RX10 lens stabilation problem

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Vesku Senior Member • Posts: 2,951
RX10 lens stabilation problem

I have considered to buy a RX10 but I think there might be an issue.

In RX10 handheld clips I see strange micro vibration. Big movements are stabilized very well but little vibration jitter is still there. I dont know where it comes (vimeo or YT recompression or 60/30p conversion?). I saw same kind of vibration in my friends NEX5 and NEX6 video. It is kind of disturbing in big plasma screen. Can you guys see it? It is though hard to see because everyone are so exited about RX10 fine zoom that these videos are hardly any time still and steady.

Every time I see steady Sony shots I figured tripod use or editor stabilation.

Many of you have this RX10. Have you figured anything of issue I told?

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Zoran K Contributing Member • Posts: 770
Re: RX10 lens stabilation problem

Vesku wrote:

I have considered to buy a RX10 but I think there might be an issue.

In RX10 handheld clips I see strange micro vibration. Big movements are stabilized very well but little vibration jitter is still there. I dont know where it comes (vimeo or YT recompression or 60/30p conversion?). I saw same kind of vibration in my friends NEX5 and NEX6 video. It is kind of disturbing in big plasma screen. Can you guys see it? It is though hard to see because everyone are so exited about RX10 fine zoom that these videos are hardly any time still and steady.

Every time I see steady Sony shots I figured tripod use or editor stabilation.

Many of you have this RX10. Have you figured anything of issue I told?

Maybe something like this ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5It6M8dv1k&feature=youtu.be

OP Vesku Senior Member • Posts: 2,951
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Is this RX10?? Or some Sony. That looks very bad. But anyway something liket hat but not so obvious.

Zoran K Contributing Member • Posts: 770
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Vesku wrote:

Is this RX10?? Or some Sony. That looks very bad. But anyway something liket hat but not so obvious.

Yes, it is RX10. I am not talking about that bad light flickering, but about the fine shimmering specifically noticeable in the first part of the video. That must be result of the lens stabilization hard work to compensate for bad handling of the camera.

OP Vesku Senior Member • Posts: 2,951
Re: RX10 lens stabilation problem

I have nothing like this in my gh3 and panasonic lenses.

Biological_Viewfinder Senior Member • Posts: 2,207
Re: RX10 lens stabilation problem
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Vesku wrote:

I have considered to buy a RX10 but I think there might be an issue.

Can you guys see it? It is though hard to see

Here you are Mr. Vesku, your brand new Ferrari. Enjoy!

What? What do you mean there's an issue that's difficult to notice?

Huh? There's a slight rattle when you're going exactly 48mph?

You don't want the car because of this thing that almost no one can notice?

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Zoran K Contributing Member • Posts: 770
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Vesku wrote:

I have nothing like this in my gh3 and panasonic lenses.

I also didn't noticed that watching the video from my friend's hacked GH3... video, that compared to the one from my Nikon V1, look like 4K recording.

OP Vesku Senior Member • Posts: 2,951
Re: RX10 lens stabilation problem

Zoran K wrote:

Vesku wrote:

I have nothing like this in my gh3 and panasonic lenses.

I also didn't noticed that watching the video from my friend's hacked GH3... video, that compared to the one from my Nikon V1, look like 4K recording.

Hmm.. GH3 is not hacked yet... I dont get what you are meaning, GH3 is not that good.

Some has said that RX10 has better video than GH3 and I can confirm that RX10 resampling is better than GH3s. Ultimate resolution at least in luminance is a bit better in RX10.

I think that many will buy RX10 for its video capabilities. If there is a vibration problem I think it is serious matter. I dont want to stabilize every clip in editor. I dont have RX10 so I cant study this issue more.

And for that Ferrari guy I say that I would be worried if one of Ferraris tyres vibrates when driving 300km/h in track.

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PC Wheeler Forum Pro • Posts: 17,511
Re: RX10 lens stabilation problem

Zoran K wrote:

Vesku wrote:

I have nothing like this in my gh3 and panasonic lenses.

I also didn't noticed that watching the video from my friend's hacked GH3... video, that compared to the one from my Nikon V1, look like 4K recording.

Hacked GH2 perhaps?

