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Minimalist lense choice for travel

Started Dec 29, 2013 | Questions
Thin_Ice Regular Member • Posts: 426
Minimalist lense choice for travel

Hello,

What lense would you recommend for:

* ski traverse of a week through the Italian Dolomites (OMD with the prime attached)

* travel to Katmandu, short trekking in Nepal of the beaten track and a tiger safari in India

I have an OMD with the 12 and 45 mm primes and an E420 with the 14-42 and 40-150 kit zooms. I really like the 45 mm for mountain landscapes and the 12 mm for social pictures indoors and outdoors. I use the 12 mm as walk around most of the time. I hope to buy the upcoming oly 40-150 fast zoom for sport and wildlife, but this one won't be available before the Nepal/India trip. Most of the time i take no spare lense on a trip.

Would a 17 mm prime be an advantage over the 12 mm for adventure travel/mountain scenes? Before buying the 12 mm, i checked the flickr groups of th 12, 17 and 9-18. I concluded that the results of the 12 mm on flickr really stand out and went for the 12mm.

I would use the 12 mm in Kathmandu streets and the 45 mm in the dolomites on the ski 's and on trek in Nepal. For a panorama i would stitch when needed.

What can be expected of the current mFT 40-150 and 70-300? Is there much difference with the results of my FT equipment in daylight? Since i use my primes, i am underwhelmed by the image quality of my FT lenses...

I use to travel light. My current camera bag is a lowepro dashpoint 30. My ski backpack is a 30 liter mountaineering backpack stowed with gear,clothes and snacks for 5 days... For a second prime, i have to trade in 3 snickers :-(.

Thanks for your advise,

Steven

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Neurad1 Senior Member • Posts: 2,498
Re: Minimalist lense choice for travel

Thin_Ice wrote:

Hello,

What lense would you recommend for:

* ski traverse of a week through the Italian Dolomites (OMD with the prime attached)

* travel to Katmandu, short trekking in Nepal of the beaten track and a tiger safari in India

I have an OMD with the 12 and 45 mm primes and an E420 with the 14-42 and 40-150 kit zooms. I really like the 45 mm for mountain landscapes and the 12 mm for social pictures indoors and outdoors. I use the 12 mm as walk around most of the time. I hope to buy the upcoming oly 40-150 fast zoom for sport and wildlife, but this one won't be available before the Nepal/India trip. Most of the time i take no spare lense on a trip.

Would a 17 mm prime be an advantage over the 12 mm for adventure travel/mountain scenes? Before buying the 12 mm, i checked the flickr groups of th 12, 17 and 9-18. I concluded that the results of the 12 mm on flickr really stand out and went for the 12mm.

I would use the 12 mm in Kathmandu streets and the 45 mm in the dolomites on the ski 's and on trek in Nepal. For a panorama i would stitch when needed.

What can be expected of the current mFT 40-150 and 70-300? Is there much difference with the results of my FT equipment in daylight? Since i use my primes, i am underwhelmed by the image quality of my FT lenses...

I use to travel light. My current camera bag is a lowepro dashpoint 30. My ski backpack is a 30 liter mountaineering backpack stowed with gear,clothes and snacks for 5 days... For a second prime, i have to trade in 3 snickers :-(.

Thanks for your advise,

Steven

The m.zuiko 14-150 is extremely versatile and a decent lens, but not fast. I don't own the Panny 14-140, so I can't really comment.  You might consider the 12 prime plus a 14-150...that would cover a lot of focal lengths.

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One snickers
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Thin_Ice wrote:

Hello,

What lense would you recommend for:

* ski traverse of a week through the Italian Dolomites (OMD with the prime attached)

* travel to Katmandu, short trekking in Nepal of the beaten track and a tiger safari in India

I have an OMD with the 12 and 45 mm primes and an E420 with the 14-42 and 40-150 kit zooms. I really like the 45 mm for mountain landscapes and the 12 mm for social pictures indoors and outdoors. I use the 12 mm as walk around most of the time. I hope to buy the upcoming oly 40-150 fast zoom for sport and wildlife, but this one won't be available before the Nepal/India trip. Most of the time i take no spare lense on a trip.

Would a 17 mm prime be an advantage over the 12 mm for adventure travel/mountain scenes? Before buying the 12 mm, i checked the flickr groups of th 12, 17 and 9-18. I concluded that the results of the 12 mm on flickr really stand out and went for the 12mm.

I would use the 12 mm in Kathmandu streets and the 45 mm in the dolomites on the ski 's and on trek in Nepal. For a panorama i would stitch when needed.

What can be expected of the current mFT 40-150 and 70-300? Is there much difference with the results of my FT equipment in daylight? Since i use my primes, i am underwhelmed by the image quality of my FT lenses...

