E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses

Started Sep 3, 2013 | Discussions
Macx Senior Member • Posts: 1,433
Re: E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses

Advent1sam wrote:

Macx wrote:

cameron2 wrote:

Macx wrote:

I agree completely. More and more pro work is videography for the web. This would be such an advantage for Olympus if it offered high quality video

Hogwash. Uploading a video out of the EM1 will discard 90% of the quality of the video file. (Same with stills.)

As for this silly thread: People who expect every camera announcement to be "the one" are always going to find something to be disappointed about.

Go out and take some pictures.

I know it seems spoiled, and I don't pretend that I personally would be able to get the full use out of much better video, but more and more video work is made with dslrs and other "still" cameras. For a "pro" camera the ability to have flexible video modes is important, and a camera that combines good dynamic range, "steady-cam-like" IBIS and PDAF video would appeal to professionals that might otherwise use a 5D3.

PDAF for video? Do you mean PDAF confirmation as really i think the contrast detection of the m43 systems is much better for c-af than the lumpy c-af of dslrs for video. In manual focus mode though its nice to have the focus confirmation box come up on my Sony slt. Maybe they added the focus peaking though for video in which case you don't need the focus confirm box?

Well, most dslrs can't use PDAF while shooting video, which is a big part of why AF isn't very good with them. Your Sony SLT should do better, though.

I like CDAF for my stills, but for C-AF, I think PDAF is more reliable, and you don't risk getting that shimmer as the auto-focus locks on.

I can't help thinking it's bad business not to cater for this segment, especially as it's a segment that might be interested in getting the more expensive 4:3 lenses for this camera generating some much needed extra revenue for the company. Plus, they get the sales to all the enthusiasts that want to use what they see the pros use, also known as the "Canon segment". Just kidding.

But, on the other hand, there is a mic input now, so maybe the rumours aren't speaking of the final firmware.

And, btw, more bandwidth does matter, as already pointed out. One thing is that you don't want digital artefacts in your video, since that really breaks the spell, but with more bandwidth and 4:2:2 you'll get clean chroma-keying and other post-processing "magic".

ryan2007 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,001
Re: E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses BUT not Panasonic users

Abrak wrote:

ryan2007 wrote:

Told the lot over the past few years Panasonic is the better and more innovative micro four thirds system. I get nothing but grief. Of course it made the ignore user list much better.

No one believes me. Many Olympus complaints three off the top on the OMD and the worst complaint about Panasonic was the GH-3's viewfinder.

Simple Panasonic is better then Olympus for what stands today. The GX-7 is not out yet but I assume it will be fine. If not, oh well.

The Panasonic GF-1, GX-1 and GH-3 are all great MFT's cameras. The only issue on the video side is any camera that wants to do video needs external microphone ability.

The GX-7 would be better with a mic input, fully articulating OLED and no moving viewfinder, that is a total waste in a camera like this. It is a good feature, but not for the GX-7.

Panasonic has done this long enough I am sure the GX-7 will be a good still camera and just ok for video for grab and go stuff. At the same price point the GH-3 is the current one to get for MFT's

It is interesting that your conclusion from this debate is that Panasonic makes better cameras - mine is rather the opposite. Panasonic obviously optimize their cameras for the hybrid market and have had better video specs than Oly forever.

With that being the case I am somewhat surprised by all the 'hybrid shooters' that seem desperate to shoot with an Oly. I would assume that IBIS has quite a lot to do with it.

Sure, but their is more to a camera then just image stabilization. Stabilization is a crutch that one gets spoiled with. It is nice to have for long lenses and really not necessary on the wide side.

tgutgu Veteran Member • Posts: 4,110
Re: E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses
1

I am glad that Olympus does not put too much effort into video, but tries to optimize their cameras for stills. No crappy 16:9 view finder, compromised for video, as in the GH3. The E-M1 ist still slim and no relatively fat beast like the GH3.

-- hide signature --

Thomas

 tgutgu's gear list:tgutgu's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Olympus E-PL7 Olympus E-M1 II Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 Panasonic Lumix G Vario 14-45mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH OIS +31 more
mpgxsvcd Veteran Member • Posts: 8,094
Re: FYI for me...
1

Paul Auclair wrote:

hoping some experienced videographers are reading this.

i watched some EM-5 video. author states he learned to set sharpness at -2 with EM-5.

one question I have still is...AE.

i recall fiddling with EM-5 in video mode and not being able to stop the camera from changing exposure level as i panned around the scene.

i normally have the camera set to M for stills so i assume it goes to M when switching to video mode, no?

If the exposure changes while you pan why would you not want the camera to adjust to that change? Professionals use additional lighting to prevent changes in exposure. That is why they can shoot with fixed exposure.