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Zoran K Contributing Member • Posts: 770
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PC Wheeler wrote:

Zoran K wrote:

Vesku wrote:

I have nothing like this in my gh3 and panasonic lenses.

I also didn't noticed that watching the video from my friend's hacked GH3... video, that compared to the one from my Nikon V1, look like 4K recording.

Hacked GH2 perhaps?

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Phil

Yes GH2, my mistake.

We compared video recordings (same objects at the same tame) of our cameras on a big LCD screen ... V1 was simply outclassed.    I have never ever seen better video recording of any digital photo or video camera. Simply breathtaking.

OP Vesku Senior Member • Posts: 2,951
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Zoran K wrote:

PC Wheeler wrote:

Zoran K wrote:

Vesku wrote:

I have nothing like this in my gh3 and panasonic lenses.

I also didn't noticed that watching the video from my friend's hacked GH3... video, that compared to the one from my Nikon V1, look like 4K recording.

Hacked GH2 perhaps?

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Phil

Yes GH2, my mistake.

We compared video recordings (same objects at the same tame) of our cameras on a big LCD screen ... V1 was simply outclassed. I have never ever seen better video recording of any digital photo or video camera. Simply breathtaking.

Ok great but what is this doing with original topic?

Please can someone test this issue for me? Am I just worrying for nothing?

Zoran K Contributing Member • Posts: 770
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Vesku wrote:

Zoran K wrote:

PC Wheeler wrote:

Zoran K wrote:

Vesku wrote:

I have nothing like this in my gh3 and panasonic lenses.

I also didn't noticed that watching the video from my friend's hacked GH3... video, that compared to the one from my Nikon V1, look like 4K recording.

Hacked GH2 perhaps?

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Phil

Yes GH2, my mistake.

We compared video recordings (same objects at the same tame) of our cameras on a big LCD screen ... V1 was simply outclassed. I have never ever seen better video recording of any digital photo or video camera. Simply breathtaking.

Ok great but what is this doing with original topic?

Please can someone test this issue for me? Am I just worrying for nothing?

OK, I noticed that shimmering occasionally on a linked video and I believe that this artifact can be minimize or totally avoid with careful camera handling.

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Corkcampbell Forum Pro • Posts: 17,147
Geez...why don't you stop writing these posts and just buy an RX10?
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If you don't like it, sell it. Don't expect other people to do your testing for you.

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inti4444 Senior Member • Posts: 1,103
Re: RX10 lens stabilation problem

Bad handling, I made this video I cannot say that I handled the camera bad, all shots were taken without tripod.

OP Vesku Senior Member • Posts: 2,951
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Corkcampbell wrote:

If you don't like it, sell it. Don't expect other people to do your testing for you.

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OP Vesku Senior Member • Posts: 2,951
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Biological_Viewfinder Senior Member • Posts: 2,207
I can SEE!!!

Vesku wrote:

Cant you see it?

https://vimeo.com/82513652

https://vimeo.com/81056018

I can see that the Sony Rx10 is not a $2500 camera, even though you so desperately want it to be.

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RnF Regular Member • Posts: 442
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There are three settings for Stabilization for Movie Mode.

Active

Standard

Off

If I was to guess, these videos had the option for Active enabled.  It slightly crops the image if I understand it correctly, basically the same way software IS correction does it.  It's possible that is what you are seeing.

Having the camera set to Standard or turning off the IS completely would most likely solve this issue.  Don't you want to turn the IS off anyway if you are serious about videos and use a really nice tripod?

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fototakas New Member • Posts: 21
Re: RX10 lens stabilation problem

@Vesku

As RnF is saying, we don't know what stabilization setting was used on those videos.

Another cause of such micro stutters can be from frame rate conversion, that must be done if you are trying to play it on TV or PC monitor that is set to different frame rate comparing to the filmed video frame rate. To avoid such problems, TV or Monitor should be set to the same frame rate as filmed video: if video is 24fps -> TV or monitor should be set to 24fps, video 50fps > TV 50fps and so on... Good media players should do this switching automatically, but usually is not the case for PC media player!

OP Vesku Senior Member • Posts: 2,951
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Another one. Nothing to do with framerates with this one. I see careless shooting but stabilizer should work better in my opinion.

http://vimeo.com/81309723

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