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Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

Started Nov 3, 2013 | User reviews
JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.
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Product: Canon 16-35L II

Type of use: Commercial landscape photography

Cameras used: 6D and 5D2

Website: http://www.johaneickmeyer.com

I've had this lens for nearly two years now and thought I would post a review of what I think is good and bad about the 16-35L II. I shoot 100% landscapes and have taken tens of thousands of shots using this lens. I have also owned the Nikon 14-24 and Canon 17-40.

If you want test shot comparisons, I recommend trying out this site. My review is based more on a culmination of extensive research and personal experience.
The Digital Picture

Handling:

I really love the way this lens handles and how reliable it has been with use in some rugged conditions. The zoom and focus rings are silky smooth even after many days and nights of use. They remain smooth in both hot and cold weather. The focus ring has a decently long throw from min to infinity which makes it easy to gain precise focus. I found the 17-40 was just as nice, but the 14-24 has much shorter throw in the focus ring along with a not very smooth action of the rings.

The front element moves back and forth when zoomed and at around 28mm it sits the farthest back into the lens for protection. I leave it at 28mm whenever not in use or when moving locations with the lens exposed.

I use a Lee 4x4 filter setup for both ND and polarizer filters. The filter holder threads on the lens with much ease and remains secure when rotating the filters.

Image quality:

This lens gets dogged on a lot for not having class leading image sharpness. In the center of the frame, the Nikon 16-35 and 14-24 are a bit better for similar focal lengths. In the corners, the 14-24 has a good lead wide open, but not as much when stopped down. The Nikon 16-35 though is about as bad as it can get for the corners where there is nearly no detail at all, just mush. What I do like about the Canon 16-35 II is that the sharpness is evenly spread across most of the frame and there is no dramatic falloff from center to edge sharpness. I find this to be very important for landscape photography. I am happy printing single frame shots from the Canon lens up to 40x60inches. I often stitch and focus stack my images, so it's rare to have any limitation when printing at any giant size.

I've been printing this one at 7 feet wide and it has tons of detail.

When it comes to barrel distortion, the game seems to switch sides in favor of the Canon 16-35II. I have never once needed to correct distortion in the Canon lens for any landscape. While present, it looks very natural and well controlled. The two Nikon lenses are considerably worse in this regard and may lose some FOV when corrected. Even the Canon 17-40 has a slight bit more distortion at the wide end, which I found needed to be corrected in some cases.

When it comes to flare resistance, I find the 16-35 II to be about average for UWA zooms. I personally think the 17-40 and even the 10-22 Canon lenses to be better throughout the zoom range for general flare resistance. But, while the 16-35II is average for flare resistance, this seems to translate into a better sun star effect when stopping down the lens. I personally think the sun stars from the 16-35II are some of the best that any lens can produce. They are just amazing when done right with this lens.

For night time photography of stars, I find the 16-35II to be sub par, especially when compared to the Nikon 14-24. The most dramatic issue for me is vignetting when shot at f2.8. The Canon loses nearly 3 stops in the corners, which is a royal pain in the butt when shooting a 5D2. Lifting high ISO levels on the 5D2 resulted in disaster when pushed 3+ stops. Luckily the Canon 6D I have now, does a much better job at holding together when pushed hard at extreme ISO levels, but still just barely makes vignetting removal OK with the 16-35II. The Nikon 14-24 only loses a little over a stop in the corners wide open and is a better star lens by a large margin IMO.

Stitching images helps remove vignetting issues when overlapped by more than 2/3 for each frame.

Overall, I think the 16-35II holds its own pretty well when all factors are considered. I think too many people focus on center frame sharpness when comparing lenses for landscape photography, when in my personal experience things like distortion and sharpness evenness can be just as important. For a lens that does not have a giant front element, it does rather well to similar designs. The 14-24 does better in some regards likely due to the massive front element helping bring in more light and sharpness to the image sensor.

