What's missing from Samsung?

It's even a bigger problem when they don't copy others...look at the terrible galaxy nx...a tool conceived by someone who knows nothing about photography...

Galaxy zoom s4, imo, is the successor to galaxy camera, while galaxy nx is a frankenstein hybrid among nx20, nx300 and a galaxy s3 with a worse display.

I know they did something right, otherwise I wouldn't have bought three nx cameras. The nx100 was very good for the times and nx300 is as well, apart for the lack of optional evf and the tiny buffer. I think it's one of the best aps-c mirrorless and the best w/o evf.

Still, I fear for the future of nx line, especially now that both smaller sensored cameras (eg omd-em1) and bigger sensored cameras (eg sony a7) are very aggressive and interesting. Will samsung be able to compete with those, with a nx30? Or will it follow a suicidal path with the 'smart camera' concept?

I've used both and I admit I prefer tilting (like nx300).

Love the NX300 but I need a better lens than the 50-200 zoom (better = quality and focal length).  To rephrase, I want a longer reach with some significant glass.  I realize that the lens could be somewhat big and potentially unbalanced but to get a decent bird or wildlife shot I need a 300mm lens minimum (would prefer a 400).  Not asking for f2.8 but f4 might be nice.  With one decent telephoto or long zoom (no superzoom please) I would be entirely happy with this system.  Perhaps I ask too much but I think not.

DavinaG wrote:

Love the NX300 but I need a better lens than the 50-200 zoom (better = quality and focal length). To rephrase, I want a longer reach with some significant glass. I realize that the lens could be somewhat big and potentially unbalanced but to get a decent bird or wildlife shot I need a 300mm lens minimum (would prefer a 400). Not asking for f2.8 but f4 might be nice. With one decent telephoto or long zoom (no superzoom please) I would be entirely happy with this system. Perhaps I ask too much but I think not.

Birds shots maybe something too "professional". It is popular among photographers, but not that popular among other consumers. And that lens would be heavy and expensive for a mirrorless system. So maybe samsung won't release this kind of lens recently:-(. Perhaps some 3rd manufactors will provide long facal length lens? But of course, manual focus- -!

There seems to be a vocal group of people that feel that Mirrorless is useless once you get useful glass that can be used for more then Landscape, Travel and Street. This group seems to think that if you would want longer, faster glass that you might as well buy a DSLR. These seem to be the same people that only want to shoot JPG and feel that the JPG engine is among the most important elements of the camera. 
For me I went Mirrorless and I think several Photographers are similar, was a choice because of the options that become available to you when shooting Mirrorless, but I shoot more then just landscapes, and I don't want to have to buy a second camera to do that. 
The biggest issue for Samsung is that they say they take the Mirrorless market seriously, but then release cameras like the Galaxy NX and have yet to release significant numbers of glass, or partnered with 3rd party lens companies. 
I like the NX20 but yes I would like to have a few lens' available to me that are useful for something like parties, weddings, wildlife, events and the like. a 50-135/150 2.8, a 18/20-50 2.8 100mm Macro, 300mm F4, These are the work horse lens' that are still not out. 
I'd also love a grown up menu system, which is also a sign that Samsung isn't targeting photographers. 
and a Wifi App that gave more then Auto control. Also a sign they aren't targeting photographers. 
I've been asked about my camera many times, what people see is me loosing a shot because of lock ups, me changing batteries three times during a day long shoot. Most seem to think it is a neat idea, and takes great photos, but not one person has considered buying it.

Hehe, I see myself in your last sentence. I have a lot of friends with canon and nikon, some with pentax and sony, none with nx. So when they see my equipment they first think I'm a bit weird, then, after seeing the pics, they appreciate the quality, but none of them ever considered to buy into nx as well...not even when I tried to sell my nx200 with 20-50mm at 250€....

The omd-em1 has a much better tether mode than galaxy nx has, and soon enough all other cameras will. Instead the galaxy nx has NOT what all others have. That's a fact and that's why so few are happy with it. If you are one of those few, of course it's nice that samsung released a product you like, but you have to realize that the interest in such a product is very - very - limited, as the posts here and on other sites witness. Anyway just the 'future' will be able to tell the success/unsuccess of this product.

