What's missing from Samsung?

Well I have been following the Sony A7/A7R leaks hard recently and have really lusted after the A7. It would take a lot of cash just to get me into just a 2 lens setup. It got me to thinking what am I really missing from my current Samsung setup. I currently own the NX210, 18-55, 12-24 and 50-200. Here is what I came up...

1. I would like faster glass preferably something with a constant aperture. Some reasonably priced f4 zooms would be nice if 2.8's aren't an option.
2. Some fast primes would be a treat and something a 300mm focal length would be cool
3. Weather sealed lenses and bodies. This is just a nice to have.
4. A professionally styled & implemented menu system. What the have now is pretty solid but I dislike the goofy animations when changing a dial. I will say Samsung is better than most with the interface.
5. Refined controls/buttons. 
6. Refine body design to improve the feel of the grip.
7. An articulated touchscreen display is a must have.
8. A high quality EVF with bonus points for it being tilt-able.
9. Have best in class sensor. Right now I would like some more dynamic range and much better hi ISO performance.

Rant over. What do you guys miss?

I would settle for point 9 bring on the NX30

I'm with you for #2 (I'd like a 24mm, 35mm and 55mm, all of them f1.4 or even f1.2), #5 (I'd want the rear wheel to come back), #7 (screen of nx300m is quite perfect), #8 (an evf MUCH better than that of nx20 is REQUIRED, at least on pare with the new omd), #9 (I'd like a new 30mp sensor with 1 step improvement in high iso noise and dr over nx300).

Besides I'd like a big buffer for raw files (25+ pics in a row), a rangefinder style body, IBIS ala olympus, faster af, better focus tracking, focus peaking in video, selectable focus peaking area for manual lenses.

I keep looking at all these new cameras until I see that they don't have articulating screens. Then I realise that I am better off for now with my EX1!

What is it with tilting screens? If you are going to the trouble and expense of including a moveable screen why not make it fully articulating?

I like the Sony RX10 concept - except for the tilting screen.

I would like a wider non fisheye pancake than the 16mm lens, what about 13mm?

And I would like an affordable NX camera with viewfinder - NX10/11 with sensor from NX300. I still love to work with my NX10/11 cameras but the newer sensor of course is much better.

The camera should be cheaper than NX20 as I would buy two of them.

Thomas

1) make the 20mm a bit brighter (f/2), but without sacrificing AF speed or size. or make the 30 AF as fast as the 45.  I am so used to the AF speed, it's annoying to put the 30 back on.

2) 2.8 zoom.  I've been really tempted to get a used Sony SLT (couldn't stand to use the viewfinder all the time so I need the SLT) and a used Sigma or Tamron 2.8 zoom.

Bryan M wrote:

Well I have been following the Sony A7/A7R leaks hard recently and have really lusted after the A7. It would take a lot of cash just to get me into just a 2 lens setup. It got me to thinking what am I really missing from my current Samsung setup. I currently own the NX210, 18-55, 12-24 and 50-200. Here is what I came up...

1. I would like faster glass preferably something with a constant aperture. Some reasonably priced f4 zooms would be nice if 2.8's aren't an option.
2. Some fast primes would be a treat and something a 300mm focal length would be cool
3. Weather sealed lenses and bodies. This is just a nice to have.
4. A professionally styled & implemented menu system. What the have now is pretty solid but I dislike the goofy animations when changing a dial. I will say Samsung is better than most with the interface.
5. Refined controls/buttons.
6. Refine body design to improve the feel of the grip.
7. An articulated touchscreen display is a must have.
8. A high quality EVF with bonus points for it being tilt-able.
9. Have best in class sensor. Right now I would like some more dynamic range and much better hi ISO performance.

Rant over. What do you guys miss?

10. Smart flash system for smart mobile app controlled studio work

11. Improved wifi remote control (full manual control, timer, raw handling...)

I think lack of something like the canon L series is really a problem. Of course, samsung provide good body and good lens for an ideal price. But if someone want to upgrade to a better body or lens, he can't have one. Anyway, it is normal for a newborn system:)

For example I wouldn't be interested into zooms, they are big and heavy. I have the 50-200 and I have enough of it for my use. I muxh prefer fast primes and pancakes.

What I'm seriously missing is a body with pro features, at least a big buffer and a very good evf. Those features can't be missed in the nx30, otherwise this system is out.

giliath wrote:

I think lack of something like the canon L series is really a problem. Of course, samsung provide good body and good lens for an ideal price. But if someone want to upgrade to a better body or lens, he can't have one. Anyway, it is normal for a newborn system:)

L lenses are really a bit of a marketing gimmick. Sure they are well made but there are still bad copies. I know one person who went through 5 different copies of the same model L lens before he got one that actually performed as it should.

I don't think Samsung could justify a range of better made lens (weather sealed, metal bodies etc) in tandem to the current range.

I think two things are missing: involvement and perseverance. This explains everything that happened (or did not happen) to NX series.

This is so true!!!!!

Samsung sometimes seems to just follow a path they have in mind, w/o listening to customers at all. Otherwise they would already have released a nx300 with optional evf and bigger buffer and they wouldn't have brought to market a galaxy nx without physical controls.

I'd really like a very fast prime in the 50-55mm range, but to differentiate enough from the 45mm f1.8 and the 60mm f2.8 it should probably be f1.4 or even f1.2 (like the incoming lends from fuji). Very nice if it also had ois.

Zdman wrote:

Well I'd say the lenses are fine for now although a 50mm or 55mm 1.8 or 1.4 would be nice (I find the 85 too long at times and the 60mm too slow). Every other maker has it (the 45mm is alright but a little too wide). There certain things they could be fixing now

With all these lens gaps Samsung has I really doubt that adding one prime in already covered range (45/60/85) would add any value to 99,9% of existing and potential Samsung users.

A 24mm f1.4 and  a 135mm f2 would indeed be more useful for nx.

tecnoworld wrote:

This is so true!!!!!

Samsung sometimes seems to just follow a path they have in mind, w/o listening to customers at all. Otherwise they would already have released a nx300 with optional evf and bigger buffer and they wouldn't have brought to market a galaxy nx without physical controls.

I don't think they have a coherent market strategy. So far they have been blindly copying others instead of trying to find their own way.

NX10 was a copy of Panasonic G1 with its mini-DSLR form-factor. NX100 in terms of specs was a near perfect copy of GF1, including its atrocious external EVF. When it became clear that Sony NEX was a hit, they tried (unsuccessfully) to copy the NEX with NX200. Even their 45mm is a thoughtless attempt to create a lens as appealing as Olympus 45mm, but without realizing that 45mm on APS-C is a bit weird.

The biggest downside of this approach, obviously, is that by the time your copy hits the market, the competitors have already moved on. In retrospect it's really hard to believe that NEX-7 and NX200 were announced at the same time. NEX-7 is a difficult camera to love. It's deeply flawed, and yet even today, 2 years later, it is in many ways far superior to anything Samsung has to offer. It's a modern camera through and through — and NX200, NX20, NX210 and their brethren feel like something from the Stone Age.

This picture was originally published by Samsung Tomorrow, an official Samsung blog, in early 2011. It shows various experimental NX bodies. As you can see, Samsung was working on a retro-styled rangefinder-type body long before Fujifilm caused such a stir with their X-series cameras. I bet the person responsible for canning this project is sh*tting bricks now when Fujifilm cameras and lenses are selling like hot cakes, but Samsung NX is still as listless as ever.