Marrutt refillable cartridges

Started Dec 29, 2013 | Discussions
Photo Pete Veteran Member • Posts: 4,007
Marrutt refillable cartridges

Anyone have any experience with Marrutt re-fillable cartridges with the Epson r1900.

I tried the Lyson ink carts from Marrutt a few years ago and they leaked and the ink wasn't fully stable. I understand that the Marrutt ink is re-badged Image Specialists ink, but what are the Marrutt cartridges like? I don't want CIS.

Not many choices in the UK for the r1900.

Anyone know how glossy the image specialists ink is? How fade resistant it is?

I primarily print full gloss on high gloss paper.
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MOD xrdbear Veteran Member • Posts: 3,913
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

Photo Pete wrote:

Anyone have any experience with Marrutt re-fillable cartridges with the Epson r1900.

I tried the Lyson ink carts from Marrutt a few years ago and they leaked and the ink wasn't fully stable. I understand that the Marrutt ink is re-badged Image Specialists ink, but what are the Marrutt cartridges like? I don't want CIS.

Not many choices in the UK for the r1900.

Not sure if my experience directly helps you but I have tried the Marrutt ink in my 4800. It has been a bit of a disaster. I have three OEM carts installed and the rest Marrutt. Every time I come to use the printer the nozzle check reveals a serious problem with clogging of the Marrutt inks but the OEM inks are perfect every time. It takes me half an hour of cleaning before I can start printing. Once the machine is unclogged the Marrutt inks print just fine. Plainly the printing I have done with these inks has not saved me money. Quite the reverse.

I have used nearly half of each 220ml cart over a period of time almost entirely to sort out clogged nozzles. In addition the chip on the yellow cart fell off on first insertion and the cart had to be replaced. I placed two substantial orders with Marrutt and neither were supplied correctly but sorted out swiftly. The only reason the carts are still in the machine is that I want to use as much of the ink usefully as possible before returning to OEM ink.

Now, you must judge if any of this is relevant to the R1900. You may have no problems whatever, hopefully someone else can chip in here.

OP Photo Pete Veteran Member • Posts: 4,007
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

Many thanks for responding. Your experience seems similar to my last dealing with Marrutt, using the Lyson inks and cartridges. I had hoped things might be different with the Marrutt/ image specialists ink system, but it seems not.

Anyone have direct experience with the Marrutt cartridges for the Epson r1900?

Anyone know of a better alternative that's available in the UK without heavy import taxes and postal delays?
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David Clarke29 Contributing Member • Posts: 787
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

Photo Pete wrote:

Many thanks for responding. Your experience seems similar to my last dealing with Marrutt, using the Lyson inks and cartridges. I had hoped things might be different with the Marrutt/ image specialists ink system, but it seems not.

Anyone have direct experience with the Marrutt cartridges for the Epson r1900?

Anyone know of a better alternative that's available in the UK without heavy import taxes and postal delays?
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Photo Pete

Not the R1900 but the 3880.  Obviously different cartridges but I have found the pigment ink very good - absolutely NO blockages, even after leaving the printer switched on for a couple of weeks. Colours are very similar to OEM cart's with some slight bronzing on Epson ultra glossy.  This disappeared on semi gloss and silk/oyster papers. A couple of their cart's didn't work originally but were replaced immediately. They also sent Lyson ink instead of Marrutt but this was changed immediately by courier. More bad housekeeping than bad product.

Dave. (UK)

JOHN Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
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When my Epson Pro 3880 black gloss got to 22% and the other inks at about 35% I thought it was about time to change, I had previously use Inkjetfly ink in my Epson R2400 with good results over 4 years.

What I liked about the marrutts inks was the way they promoted that you could change the ink carts one at a time.

So with this in mind I ordered photo gloss back, installed and after a few print I needed to do a ink clean then another ink clean 4x in total and I still could not get a good nozzle check.

So I phoned John and he said you need to fill the replacement cart right up and also clean the wiper blade and the printer head and  print 6 to 10 sheets of black which I did and then found that my ink monitor  states I have only llk 3%, vm5% and cyan7% so I now might need to buy some original Epson carts because the chips indication on carts need to be over 10%.

So this has cost me £267.oo + the 3 original carts at £53.oo = £310.oo .

I could of brought the Replacement carts and ink from Inkjetfly for about  £200 incl p&p.

The only reason I went with Marrutts was they where based in the UK and there impressive website and telephone help.