In real world non-staged video you want to shoot with Auto ISO with a fixed Shutter speed. You can accomplish that with cameras like the GH3 by shooting in stills mode with the Flicker Reduction set to 1/120 of a second. It will use intelligent ISO in that mode for video regardless of what you have the ISO set to.

 mpgxsvcd's gear list:mpgxsvcd's gear list
Panasonic LX100 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF1 Olympus PEN E-PM2 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH3 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH4 +5 more
Paul Auclair Veteran Member • Posts: 4,767
thanks all..

i will have an informed look at video shooting with the EM-5.

-- hide signature --

Thanks,
Paul

Bluephotons Veteran Member • Posts: 6,710
Re: E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses BUT not Panasonic users

ryan2007 wrote:

Abrak wrote:

ryan2007 wrote:

Told the lot over the past few years Panasonic is the better and more innovative micro four thirds system. I get nothing but grief. Of course it made the ignore user list much better.

No one believes me. Many Olympus complaints three off the top on the OMD and the worst complaint about Panasonic was the GH-3's viewfinder.

Simple Panasonic is better then Olympus for what stands today. The GX-7 is not out yet but I assume it will be fine. If not, oh well.

The Panasonic GF-1, GX-1 and GH-3 are all great MFT's cameras. The only issue on the video side is any camera that wants to do video needs external microphone ability.

The GX-7 would be better with a mic input, fully articulating OLED and no moving viewfinder, that is a total waste in a camera like this. It is a good feature, but not for the GX-7.

Panasonic has done this long enough I am sure the GX-7 will be a good still camera and just ok for video for grab and go stuff. At the same price point the GH-3 is the current one to get for MFT's

It is interesting that your conclusion from this debate is that Panasonic makes better cameras - mine is rather the opposite. Panasonic obviously optimize their cameras for the hybrid market and have had better video specs than Oly forever.

With that being the case I am somewhat surprised by all the 'hybrid shooters' that seem desperate to shoot with an Oly. I would assume that IBIS has quite a lot to do with it.

Sure, but their is more to a camera then just image stabilization. Stabilization is a crutch that one gets spoiled with. It is nice to have for long lenses and really not necessary on the wide side.

Is auto focus a crutch? is auto white balance another crutch? Is the histogram? Continuous shooting? Or is it a flash a crutch?                                                                                                   How come in the lens stabilization is not? oh right it was done by Panasonic, I got it now.

-- hide signature --

Bluephotons
Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Bob Dylan

 Bluephotons's gear list:Bluephotons's gear list
Olympus E-M1 II Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 50-200mm 1:2.8-3.5 SWD Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm 1:4-5.6 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm F1.8 Olympus 12-40mm F2.8 +2 more
Lobby Ludd Senior Member • Posts: 2,263
Re: E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses
1

igorek7 wrote:

Gregm61 wrote:

Like ALOT of people, I won't be shooting one seconds' worth of video. Olympus is a camera company, and Panasonic is the electronics company.

Imaging represents only 16% of Olympus' sales. Olympus makes its money from it's non-photographic business - medical and scientific instruments, as well as the information and communication group.

And they make the best video a$$ scopes on the planet - full HD they say !

I get why a lot of the old Oly guard don't care about video - but if you are interested in Oly's future it HAS TO include quality video. Video is the future and what is bringing new young talent into the hobby/industry. You can put an obsure video on YouTube and become a star with millions of fans worldwide - that just doesn't happen with stills.

I don't get why you can buy the Codecs online as part of a firmware upgrade - that way everyone gets what they need.

photohounds
photohounds Senior Member • Posts: 1,145
Re: E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses

Hi, interesting ...
I am not a big video shooter yet, but do like the IBIS with video, it is brilliant.
What is wrong with the video formats in your eyes?  No 4k?  Too much compression?
Have you seen any results at all, if so is there a link for me to have a look?

-- hide signature --

Well designed gear performs better for longer than well marketed gear.
http://photohounds.smugmug.com/

 photohounds's gear list:photohounds's gear list
Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 75mm F1.8 Olympus OM-D E-M5 Olympus E-M1 Olympus E-M1 II Samyang 8mm F3.5 Aspherical IF MC Fisheye +8 more
Barry Stewart
Barry Stewart Veteran Member • Posts: 8,862
Lobby Ludd

Lobby/ Brent: It's been years seen I've seen your name on these boards... though I do take some holidays, sometimes.

'Good to hear that you're still lurking.

-- hide signature --

Barry

 Barry Stewart's gear list:Barry Stewart's gear list
Olympus C-5060 Wide Zoom Olympus E-1 Olympus PEN E-PL5 Olympus E-M1 Olympus E-M5 II +10 more
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum MMy threads