendly to new technology. I just like holding well crafted cameras in my hands when I take photos and have settled on Fuji X as my preferred system.

The readership here doesn't matter and I don't matter. Those of us who read this site are in the tiny minority. What matters is the overwhelming majority of people who are quite happy with the results they're getting from their phones, and who are turning photography into an art form that is vastly more timely and relevant than it ever was before, although admittedly at the expense of some level of craftsmanship. Many here don't like it and some of those are vocal about it but they really have no say in the matter. None of us do. The marketplace will make its decisions without consulting us.

You make excellent points Reg. I relate to exactly what you comment on the changing photography as an art form. I was a draftsperson for 45 years and drawing with an inked nib pen on vellum required true craftsmanship and talent, then computers came along and the last company I worked for I was the only drafter that could draw by hand. The computer, with a good technician at the keyboard, will print beautiful drawings. I would sometimes look at my old hand drawings next to a computer generated one and miss the old days and the more personal aspects on a hand drawn detail. The individual hand lettering, adjusting line widths on the nib pen to make certain details stand out, and any number of personal styles one would place on the vellum. Now many of us old film shooters look at digital images they same way, the digital images are stunning yet looking at my old Kodachromes leaves me missing that craftsmanship also. Nailing the correct exposure on slide film was a thing of joy. The anticipation of awaiting your images to be processed, and the surprise when you caught an image you weren't impressed with at the time pushing the shutter button only to find a magical photo that took your breath away. Please forgive the ramblings of an old man.

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Your's is probably the best post in this thread, all the  nitpicking by all the Gearheads, does not make any difference at all,ever since I bought my G1 I have wondered how long Panny would last in the Camera biz without a visual  presence  in the retail stores, except for a few  low end P&S cameras,in my town ,abt 60k  I have only met  1 person using  a M43 Camera, it seems clear that most people  simply are not aware of M43 or simply don't care either way, there is no indication  that m43 is going to be a force to be reckoned with, hope I'm wrong, time will tell.

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Reg Natarajan wrote:

If I may say so, you're asking the wrong people.

It's been clear to me for some time now that the readers here are generally gearheads and, in many cases, the gear takes precedence over photography. I don't mean this as a slam, although I realize it may sound like one. Some people collect stamps. Others collect camera gear. It harms nobody.

I'm also the wrong person to ask for different reasons. To my surprise, I find myself far less interested in camera phones than I thought I would be, even though I'm technically oriented and am generally very friendly to new technology. I just like holding well crafted cameras in my hands when I take photos and have settled on Fuji X as my preferred system.

The readership here doesn't matter and I don't matter. Those of us who read this site are in the tiny minority. What matters is the overwhelming majority of people who are quite happy with the results they're getting from their phones, and who are turning photography into an art form that is vastly more timely and relevant than it ever was before, although admittedly at the expense of some level of craftsmanship. Many here don't like it and some of those are vocal about it but they really have no say in the matter. None of us do. The marketplace will make its decisions without consulting us.

You make excellent points Reg. I relate to exactly what you comment on the changing photography as an art form. I was a draftsperson for 45 years and drawing with an inked nib pen on vellum required true craftsmanship and talent, then computers came along and the last company I worked for I was the only drafter that could draw by hand. The computer, with a good technician at the keyboard, will print beautiful drawings. I would sometimes look at my old hand drawings next to a computer generated one and miss the old days and the more personal aspects on a hand drawn detail. The individual hand lettering, adjusting line widths on the nib pen to make certain details stand out, and any number of personal styles one would place on the vellum. Now many of us old film shooters look at digital images they same way, the digital images are stunning yet looking at my old Kodachromes leaves me missing that craftsmanship also. Nailing the correct exposure on slide film was a thing of joy. The anticipation of awaiting your images to be processed, and the surprise when you caught an image you weren't impressed with at the time pushing the shutter button only to find a magical photo that took your breath away. Please forgive the ramblings of an old man.

Boy, do I miss Kodachrome. I miss, as you say, doing that very deliberate setup and scene analysis in hopes of nailing the perfect exposure that was required on slide film. The joy of holding your original, the mounted slide, and seeing the depth of the dye layers on the material.

But those days are gone forever. Kodachrome is gone as is my ability, nay my desire, to lug a 350 f/2.8 with its resulting support gear in order to spend 1/2 hour on just the setup. I guess many are around to fill that role, my life is no longer that simple and on a sunny day I would rather be on a screaming metal 2-wheel death trap anyway.

Those memories are in the past and as fond as I am of them, I have no wish to repeat them. I have new frontiers of life to explore and, as they say, I've learned you can never go home again.

Barry Stewart
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Grantham

grantham wrote:

Your's is probably the best post in this thread, all the nitpicking by all the Gearheads, does not make any difference at all,ever since I bought my G1 I have wondered how long Panny would last in the Camera biz without a visual presence in the retail stores, except for a few low end P&S cameras,in my town ,abt 60k I have only met 1 person using a M43 Camera, it seems clear that most people simply are not aware of M43 or simply don't care either way, there is no indication that m43 is going to be a force to be reckoned with, hope I'm wrong, time will tell.

Ken, I was also impressed by Reg's response. To a large extent, we at DPR forums don't wag the dog.

BUT: we can be the seeds of change, if we care to. We show our families and friends the gear we've downsized (or upsized) to and the results we get and they have reason to pause and consider. Some of the seeds will fall on fertile ground. Others will get washed away by the tide.

BTW, if you live in my town (Chilliwack), that would make 3 m4/3 users!

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As a guest, I attended a wedding with about 200 other guests.  I brought my pocket camera, a Panasonic LX7.  During the ceremony, I was taking a few photos.   I glanced over to the row on the other side of the aisle and all six guests sitting there had smart phones shooting photos.  That is the way the world is moving for non enthusiasts.

Bear in mind I want Fuji, Olympus,  Panasonic and Sony to survive and be prosperous, as they are producing  innovative cameras. However, all camera manufacturers (including Nikon and Canon) will have to modify their business plans to profitably survive on less sales.  If they do not change with the market, they may just follow in Kodak's footsteps.

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