I feel that this might of been a great and costly mistake.

Regards Jonathan.

David Clarke29 Contributing Member • Posts: 787
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

JOHN wrote:

When my Epson Pro 3880 black gloss got to 22% and the other inks at about 35% I thought it was about time to change, I had previously use Inkjetfly ink in my Epson R2400 with good results over 4 years.

What I liked about the marrutts inks was the way they promoted that you could change the ink carts one at a time.

So with this in mind I ordered photo gloss back, installed and after a few print I needed to do a ink clean then another ink clean 4x in total and I still could not get a good nozzle check.

So I phoned John and he said you need to fill the replacement cart right up and also clean the wiper blade and the printer head and print 6 to 10 sheets of black which I did and then found that my ink monitor states I have only llk 3%, vm5% and cyan7% so I now might need to buy some original Epson carts because the chips indication on carts need to be over 10%.

So this has cost me £267.oo + the 3 original carts at £53.oo = £310.oo .

I could of brought the Replacement carts and ink from Inkjetfly for about £200 incl p&p.

The only reason I went with Marrutts was they where based in the UK and there impressive website and telephone help.

I feel that this might of been a great and costly mistake.

Regards Jonathan.

Jonathan - I initially had the same problem and this was caused through an omission in the instructions.  You have to fully prime the new cartridge. This consists of getting a needleless syringe and sucking the new ink through both the square and round compartments of the Marrutt cartridge until the compartments are full. This applies to all cartridges on initial replacement. Once primed and providing you do not empty any of the cartridges the priming need not be done again. If you read Jo's posts he has a series of videos explaining the whole thing - he was the one who put me right originally. I have had absolutely no problems with my printer since and the results, after some profiling are spot on - there again I am somewhat fussy about exact colour results.

Dave. (UK)

jtoolman
jtoolman Veteran Member • Posts: 6,765
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

David Clarke29 wrote:

JOHN wrote:

When my Epson Pro 3880 black gloss got to 22% and the other inks at about 35% I thought it was about time to change, I had previously use Inkjetfly ink in my Epson R2400 with good results over 4 years.

What I liked about the marrutts inks was the way they promoted that you could change the ink carts one at a time.

So with this in mind I ordered photo gloss back, installed and after a few print I needed to do a ink clean then another ink clean 4x in total and I still could not get a good nozzle check.

So I phoned John and he said you need to fill the replacement cart right up and also clean the wiper blade and the printer head and print 6 to 10 sheets of black which I did and then found that my ink monitor states I have only llk 3%, vm5% and cyan7% so I now might need to buy some original Epson carts because the chips indication on carts need to be over 10%.

So this has cost me £267.oo + the 3 original carts at £53.oo = £310.oo .

I could of brought the Replacement carts and ink from Inkjetfly for about £200 incl p&p.

The only reason I went with Marrutts was they where based in the UK and there impressive website and telephone help.

I feel that this might of been a great and costly mistake.

Regards Jonathan.

Jonathan - I initially had the same problem and this was caused through an omission in the instructions. You have to fully prime the new cartridge. This consists of getting a needleless syringe and sucking the new ink through both the square and round compartments of the Marrutt cartridge until the compartments are full. This applies to all cartridges on initial replacement. Once primed and providing you do not empty any of the cartridges the priming need not be done again. If you read Jo's posts he has a series of videos explaining the whole thing - he was the one who put me right originally. I have had absolutely no problems with my printer since and the results, after some profiling are spot on - there again I am somewhat fussy about exact colour results.

Dave. (UK)

PRIMMING is a definite requirement for ALL refillable carts!!!!

Joe

David Clarke29 Contributing Member • Posts: 787
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

jtoolman wrote:

David Clarke29 wrote:

JOHN wrote:

When my Epson Pro 3880 black gloss got to 22% and the other inks at about 35% I thought it was about time to change, I had previously use Inkjetfly ink in my Epson R2400 with good results over 4 years.

What I liked about the marrutts inks was the way they promoted that you could change the ink carts one at a time.

So with this in mind I ordered photo gloss back, installed and after a few print I needed to do a ink clean then another ink clean 4x in total and I still could not get a good nozzle check.

So I phoned John and he said you need to fill the replacement cart right up and also clean the wiper blade and the printer head and print 6 to 10 sheets of black which I did and then found that my ink monitor states I have only llk 3%, vm5% and cyan7% so I now might need to buy some original Epson carts because the chips indication on carts need to be over 10%.