I use to travel light. My current camera bag is a lowepro dashpoint 30. My ski backpack is a 30 liter mountaineering backpack stowed with gear,clothes and snacks for 5 days... For a second prime, i have to trade in 3 snickers :-(.

Thanks for your advise,

Steven

The Ricoh GR (28mm f/2.8 eqiv, APS-C) is really small, well built, and provides major image quality. You only have to put aside one snickers (or two) to include it in your kit. And you don't have to think about changing lenses. It can be had for as little as $660 at B&H right now.

The M.Zuiko 75-300mm f/4.8-6.7 is slow slow slow. I own one. It is not a small lens and the 75mm short end is too long if it is your only telephoto. The lens can produce very nice images, but it took me some time to figure out how to get the best from it on my E-PL3 and E-PL5. In my opinion, as you approach 200-300mm, it is barely a hand-holdable lens without moving ISO up to 1600. Forget about using it without a tripod if you do not have bright sunlight.

The 17mm is certainly a more well-rounded focal length when you don't know exactly what to expect. I too have the 12mm and I love it. Sometimes, though, it is just too wide. Now, with the 17mm attached, I would likely say that sometimes, it's just too narrow. 

Honestly, you want the M.Zuiko 12-40mm f/2.8 on your OMD. Leave the other lenses at home. That lens seems to me to be the ultimate m4/3 travel lens.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA

ulfie Veteran Member • Posts: 3,299
Real minimalist=one lens.

If the OP really wants minimalist, s/he should choose just one lens. For that I'd recommend either the Oly 17/1.8 or Panny 20/1.7.  Versatile, small total package, and well above average IQ.

threepin Forum Member • Posts: 57
Re: Real minimalist=one lens.

for the last 3 nepalese treks i have taken i took an em-5 5 and a 12-60. altitudes from 1400 ft to 18000.now i would take my em-1 and 12-40- most trekking shot seem to be on the wide end and weather/dust sealing is big

i have the oly 45 but for either the dolomites or the himalaya i prefer wider.

some treks, too are extremely dusty e.g. upper mustang

the m43 lens focuses so much faster its nice

i used a capture clip and recommend it as it keeps the camera very handy but out of the the drip line of sweat.

depending on the trek and the month of the year a 30 liter pack may be a wee bit small

we did the dhaulagiri circuit this late year and a 45 was just right.

have fun - 2 very beautiful places

javyNJ Forum Member • Posts: 70
Re: Minimalist lense choice for travel

The Oly 12-40, Pany 12-35, and Pany 35-100 are really the only native zooms that will get you close enough to prime quality. One of those and a Pany 20/1.7 (tiny and fast for low light situations) sounds like a good kit for what you're doing.

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Ulric Veteran Member • Posts: 4,559
Re: Minimalist lense choice for travel
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Thin_Ice wrote:

I really like the 45 mm for mountain landscapes and the 12 mm for social pictures indoors and outdoors.

Well there you are then.

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morepix
morepix Veteran Member • Posts: 9,753
Re: Minimalist lense choice for travel

If I were taking an M43 camera, I'd take a single, wide-range zoom lens, like the 14-140. But I wouldn't take an M43 camera; I'd take a fixed lens camera, like the Oly Stylus 1 (or near equivalent).

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eques Veteran Member • Posts: 4,115
Re: Minimalist lense choice for travel

For a minimalist solution just take one lens. However, on trips like these, I would prefer a little more versatility.

1. J. Pilcher's idea with the Ricoh GR is very good: it gives you an excellent moderate WA, good for street and landscape photography. And if you want to take the Olympus camera, this might come in handy as a back up.

2. With your 12mm and 45mm plus the Ricoh you seem equipped for everything except wildlife in open country and for birds.

3. If you want to rely on one camera only, you might want to get 20mm or a 25mm or just use one hight quality zoom lens instead of the primes. For hiking I would prefer the 12-35 because it's size advantage to the 12-40.

Peter.

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thxbb12 Senior Member • Posts: 2,211
2 lenses

If I really wanted to travel with a minimum number of lenses in the smallest possible package, I'd choose these two:

  • Panasonic 12-32mm f/3.5-5.6 for all outdoor captures. This lens has very good IQ and is super tiny.
  • Olympus 17mm f/1.8 or Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 for low light situations or when shallow DOF is required.
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OP Thin_Ice Regular Member • Posts: 426
Re: Real minimalist=one lens.

threepin wrote:

i have the oly 45 but for either the dolomites or the himalaya i prefer wider.

From my experience, it depends:
people or other subject in the foreground + huge mountain in near background => 12 mm.
Mountain scene in the distance => 45 mm or telephoto, but boring most of the time.

Do you have a rough idea of the proportion of pictures of your treks were on the wide/middle/tele end of your zoom?

depending on the trek and the month of the year a 30 liter pack may be a wee bit small

we did the dhaulagiri circuit this late year and a 45 was just right.