Extra notes:

The 16-35LII often gets compared to the 17-40. On the surface, this is a valid comparison for most people, but I think these are very different lenses when you get down to the details. If you don't shoot at the wide end most of the time, like having 40mm, and don't shoot at night often, then the 17-40 is a bargain lens. I personally find 16mm is noticeably wider than 17mm, and also has less distortion at 16mm than the other at 17mm. There is also slightly less vignetting when shot wide open with 16mm vs. 17mm. For nighttime shooting the extra stop of light gathering from the 2.8 lens can make a considerable difference to exposure times and/or noise levels. It also means that the vignetted corners don't have to be lifted as much in post production to gain an equal brightness level given the same time and ISO settings. There is also the 1 stop gain in viewfinder and LCD brightness when shooting in dim situations. I try to keep my camera bag limited to two zoom lenses for weight reasons, while maintaining as much versatility as possible in various shooting situations. I find the 16-35 offers me a more versatile package for my shooting style. The price difference should be expected as with any f4 and f2.8 variants on lenses, and I find the added f2.8 to be more useful for landscapes than most people give credit for.

I do wish Canon would release a 14-24 or similar lens with hopefully equal or better performance than the Nikon version, especially when it concerns barrel distortion. One problem with carrying such a lens though, is the added weight of both the body and the extra large filter kit needed for 14mm and the huge front element. I might find it hard to take such a setup over the 16-35II when my backpack is already pushing 50-60 lbs with camping gear alone.

Canon EF 16-35mm F2.8L II USM
Wideangle zoom lens • Canon EF • 1910B002
Announced: Feb 22, 2007
JoEick's score
4.5
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jimbrobb Contributing Member • Posts: 781
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

Some really beautiful shots there.

Jim

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OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

jimbrobb wrote:

Some really beautiful shots there.

Jim

Thanks, Jim!

rebel99 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,025
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.
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fabulous shots! would you recommend the canon 24 f1.4II for night shots, if you have used it and what lenses do you recommend for that purpose? how long do you leave the shutter open before the earth movement effects the frame? thanks

cheerz.

OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
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rebel99 wrote:

fabulous shots! would you recommend the canon 24 f1.4II for night shots, if you have used it and what lenses do you recommend for that purpose? how long do you leave the shutter open before the earth movement effects the frame? thanks

cheerz.

Thanks!

The Canon 24L II is known for having great night shot capabilities. My only problem is the 24mm isn't very wide and may need multiple shots stitched together for a wider field of view. I tend to always shoot night shots at 16mm. 14mm would be a little better if I still had a 14-24. I personally think for night shots of the milky way, a Nikon 14-24 can't be beat at 14mm, even by prime lenses.

For 16mm, I tend to try using a shutter length of 20 seconds at ISO 12800, but only with the latest generation of sensors like the 6D which has exquisite high ISO ability. My 5D2 would fall to pieces starting at ISO 3200 with noise, banding, and color casting.

If you use a longer focal length, you need to also use a longer shutter like 30 seconds and/or a wider aperture like f1.4. It must be noted that a 1.4 lens does not actually bring that much more light into the sensor than a 2.8, due to the way digital sensors are designed. It is still an improvement though and will at least give a brighter viewfinder.

It also depends on where you are pointed into the sky. Directly West and East is where the stars move the fastest and North and South the slowest. I will go to 30 seconds or more for some shots pointing North.

Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,312
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

If you are stitching and focus stacking landscapes, why not just carry the 24L or indeed the 24 TS-E II?

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Pultzar Senior Member • Posts: 1,529
Samyang 14mm for night shots

The Samyang 14mm is pretty unbeatable for night star shots.  It has almost zero coma wide open.

Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee
Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee Veteran Member • Posts: 6,490
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I'm not really into landscape but I've always done some and have a 17-40 a 20 F2.8 etc.

That's however not the point.

Your shots show a level of dedication, eye and knowledge that's hard to beat.

Bravo!

