SUV Runs Over Biker, helmet cam to the rescue?

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stevo23 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,441
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Very recently, a motorcycle rider caught some action that led to very unfortunate consequences. You can see it all here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INfElroIKO0

CNN etc. are saying that the footage is helping them sort out what happened. They're glad to have the footage.

Back to our discussion about legality and cameras:

I've seen too many cases where a cop pulls a guy over for something silly like leaving his visor up and cuffs him for not turning off his helmet cam. But when they need our help, they're glad to use our footage!

(Guess you can't tell I have an issue with cops lately.)

By the way - I think there's blame on both sides here. The biker that got his wheel tapped by the SUV was being careless. But the SUV guy had no call to plow over a guy. And then there's the beating - that wasn't cool. Bad scene all the way around that gives us sedate riders a bad name.

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Mark B. Forum Pro • Posts: 19,766
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stevo23 wrote:

Very recently, a motorcycle rider caught some action that led to very unfortunate consequences. You can see it all here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INfElroIKO0

CNN etc. are saying that the footage is helping them sort out what happened. They're glad to have the footage.

Back to our discussion about legality and cameras:

I've seen too many cases where a cop pulls a guy over for something silly like leaving his visor up and cuffs him for not turning off his helmet cam. But when they need our help, they're glad to use our footage!

(Guess you can't tell I have an issue with cops lately.)

By the way - I think there's blame on both sides here. The biker that got his wheel tapped by the SUV was being careless. But the SUV guy had no call to plow over a guy. And then there's the beating - that wasn't cool. Bad scene all the way around that gives us sedate riders a bad name.

Apparently several bikers were in the process of slashing his tires when he took off.  I'm not sure I'd be able to just sit there either, and I doubt anyone could say for sure what they'd do in the same situation.  What were they going to do after they were done with the tires?  His wife & child were in the car with him.  I don't think the whole story has come out yet.

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Agreed. I imagine the man thought his life and that of his young family were in jeopardy, especially since it was 30 against one. I can understand the man's reaction. I'm sad for the other man who ended up paralyzed, but at the same time, as the OP said, he should have exercised more caution. After all, a car is much bigger than a motorcycle.

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stevo23 OP Forum Pro • Posts: 10,441
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Mark B. wrote:

stevo23 wrote:

Very recently, a motorcycle rider caught some action that led to very unfortunate consequences. You can see it all here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INfElroIKO0

CNN etc. are saying that the footage is helping them sort out what happened. They're glad to have the footage.

Back to our discussion about legality and cameras:

I've seen too many cases where a cop pulls a guy over for something silly like leaving his visor up and cuffs him for not turning off his helmet cam. But when they need our help, they're glad to use our footage!

(Guess you can't tell I have an issue with cops lately.)

By the way - I think there's blame on both sides here. The biker that got his wheel tapped by the SUV was being careless. But the SUV guy had no call to plow over a guy. And then there's the beating - that wasn't cool. Bad scene all the way around that gives us sedate riders a bad name.

Apparently several bikers were in the process of slashing his tires when he took off. I'm not sure I'd

Where did you read that? I've been trying to get more info on it.

be able to just sit there either, and I doubt anyone could say for sure what they'd do in the same situation. What were they going to do after they were done with the tires? His wife & child were in the car with him. I don't think the whole story has come out yet.

I agree, I want to know more.

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From what I read in various news account, the bikers were trying to shut down the highway. This dad was the only one resisting and still driving. You can see in all the video he was the only car on the road. From there on, is down hill.

The bikers were doing illegal things, yes. As a responsible dad with your wife and child in the car, I would have pulled over when everyone else were pulling over. Let the gang pass. Is just not worth the confrontation. Especially since he was celebrating their anniversary. Is not exactly a life and death situation that he really had to be at whatever place they were going. Celebrating five minutes latter probably would not have mattered.

To me, that is a major lapse of judgement on the dad's part. Is pointless to blame the bikers. You got your family with you, take care of your family before challenging these bikers.

EthanP99 Senior Member • Posts: 2,424
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wombat661 wrote:

From what I read in various news account, the bikers were trying to shut down the highway. This dad was the only one resisting and still driving. You can see in all the video he was the only car on the road. From there on, is down hill.

The bikers were doing illegal things, yes. As a responsible dad with your wife and child in the car, I would have pulled over when everyone else were pulling over. Let the gang pass. Is just not worth the confrontation. Especially since he was celebrating their anniversary. Is not exactly a life and death situation that he really had to be at whatever place they were going. Celebrating five minutes latter probably would not have mattered.

To me, that is a major lapse of judgement on the dad's part. Is pointless to blame the bikers. You got your family with you, take care of your family before challenging these bikers.