So this has cost me £267.oo + the 3 original carts at £53.oo = £310.oo .

I could of brought the Replacement carts and ink from Inkjetfly for about £200 incl p&p.

The only reason I went with Marrutts was they where based in the UK and there impressive website and telephone help.

I feel that this might of been a great and costly mistake.

Regards Jonathan.

Jonathan - I initially had the same problem and this was caused through an omission in the instructions. You have to fully prime the new cartridge. This consists of getting a needleless syringe and sucking the new ink through both the square and round compartments of the Marrutt cartridge until the compartments are full. This applies to all cartridges on initial replacement. Once primed and providing you do not empty any of the cartridges the priming need not be done again. If you read Jo's posts he has a series of videos explaining the whole thing - he was the one who put me right originally. I have had absolutely no problems with my printer since and the results, after some profiling are spot on - there again I am somewhat fussy about exact colour results.

Dave. (UK)

PRIMMING is a definite requirement for ALL refillable carts!!!!

Joe

Joe is quite right John. I have only had the Marrutt cartridges to use personally but imagine the same principles apply to all as Joe states.

Dave. (UK)

Taurus43 Regular Member • Posts: 447
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JOHN wrote:

So I phoned John and he said you need to fill the replacement cart right up and also clean the wiper blade and the printer head and print 6 to 10 sheets of black which I did and then found that my ink monitor states I have only llk 3%, vm5% and cyan7% so I now might need to buy some original Epson carts because the chips indication on carts need to be over 10%.

So this has cost me £267.oo + the 3 original carts at £53.oo = £310.oo .

Regards Jonathan.

Don't buy new OEM carts until you have tried your existing chips, even though they are reading less than the "magic 10%". I have a Marrutt PK cartridge working perfectly and the OEM chip was reading 3% when I fitted it.

Couldn't agree more about priming the carts - if you don't do it you get air in the lines and it's very costly to purge it out.

Another point to bear in mind, when my PK cart was reading 3% I still managed to suck about 15ml out of it.

JOHN Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

Could someone point me to the exact link for replacement ink cart  video for Marrutts ink cart replacement and priming of Joe's video's.

Thank you Jonathan.

jtoolman
jtoolman Veteran Member • Posts: 6,765
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

JOHN wrote:

Could someone point me to the exact link for replacement ink cart video for Marrutts ink cart replacement and priming of Joe's video's.

Thank you Jonathan.

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ARPQ74_9N0

Besides a visit to my printing dungeon. I then move onto the proper way to Virgin fill a set of PRO 3800 refillable carts ( same as PRO 3880 ) with CONE inks and show priming procedure.

Joe

JOHN Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

Thanks joe,

How come Marrutts don't you about the priming of ink using the priming vent in their install video's?

Is it because they want you to waste ink?

Thanks again Jonathan.

jtoolman
jtoolman Veteran Member • Posts: 6,765
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JOHN wrote:

Thanks joe,

How come Marrutts don't you about the priming of ink using the priming vent in their install video's?

Is it because they want you to waste ink?

Thanks again Jonathan.

I have noticed they left out that tiny little detail when I did watch it.

I hope it was an oversight in their part because there is no such think as self priming 3800 / 3880 refillable carts.

Joe

JOHN Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
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When my inks  set are delivered today for my Epson Pro 3880 (I hope).

John at Marrutt's  said give him a ring and he will guide me through installation , I shall mention the fact that they have omitted the very important part of priming.

Thanks for the link and useful info especially about taping the chip down.

Regards Jonathan.

JOHN Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

Hi Joe,

Having looked at your Video my Carts are not the same as yours.

I have fill hole, vent hole right next to it .

On the other end of cart I have orange cap you take of so cart can breath.

I have the primer hole with bung which when you look into it has a small spring mechanism inside.

When you try to draw ink though the primer hole you get nothing at all .

Any ideas on this .

Regards Jonathan

jtoolman
jtoolman Veteran Member • Posts: 6,765
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

JOHN wrote:

Hi Joe,

Having looked at your Video my Carts are not the same as yours.

I have fill hole, vent hole right next to it .

On the other end of cart I have orange cap you take of so cart can breath.

I have the primer hole with bung which when you look into it has a small spring mechanism inside.

When you try to draw ink though the primer hole you get nothing at all .

Any ideas on this .