NewForce wrote:

For your lost of some shot, it does not equal to Samsung fault. There's millions of other people carrying a much simple camera model or old camera who's also lost many shots, so they should blame the camera makers? I don't think so. It's all about planning.

Oh, surely I blame Samsung for my NX20 of the year 2012 to be not on par speedwise with a DSLR of the year 2004. If I switch on one of my older DSLRs (Nikon or Fujifilm), it's immediately usable. If I change the mode, I don't have to wait. Even storing away of RAWs (except the Fuji) is much faster. Please keep in mind, that I got my Nikon D70 2004, I don't even compare with my D700 of 2009...

Ok, mostly I'm satisfied with my NX20, because it's lightwight, the image quality is great and the kit I take with me is small. It contains the NX20 and lenses from 12 to135mm and fits into the same bag, I use to carry the D700 with the 24-70 only. If I need a fast camera, I take the Nikon. But sometimes the slow speed of the NX is just annoying and the reliability could be much better!

Whats missing from Samsung, is where do they want to go with NX. Even if the Samsung 2/135 OIS I'm waiting for would appear out of thin air today, I won't buy it, since I don't know if the NX20 will get a usable replacement next year. The Galaxy NX is not the way I want to take...

Apart from lenses, I don't see anything wrong with Samsung released Galaxy NX.

The price !

Newforce I'm sorry that you seem offended by my opinion of the current state of the NX system and that I have a desire for it to improve, I understand and accept that you think it is perfect or nearly so and nothing I say will change your mind.

Isn't this a thread about saying what is missing from Samsung?

I think a serious desire to be in the Mirrorless Market full stop is something that is missing. They are producing Gimmicky products more then serious contenders.

The Galaxy NX is a Gimmick not a fully function camera, the EVF on it is totally useless as putting your eye to it removes every feature of the camera. It's Wifi apps are geared toward the consumers of it's point and shoots not to the people that might like manual controls.

It released a 3D lens. ... 3D... it took time to develop a 3D lens in 2013 over say a work horse lens like 18-50 f4 or f2.8

In the 30 months that I have been using Samsung Cameras (NX11 and then NX20) Samsing has put out a 85, 60, 18-200, 45, 12-24, 10. plus 2 new versions of the 50-200 and several white and pink lens. And has formed no partnerships with 3rd party manufacturers. (well Lens baby)
Sony (a system I compare Samsung to as they were about on par when I choose Samsung over Sony) on the other hand, has produced 8 new lens plus 2 additional lens' with the Zeiss name and formed deals with Tamron and Sigma who have produced several more. B&H currently lists 25 unique lens between them. The only major glaring issues are a strong Portrait Long Prime and Longer Macro. (30mm really?)

I like Samsung I want them to do better, I pointed out the issues that have cropped up. If I'm on a photowalk, the battery length issue is easy to deal with, I have three it gets me through a day of shooting in the winter. It is much harder to explain why I have to stop turn off the camera and pull the battery 3 times a day because the camera locked up. Or why I have to wait for so long when I use features that the camera doesn't have the buffer, software or processor to support. (8fps for anything but studio work is a one shot hail mary because if you miss it you won't get another chance for most things) they could have used 6fps and might have made it work, but they wanted gimmick stats.

A consistent and dedicated long term plan to produce a full featured, quality CSC, accessories and partnerships is what is missing more then anything else from Samsung right now. Which is a shame because they have my favourite APS-C body.

You know what's really missing from samsung? Listening to customers. Their recent nx cameras show the huge potential they have, yet show how unaware of real photographical necessities the developer team is. Just listening to customers you can make a succesful product, all the marketing theories are about this.

If samsung just read this forum would understand how bad the galaxy nx is for a photographer and how bad is the lack of optional evf in nx300. We'll see if they can improve, at least considering how interest is aroused by concurrent products like those from sony, panasonic and olympus.