You MUST be kidding me. I dont even know what to say to you.

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Mark B. Forum Pro • Posts: 19,766
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stevo23 wrote:

Mark B. wrote:

stevo23 wrote:

Very recently, a motorcycle rider caught some action that led to very unfortunate consequences. You can see it all here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INfElroIKO0

CNN etc. are saying that the footage is helping them sort out what happened. They're glad to have the footage.

Back to our discussion about legality and cameras:

I've seen too many cases where a cop pulls a guy over for something silly like leaving his visor up and cuffs him for not turning off his helmet cam. But when they need our help, they're glad to use our footage!

(Guess you can't tell I have an issue with cops lately.)

By the way - I think there's blame on both sides here. The biker that got his wheel tapped by the SUV was being careless. But the SUV guy had no call to plow over a guy. And then there's the beating - that wasn't cool. Bad scene all the way around that gives us sedate riders a bad name.

Apparently several bikers were in the process of slashing his tires when he took off. I'm not sure I'd

Where did you read that? I've been trying to get more info on it.

Mostly news sources on TV & radio; it's been non-stop over the last couple days.

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wombat661 wrote:

From what I read in various news account, the bikers were trying to shut down the highway. This dad was the only one resisting and still driving. You can see in all the video he was the only car on the road. From there on, is down hill.

The bikers were doing illegal things, yes. As a responsible dad with your wife and child in the car, I would have pulled over when everyone else were pulling over. Let the gang pass. Is just not worth the confrontation. Especially since he was celebrating their anniversary. Is not exactly a life and death situation that he really had to be at whatever place they were going. Celebrating five minutes latter probably would not have mattered.

To me, that is a major lapse of judgement on the dad's part. Is pointless to blame the bikers. You got your family with you, take care of your family before challenging these bikers.

No, it's legally correct to blame the bikers.

stevo23 OP Forum Pro • Posts: 10,441
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wombat661 wrote:

From what I read in various news account, the bikers were trying to shut down the highway. This dad was the only one resisting and still driving. You can see in all the video he was the only car on the road. From there on, is down hill.

Actually, he's not the only one. There's a white van that pushes through the group.

The bikers were doing illegal things, yes. As a responsible dad with your wife and child in the car, I would have pulled over when everyone else were pulling over. Let the gang pass. Is just not worth the confrontation. Especially since he was celebrating their anniversary. Is not exactly a life and death situation that he really had to be at whatever place they were going. Celebrating five minutes latter probably would not have mattered.

To me, that is a major lapse of judgement on the dad's part. Is pointless to blame the bikers. You got your family with you, take care of your family before challenging these bikers.

I think there's blame on both sides, but I can see no justification for plowing a biker under your SUV.

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But what about the issue of camera use?

I think it's interesting that cops readily arrest people for filming their overzealous arrests and abuses, but are more than happy to use the helmet cam footage of a biker when they need to sort out an incident.

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I have been held up several times by pedal cyclists & it can be a pain. The bikers could have pulled over & let the SUV through. However, I would like to know where the SUV driver was going that meant waiting a few minutes would spoil?

Impatience & lack of courtesy is rife on our roads today. They are a very dangerous place to be.

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Leon Wittwer Forum Pro • Posts: 13,085
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If you think your wife and child are in danger, you will do what you have to do to protect them.  It is unfortunate that the biker was in the wrong place but it apparently was the biker's behavior that started the incident to begin with.

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happysnapper64 wrote:

I have been held up several times by pedal cyclists & it can be a pain. The bikers could have pulled over & let the SUV through. However, I would like to know where the SUV driver was going that meant waiting a few minutes would spoil?

Impatience & lack of courtesy is rife on our roads today. They are a very dangerous place to be.

This event wasn't that at all. These bikers should all be run over. Yes, bikers aren't given enough consideration on the road all too often, and that's a big problem. I respect bikers - well, bikers that don't routinely put their lives and others in danger. You get a large crowd of young testosterone dripping young men together. . . any manner of idiocy is possible.

I understand the knee-jerk reaction in defense of this crowd of bikers, but. . .

Back to helmet cams - it was the footage from those cams that revealed what actually happened. Thank goodness, for justice will be served.  Well, to a degree (some may escape Police involvement, and for some that might be a lucky thing, as they may relative innocents that won't join in such an event.  Others will live to tempt fate on another day.)

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stevo23 wrote:

wombat661 wrote:

From what I read in various news account, the bikers were trying to shut down the highway. This dad was the only one resisting and still driving. You can see in all the video he was the only car on the road. From there on, is down hill.

Actually, he's not the only one. There's a white van that pushes through the group.