For the trek i will take a 30-50L. Weight and volume are less critical on foot than on ski's. And there is always the possibility to hire a mule and support the local economy. Thanks for the hint anyway!

have fun - 2 very beautiful places

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OP Thin_Ice Regular Member • Posts: 426
Re: One snickers

Thank you for the good advice!

I will forget about the long telephoto and stick to my FT gear untill the fast tele's arrive.

I won't buy another camera. I want to capture my family, our adventures and sports with 1 camera and a selection of fine lenses.

The fotographer in me wants the 12-40 or voigtlander 17/25mm... The mountaineer/father in me won't find any free place to put this gear in his backpack...

Steven

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Miron09 Senior Member • Posts: 1,068
7-14. 100-300 Panasonic

Olympus 75mm

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OP Thin_Ice Regular Member • Posts: 426
Re: Real minimalist=one lens.

ulfie wrote:

If the OP really wants minimalist, s/he should choose just one lens. For that I'd recommend either the Oly 17/1.8 or Panny 20/1.7. Versatile, small total package, and well above average IQ.

Yes, one (prime)lense please?!?

In the reply's there are relatively little arguments for the 17mm. Without doubt, this is a no-brainer for streetfotography. I've read that even there the trend is to go somewhat wider?

What do you guys think about the 12 mm as a single prime lens choice for mountain + culture travel? Anno 2014 there is room for cropping in post and the digital teleconverter... My focus is on covering the story in decent IQ, not on perfecion in photography.

In nepal i can also take the 45 mm with me. If I will need to switch to ofthen between them, a 12-35 mm makes sense. Then i will have to trade off the f1.8 versus the versatility of the zoom.

Steven

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jpds Regular Member • Posts: 139
Re: Minimalist lense choice for travel

The blog that decided me to move to m43 was Graig Mod's site: http://craigmod.com/journal/gf1-fieldtest/ He did that with only one lens, the Panasonic 20mm.

I remember having hiked in the Alps at 1500 to 1800 meters -- at the age of 16-17 -- with gears like a Minolta Srt 101 + 50mm or a Zenit EM1 + 58mm ( yes the name has been used already! ) and after a day, they both felt like an anvil around the neck. So I think minimalism might be taken literally, but "your milage may vary".

J-P

ulfie Veteran Member • Posts: 3,299
Influential e-article

The site jpds mentions http://craigmod.com/journal/gf1-fieldtest/

is the one that heavily influenced me to get the Panny 20/1.7 (w/ Oly E-PL1 body).  Years ago, in film days (Remember film?), I had the petite Rollei 35S full-frame (24x36mm) film camera w/ fixed 40/2.8 lens.  For backpacking (16 days in the Bridger Wilderness of WY, USA) it was great!  I still have those Kodachrome 64 slides and they are gorgeous.  I also used it as my everyday, walk-around camera.  The 40mm equivalent FOV Panny 20/1.7 is very versatile, as the site above shows.  For me at least, it has proven the old adage that "Less in more."

australopithecus Contributing Member • Posts: 587
17 or 20mm if you want to travel light.

ulfie wrote:

If the OP really wants minimalist, s/he should choose just one lens. For that I'd recommend either the Oly 17/1.8 or Panny 20/1.7. Versatile, small total package, and well above average IQ.

I'd second that !  Zooms can be handy but are slower and lumpy.

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jpds Regular Member • Posts: 139
Re: Influential e-article
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I apologize first to the OP for this little digression...

So in film days, you had a 64 ISO capable full-frame sensor on a camera that could be held with just two fingers.... With several versions of it, and the S suffix indicated a Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/40mm lens?
It still had a flash shoe, on the bottom, because the top of the camera was alreay too busy...

That camera, and the likes Leica CL, Minolta CLE have fascinated me by their small size, when I was a boy, in a time when the motto was "Small is beautiful". As that motto seems to regain some interest today, because of it economical foundation, great (small) things are yet to come in Digital Photography

Cheers,
Jean-Pierre
Happy New Year to all of you!

duartix Veteran Member • Posts: 3,613
Re: Minimalist lense choice for travel

Thin_Ice wrote:

Hello,

What lense would you recommend for:

* ski traverse of a week through the Italian Dolomites (OMD with the prime attached)

* travel to Katmandu, short trekking in Nepal of the beaten track and a tiger safari in India

Steven, your problem is screaming GM1 kit in an all weather bag. I wonder how no one suggested it yet. I want those snacks I just saved you.

My ski backpack is a 30 liter mountaineering backpack stowed with gear,clothes and snacks for 5 days... For a second prime, i have to trade in 3 snickers :-(.

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berni29 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,119
Re: Minimalist lense choice for travel

Hi

The problem with the GM1 is going to be battery life IMHO. I would just use some snap wrap around the body to keep dust out and some sort of cloth tube or bandage around the lens if it were me taking one.

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