Regards Jonathan

In the video I explained that I modified my carts so I can refill them while still in the printer. Thus the NEW hole on the top front corner. Otherwise they are the same. All the 80 ml refillables are pretty much identical regardless of who sells them. The only differences are in the controller chips and how they operate to either reset the ink levels or keep constantly full.

See my photo. Please tell me how your are different, other than the top fill modification I performed.

Joe

JOHN Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

jtoolman wrote:

JOHN wrote:

Hi Joe,

Having looked at your Video my Carts are not the same as yours.

I have fill hole, vent hole right next to it .

On the other end of cart I have orange cap you take of so cart can breath.

I have the primer hole with bung which when you look into it has a small spring mechanism inside.

When you try to draw ink though the primer hole you get nothing at all .

Any ideas on this .

Regards Jonathan

In the video I explained that I modified my carts so I can refill them while still in the printer. Thus the NEW hole on the top front corner. Otherwise they are the same. All the 80 ml refillables are pretty much identical regardless of who sells them. The only differences are in the controller chips and how they operate to either reset the ink levels or keep constantly full.

See my photo. Please tell me how your are different, other than the top fill modification I performed.

Joe

Hi Joe,

Mine are the same BUT I still can not prime them for some reason.

Only difference is the filler whole you have put in .

Last night I refilled all tanks with supplied ink except PHOTO BLACK which I already had from previous order and nozzle check is not good on the PHOTO BACK 50% lines missing, is it possible faulty cart? and theirs a air leak or something?

Is their something wrong in the way I'm priming the cart watched your video on  this '

Thanks Jonathan.

jtoolman
jtoolman Veteran Member • Posts: 6,765
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

JOHN wrote:

jtoolman wrote:

JOHN wrote:

Hi Joe,

Having looked at your Video my Carts are not the same as yours.

I have fill hole, vent hole right next to it .

On the other end of cart I have orange cap you take of so cart can breath.

I have the primer hole with bung which when you look into it has a small spring mechanism inside.

When you try to draw ink though the primer hole you get nothing at all .

Any ideas on this .

Regards Jonathan

In the video I explained that I modified my carts so I can refill them while still in the printer. Thus the NEW hole on the top front corner. Otherwise they are the same. All the 80 ml refillables are pretty much identical regardless of who sells them. The only differences are in the controller chips and how they operate to either reset the ink levels or keep constantly full.

See my photo. Please tell me how your are different, other than the top fill modification I performed.

Joe

Hi Joe,

Mine are the same BUT I still can not prime them for some reason.

Only difference is the filler whole you have put in .

Last night I refilled all tanks with supplied ink except PHOTO BLACK which I already had from previous order and nozzle check is not good on the PHOTO BACK 50% lines missing, is it possible faulty cart? and theirs a air leak or something?

Did you remove the orange vent plug while priming? If you do not you can not prime as all you'll be doing is creating a vacuum.

Is their something wrong in the way I'm priming the cart watched your video on this '

Porbably.

Thanks Jonathan.

JOHN Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
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Hi Joe,

Thanks for your support.

My printer seem to be wrong and according to John at MARRUTTS i need to send it to a mate of his Ian Richards ex Epson tech, have contacted him and he has said what i was told to do with my printer + combination of wrong insructions and ink has proved to be fatal to the printer and it's now going to cost me around £150.00 + p&p to have it repaired .

So here we are after a faultless printer running on Epson perfectley ok the swoping ink and following Marrutts advice its cost me;

Marrutts ink £327.95 + approx repair £150.00 + new Epson ink £424 +£110.00 for postage TOTAL 1011.95.00 CHEAPER TO BUY A NEW PRINTER.

Not Happy at all.

John.

jtoolman
jtoolman Veteran Member • Posts: 6,765
Re: Marrutt refillable cartridges

JOHN wrote:

Hi Joe,

Thanks for your support.

My printer seem to be wrong and according to John at MARRUTTS i need to send it to a mate of his Ian Richards ex Epson tech, have contacted him and he has said what i was told to do with my printer + combination of wrong insructions and ink has proved to be fatal to the printer and it's now going to cost me around £150.00 + p&p to have it repaired .

So here we are after a faultless printer running on Epson perfectley ok the swoping ink and following Marrutts advice its cost me;

Marrutts ink £327.95 + approx repair £150.00 + new Epson ink £424 +£110.00 for postage TOTAL 1011.95.00 CHEAPER TO BUY A NEW PRINTER.

Not Happy at all.

John.

Marrut should Pay for these repairs!!!!

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