The bikers were doing illegal things, yes. As a responsible dad with your wife and child in the car, I would have pulled over when everyone else were pulling over. Let the gang pass. Is just not worth the confrontation. Especially since he was celebrating their anniversary. Is not exactly a life and death situation that he really had to be at whatever place they were going. Celebrating five minutes latter probably would not have mattered.

To me, that is a major lapse of judgement on the dad's part. Is pointless to blame the bikers. You got your family with you, take care of your family before challenging these bikers.

I think there's blame on both sides, but I can see no justification for plowing a biker under your SUV.

Sure.  If you don't bother to find out what actually transpired, you can think anything of the matter.   Chances are you might guess right.   But not today.

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stevo23 wrote:


By the way - I think there's blame on both sides here. The biker that got his wheel tapped by the SUV was being careless. But the SUV guy had no call to plow over a guy. And then there's the beating - that wasn't cool. Bad scene all the way around that gives us sedate riders a bad name.

Guess you didn't watch all of the footage.  The biker got what he deserved.

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stevo23 wrote:

wombat661 wrote:

From what I read in various news account, the bikers were trying to shut down the highway. This dad was the only one resisting and still driving. You can see in all the video he was the only car on the road. From there on, is down hill.

Actually, he's not the only one. There's a white van that pushes through the group.

The bikers were doing illegal things, yes. As a responsible dad with your wife and child in the car, I would have pulled over when everyone else were pulling over. Let the gang pass. Is just not worth the confrontation. Especially since he was celebrating their anniversary. Is not exactly a life and death situation that he really had to be at whatever place they were going. Celebrating five minutes latter probably would not have mattered.

To me, that is a major lapse of judgement on the dad's part. Is pointless to blame the bikers. You got your family with you, take care of your family before challenging these bikers.

I think there's blame on both sides, but I can see no justification for plowing a biker under your SUV.

From the reports I heard, he did in fact stop after the one biker stopped short - w/o enough time for the SUV to avoid him - and got hit.  Then, it appears bikers began slashing his tires.  Would you stay there and wait patiently for the cops to come?

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happysnapper64 wrote:

I have been held up several times by pedal cyclists & it can be a pain. The bikers could have pulled over & let the SUV through. However, I would like to know where the SUV driver was going that meant waiting a few minutes would spoil?

Actually, it wasn't that he was being held up by a motorcycle driving along legally or normally, and the bikers couldn't let the SUV through, because they were in the act of illegally shutting down the highway - this is a new trend in some parts of the US, a road version of a flash mob.  Cars and or bikers suddenly stop all traffic flow on a major highway, then start performing stunts in the middle of the road for a few minutes, then scatter before police can respond.  They were apparently attempting such a shut down when a few cars decided to defy them, they apparently got angry, and started attacking one of the cars and trying to surround and stop him, then started assaulting the car when he panicked and hit the gas to get away.

The bikers were dead wrong and highly illegal.  The driver was rash and panicked and caused injury in trying to get away.  The one biker didn't necessarily deserve the punishment he got, but they all deserve to be fined/arrested, and the SUV driver didn't necessarily deserve the punishment he got, assaulted and attacked and then beaten by dozens of bikers.

If I had to assign more guilt on either party, it would have to be the bikers who caused the entire chain of events with their illegal activity.

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"SUV Runs Over Biker."  That's a rich and extremely misleading title.

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zackiedawg wrote:

The one biker didn't necessarily deserve the punishment he got

I think he did.  A couple broken legs is a reasonable price to pay for terrorizing a family.

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Bob Tullis wrote:

happysnapper64 wrote:

I have been held up several times by pedal cyclists & it can be a pain. The bikers could have pulled over & let the SUV through. However, I would like to know where the SUV driver was going that meant waiting a few minutes would spoil?

Impatience & lack of courtesy is rife on our roads today. They are a very dangerous place to be.

This event wasn't that at all. These bikers should all be run over. Yes, bikers aren't given enough consideration on the road all too often, and that's a big problem. I respect bikers - well, bikers that don't routinely put their lives and others in danger. You get a large crowd of young testosterone dripping young men together. . . any manner of idiocy is possible.

I understand the knee-jerk reaction in defense of this crowd of bikers, but. . .

Back to helmet cams - it was the footage from those cams that revealed what actually happened. Thank goodness, for justice will be served. Well, to a degree (some may escape Police involvement, and for some that might be a lucky thing, as they may relative innocents that won't join in such an event. Others will live to tempt fate on another day.)

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I wouldn't defend the actions of either group in this. Both behaved like hooligans. It's such a "not my fault" society we live in. Heaven help us!

Oh, BTW, it's a good bet that a fair section of the bikers were not "testosterone driven YOUNG men" either!

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