Would you buy a hypothetical NX30 if...

...if it were exactly like nx300 in every single spec (like the rumor suggests), with only added evf, at a cost of 800€ or more?

No

K, if you voted for the third, please specify how much you'd be willing to pay for it. Thanks. Otherwise, you can vote for the second.

tecnoworld wrote:

...if it were exactly like nx300 in every single spec (like the rumor suggests), with only added evf, at a cost of 800€ or more?

I would find it very very odd, that after a full year of releasing the NX300, Samsung would improve nothing on the camera... So I find it very unlikely that they release just an NX300 with the EVF (and tilt/swivel LCD). Although, I don't find that many serious shortcomings on the NX300 - the missing EVF and swivelling LCD and the limited buffer size come to mind.

I voted "no, unless the price was lower" because, of course the camera would be a camera with one year old tech. The NX300 is going for about 600€ with the kit lens around here, but I was thinking that even with the EVF and swivel LCD, the appropriate price would be around that amount, perhaps 600-650€. But to get the improved AF (that's the update that the NX20 needs the most) I would probably pay that sum. After all, Samsungs lenses are great and I trust that Samsung will release the missing lenses the following year (16-50/2.8, travel zoom, tele lenses)

But I think it would make sense for Samsung to release the new body with the kit option of the rumored and long awaited 16-50/2.8. I would definitely go for that body-lens kit version.

I paisd 570€ for the nx300 with 18-55mm, back in april. That's 8 months ago. Now here in Italy it is very common and easy to find the same kit for 450€ and, if you look around, the lowest price here is 416,50€. My bet is that it will fall well under 400€ with the beginning of the new year.

That said, if the nx30 has the same specs than nx300 plus evf, I wouldn't buy it anyway (at any price), since I would like bigger buffer, faster af, faster operational speed, better dr and better high iso performance. Thus I wouldn't like to pay for having the same specs of the one camera I had for one year...

With a lens I would pay $850 to $950 depending upon what is offered in the kit.

I looked at the competition on B&H's website.

Fuji has a $350 difference, body only, between the XM-1 and XE-2.

Sony has a $250 difference between the NEX 7 and 6 kits, but the NEX 7 kit has an additional lens, but only $100 difference between the NEX 6 and 5t kits.

The NX 300 kit is $699 (with the 18-55) in black, but $549 in brown! And the Brown 20 to 55 kit is $649!! That's crazy!!:-O

I voted no - but i would buy a new NX if it had a swivel EVF or better RAW processing time.

tecnoworld wrote:

I paisd 570€ for the nx300 with 18-55mm, back in april. That's 8 months ago. Now here in Italy it is very common and easy to find the same kit for 450€ and, if you look around, the lowest price here is 416,50€. My bet is that it will fall well under 400€ with the beginning of the new year.

That said, if the nx30 has the same specs than nx300 plus evf, I wouldn't buy it anyway (at any price), since I would like bigger buffer, faster af, faster operational speed, better dr and better high iso performance. Thus I wouldn't like to pay for having the same specs of the one camera I had for one year...

Ok, so prices in Finland are much higher than in Italy, that's for sure. You lucky ***tards.

But let's be realistic. Like I've said previously, I don't find any fault in the NX300's sensor (dr, high ISO performance). If you compare it to the competition (just don't talk to me about dxo numbers, I mean actual use with ACR) the sensor easily matches the competition. Bigger buffer should be easy to provide and we won't know the buffer size until we see the camera (not that I personally need that big a buffer, because these cameras are not that cut for action photography). As far as AF goes, I need reliability (NX300 is already very reliable to my understanding) and ability focus in poor light - AF speed is of secondary importance to me and I think I would be plenty satisfied with NX300 AF speed. And you won't find anything better from other APS-C mirrorless cameras.

The iq from nx300 is not faulty at all, but then also that from nx100 was  faulty. It could be better, and the following models (and competitors) proved that.

The same is true for the 20mp sensor. It's good, but far from the best. Smaller m4/3 sensors are catching up with it (gx7 and em5/1). Canon apart, all the other modern aps-c cameras have better high iso performance and dr.

So, yes, I think samsung should invest in a new sensor and do it as soon as possible, if they want to get any attention from press and customers.

I won't be considering any camera that doesn't have an articulating screen.

Haha, not my intention  I don't think I have such 'obscure' power...and I didn't report the rumor. It was somebody else.

I'm just scared by the last year's strategies from samsung and I hope they can improve, instead of standing still many steps behind the others.

Anyway...we'll see

tecnoworld wrote:

The same is true for the 20mp sensor. It's good, but far from the best. Smaller m4/3 sensors are catching up with it (gx7 and em5/1). Canon apart, all the other modern aps-c cameras have better high iso performance and dr.

Any difference that you may find in today's sensors is negligible

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=samsung_nx300&attr13_1=oly_em5&attr13_2=sony_nex6&attr13_3=panasonic_dmcgx7&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=3200&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=3200&attr16_3=3200&normalization=full&widget=1&x=0.8604130694816944&y=0.9868522935674315

All the sensors are doing so well, the differences are insignificant. I have to say, that micro43 sensors have come a long way from what they started. But I still don't like the m43 aspect ratio or the DOF disadvantage. Also, the m43 lenses are not physically smaller than APS-C lenses from Samsung (except the GM1 kit zoom lens, that thing is sweet.) Also true, that Canon has been slightly dragging behind on the sensor technology department lately, but their non-commitment to produce a decent mirrorless camera is even more noteworthy.

Arm wrote

Also, the m43 lenses are not physically smaller than APS-C lenses from Samsung (except the GM1 kit zoom lens, that thing is sweet.)

Yes good point about lens size.  Also the M43 camera bodies in question despite smaller sensors are larger/heavier than the NX300 (NX1000 smaller and lighter again)

NX300   122 x 64 x 41mm   280g

E-M5     122 x 89 x 43mm   425g

E-M1     130 x 94 x 63mm   497g

G7        123 x 71 x 55mm   402g

most of the rumours suggest that it has a new sensor at 20MP with Phase Detection. Even if it is basically the NX300 sensor with hybrid AF I'm happy (so long as it works) 
for me it is more about the 16-50 f2.8 that lens existing will keep me with Samsung until I go Full Frame.

The nx300 has already phase detection and 105 pd focus points.

tecnoworld wrote:

The nx300 has already phase detection and 105 pd focus points.

Oh neat I was not aware of that. The NXx00 series doesn't interest me I knew the sensor was different but I some how missed that. 
Well that does bring up another point that I make in the other thread (or will as I'm posting this first) the NXx0 isn't the flagship camera so it won't have the new tech.

nobody is voting this anymore?