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OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: Samyang 14mm for night shots

Pultzar wrote:

The Samyang 14mm is pretty unbeatable for night star shots. It has almost zero coma wide open.

I personally find vignetting to be the most problematic issue with lenses. In this case, the SamBowYang 14mm has 3.2 stops of vignetting in the corners wide open. Nikon 14-24 destroys it in this regard.

OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

Abu Mahendra wrote:

If you are stitching and focus stacking landscapes, why not just carry the 24L or indeed the 24 TS-E II?

Well, first of all, it is not always possible to stitch or focus stack, even though I try as often as I can. On top of that, the prime lenses need to be cropped if you want a narrower field of view, or carry many prime lenses. Versatility in a single lens trumps everything else for the style of photography I do. Changing lenses often brings in more dust and in some cases there is too much mist in the air to have the camera exposed to the insides for even a fraction of a second.

TS lenses are not weather sealed and do not zoom, but they do take tele converters. I personally think they are cool and fun, but might be better suited for architecture photography. TS lenses were more useful in the film days when everything needed to be correct at the time of exposure. These days, zoom lenses are much higher in quality than before, and digital imaging has allowed for stitching and other tricks to make the best of them. I would guess that the vast majority of professional landscapers today, use zoom lenses.

If I did landscapes as a hobby, I would probably have all sorts of different primes and stuff to play with. It's fun! I need to make a living at this, which brings a whole different set of needs. Getting the shot always trumps fun and playing with various lenses. I also have to keep my weight to a minimum as I am a skinny dude and can't carry much weight on top of camping gear.

OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: Samyang 14mm for night shots

Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee wrote:

I'm not really into landscape but I've always done some and have a 17-40 a 20 F2.8 etc.

That's however not the point.

Your shots show a level of dedication, eye and knowledge that's hard to beat.

Bravo!

Thanks, man!

Pultzar Senior Member • Posts: 1,529
Re: Samyang 14mm for night shots

I think it depends on what you are trying to do.  I use mine for time lapse and having stars transform into flying birds towards the edges of the frame is distracting (this would happen with the Canon 24mm EF II for example).  I also don't care about the corners as I'm cropping towards the central portion of the image for a 2.4:1 aspect ratio.

However for a single shot, the noise introduced from vignetting correction would be more difficult to deal with than fixing the coma on a few bright stars.

I may have to rent the Nikon someday and try it out.  Thanks for the nice information!

rebel99 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,025
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JoEick wrote:

rebel99 wrote:

fabulous shots! would you recommend the canon 24 f1.4II for night shots, if you have used it and what lenses do you recommend for that purpose? how long do you leave the shutter open before the earth movement effects the frame? thanks

cheerz.

Thanks!

The Canon 24L II is known for having great night shot capabilities. My only problem is the 24mm isn't very wide and may need multiple shots stitched together for a wider field of view. I tend to always shoot night shots at 16mm. 14mm would be a little better if I still had a 14-24. I personally think for night shots of the milky way, a Nikon 14-24 can't be beat at 14mm, even by prime lenses.

For 16mm, I tend to try using a shutter length of 20 seconds at ISO 12800, but only with the latest generation of sensors like the 6D which has exquisite high ISO ability. My 5D2 would fall to pieces starting at ISO 3200 with noise, banding, and color casting.

If you use a longer focal length, you need to also use a longer shutter like 30 seconds and/or a wider aperture like f1.4. It must be noted that a 1.4 lens does not actually bring that much more light into the sensor than a 2.8, due to the way digital sensors are designed. It is still an improvement though and will at least give a brighter viewfinder.

It also depends on where you are pointed into the sky. Directly West and East is where the stars move the fastest and North and South the slowest. I will go to 30 seconds or more for some shots pointing North.

JoEick,

thanks for your lengthy response, i appreciate you sharing the knowledge of your night photography with us you mentioned the nikon 14-24mm as the best lens for night photography, what makes this lens so good for this task, although, i have heard about the iq performance of this lens quite a bit, which is great. once again, thanks for the response.

cheerz.

OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

rebel99 wrote:

JoEick wrote:

rebel99 wrote:

fabulous shots! would you recommend the canon 24 f1.4II for night shots, if you have used it and what lenses do you recommend for that purpose? how long do you leave the shutter open before the earth movement effects the frame? thanks

cheerz.

Thanks!

The Canon 24L II is known for having great night shot capabilities. My only problem is the 24mm isn't very wide and may need multiple shots stitched together for a wider field of view. I tend to always shoot night shots at 16mm. 14mm would be a little better if I still had a 14-24. I personally think for night shots of the milky way, a Nikon 14-24 can't be beat at 14mm, even by prime lenses.

For 16mm, I tend to try using a shutter length of 20 seconds at ISO 12800, but only with the latest generation of sensors like the 6D which has exquisite high ISO ability. My 5D2 would fall to pieces starting at ISO 3200 with noise, banding, and color casting.

If you use a longer focal length, you need to also use a longer shutter like 30 seconds and/or a wider aperture like f1.4. It must be noted that a 1.4 lens does not actually bring that much more light into the sensor than a 2.8, due to the way digital sensors are designed. It is still an improvement though and will at least give a brighter viewfinder.

It also depends on where you are pointed into the sky. Directly West and East is where the stars move the fastest and North and South the slowest. I will go to 30 seconds or more for some shots pointing North.

JoEick,

thanks for your lengthy response, i appreciate you sharing the knowledge of your night photography with us you mentioned the nikon 14-24mm as the best lens for night photography, what makes this lens so good for this task, although, i have heard about the iq performance of this lens quite a bit, which is great. once again, thanks for the response.

cheerz.

Very low vignetting in the corners, sharp at f2.8, and it is nice and wide.

I have to correct myself though. Longer focal lengths need shorted exposure times, not longer, due to star movement being more pronounced.

OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: Samyang 14mm for night shots

Pultzar wrote:

I think it depends on what you are trying to do. I use mine for time lapse and having stars transform into flying birds towards the edges of the frame is distracting (this would happen with the Canon 24mm EF II for example). I also don't care about the corners as I'm cropping towards the central portion of the image for a 2.4:1 aspect ratio.

However for a single shot, the noise introduced from vignetting correction would be more difficult to deal with than fixing the coma on a few bright stars.

I may have to rent the Nikon someday and try it out. Thanks for the nice information!

I used the 14-24 with a D800, not a Canon. I never used it with an adapter for Canon, which may or may not be a PIA. Lens Rentals offers both the lens and adapter though. Give it a go!

jayboo Senior Member • Posts: 2,366
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Beautiful images, and a great review. My widest lens is 24mm, because while I love looking at wonderful landscape photography, I am rubbish at taking it, but I wanted to congratulate you and thank you for sharing.

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Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,312
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

Two questions:

1. What's the best dedicated stitching and stacking software out there?

2. What's the best free dedicated stitching and stacking software out there?

Thanks.

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OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
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jayboo wrote:

Beautiful images, and a great review. My widest lens is 24mm, because while I love looking at wonderful landscape photography, I am rubbish at taking it, but I wanted to congratulate you and thank you for sharing.

Everyone has a given amount of bad photos inside their heads. Taking photos runs the well of bad photos dry. It took me around 40,000 photos to clear out my garbage.

OP JoEick Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

Abu Mahendra wrote:

Two questions:

1. What's the best dedicated stitching and stacking software out there?

2. What's the best free dedicated stitching and stacking software out there?

Thanks.

I don't use free programs, but you can download a trial version of PT Gui, which is my favorite.

It needs to be noted that not any single stitching software is 100% perfect. Sometimes PT Gui fails and Adobe Photoshop CC works, but usually PT Gui does the best job.

lemming2008 Regular Member • Posts: 488
Re: Two years of landscapes - a Canon 16-35L II review.

Really breathtaking work, thank you for sharing the shots and the excellent review!

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