E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses

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exdeejjjaaaa
exdeejjjaaaa Veteran Member • Posts: 8,263
Re: E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses

Tim200 wrote:

tjuster1 wrote:

+1.

This is so true. People have tried to explain it to me, but I just can't grasp the need for PROFESSIONAL-quality video on a hybrid m43 camera. I'll bet 99% of the videos shot with them are viewed once by friends and family and filed away. For this purpose even the video in the PM1 would be satisfactory.

I'll bet 99% of the still shooters here who are pixel peeping and wanting the best sensor are doing nothing more than photographing their family and pets.

indeed and the same is true for 99% of those who do not pixel peep and OK w/ not the best sensor...  if you want a different ration you need to ask a good question - for example whether person ows a drum scanner - now that is typically not the type.

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drpoop
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Paco 316 wrote:

drpoop wrote:

Come on Oly !!! Is the E-M1 a PRO camera or not? Crippled crappy video options?

From 43rumors:

Full HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) 30p, 24Mbps (MOV)
Full HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) 30p, 16Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) 30p, 12Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) 30p, 8Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) / 30 frames per second (AVI Motion JPEG®)

I know Oly's focus has always been on stills, but what PRO camera in 2013 has such limited and pathetic video quality options?

This is going to hurt sales. no doubt. What a mistake.

From what I get, it will be a PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHY camera.

You won't be making a CINEMATOGRAPHIC FILM, are you? Unless you are a FILM MAKER, in which case you would be investing on better equipment.

If not, than you will most likely be recording HD video of your cat in a dark room. So, what difference does it make?

GH3 does Photography and Video quite well. Its a leader in both respects. A PRO camera certainly. So why do you think Olympus shouldn't play in the same game?

I won't be making films, but there are indie filmakers who DO use m43, and the GH2 and GH3 to make cinematic films. Google "Upstream Color". A cinematic film shot with a hacked GH2. So are you saying that the GH2 and GH3 are incapable of being professional cameras? I think roughly half this forum would disagree.

As a new parent and an enthusiast photographer, I'd rather have the ability to take high quality images and videos from a device that I invest a significant amount of money. Especially if the competition can do it at the same price point.

I feel like a lot of the vocal anti-video haters in this post are just frustrated that they are "paying for something they're not using". Which makes no sense, but.... Haters gotta hate.

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Abrak Veteran Member • Posts: 4,115
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drpoop wrote:

I feel like a lot of the vocal anti-video haters in this post are just frustrated that they are "paying for something they're not using". Which makes no sense, but.... Haters gotta hate.

How does 'not wanting to pay for something you dont use' - not make sense? Makes perfectly good sense to me.

Perhaps you are suggesting that if it had better video specs it wouldnt cost more? Well whether it costs Olympus more or not I bet they would charge more. Perhaps those wanting heroic video specs are actually hoping to 'get something for nothing'? Now that doesnt make sense to me.

exdeejjjaaaa
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honeyiscool wrote: With that killer technology, with the right processing software, they could make one of the best video cameras out there, if only they cared a bit more.

the best ones to do use any form of IS (IBIS/OIS)... in video world IS in body or in lens are for wannabe's.

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

honeyiscool wrote: With that killer technology, with the right processing software, they could make one of the best video cameras out there, if only they cared a bit more.

the best ones to do use any form of IS (IBIS/OIS)... in video world IS in body or in lens are for wannabe's.

I'm glad you think that. I guess the Steadicam should never have been invented, either. A true professional should have been able to follow Rocky up the steps without any help.

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Learning in Progress Regular Member • Posts: 361
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Sorry to disappoint you, but I am glad to be able to film in 1080p the way it is with my E-M5, but I don't need anything better for video. As long as the picture quality, the lens quality is there... That is all that I am asking for.

rrr_hhh Veteran Member • Posts: 6,022
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honeyiscool wrote:

Full HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) 30p, 24Mbps (MOV)
Full HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) 30p, 16Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) 30p, 12Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) 30p, 8Mbps (MOV).

I am 100% sure that Olympus will have 25p for PAL markets. They're not THAT stupid.

As of now, none of the Olympus cameras is offering 25p. It is as if they were completely ignoring us, we just don't exist.

Happily I'm mainly a stills shooter.

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Art_P
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Yes, but...

you'll have to track down someone that actually uses them, and make them pay up!

Then again, he may want you to pay him for the PSAM settings on the dial that he never uses!

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Video Schmideo! (nt)
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Paul Auclair Veteran Member • Posts: 4,704
i can count on one hand...
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how many times i've used a camera to shoot video.

i can count on one hand how many times i shot stills with my video camera.

i can assure OP that in both instances the majority of the off shooting was done purely out of curiosity.

If Oly is listening...You may completely dispense with video mode(s) on still cameras as far as I am concerned.

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aljudy Senior Member • Posts: 1,208
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Someone should post a poll to see how many would buy an m43 camera without any video capability. I would not myself, even though most of what I shoot is stills, but video clips are increasing in my proportion of shots...  Al

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sderdiarian Veteran Member • Posts: 4,229
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Advent1sam wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

mpgxsvcd wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

Not me - I buy a camera for stills and would get a video camera if I wanted to shoot movies, so for me the video capabilities are irrelevant

And we should take advice from someone who just assumes a video camera is better for video because it is referred to as a "Video Camera"? Video cameras were surpassed for both video and stills a long time ago by Panasonic Hybrid cameras.

Nope - I wasn't offering advice, merely responding to your rather sweeping statement "Everyone Loses" when what you maybe meant was, "Everyone for whom Video is important loses"?

Which is Olympus huge loss, don't you get it, the cost to add a few things like bitrate, 24/25/50/60p is peanuts and it means they sell lots more cameras which means more money for r&d, more lens investment etc etc. IBIS is fabulous for video now go and unleash its power with decent video.

I don't use video either, but to release a $1500 ostensibly "Pro" body in the day of the GH3 and 5D MkIII that has consumer grade (or less) video features is sure to drive away sales.  Photographers now rightfully expect their Pro IL cameras to be fully capable of being dual purpose at events such as weddings.

If as indicated on 43Rumors, Olympus has seriously misjudged the market for a $1500 body on this.  But then, it's a rumors site, so hopefully wrong.

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Promit Senior Member • Posts: 2,010
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Learning in Progress wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am glad to be able to film in 1080p the way it is with my E-M5, but I don't need anything better for video. As long as the picture quality, the lens quality is there... That is all that I am asking for.

When I read posts like this, I assume that the person in question hasn't actually watched any video taken by an EM5. I am also amused by the people insisting that the EM1 doesn't need "professional" video.

I don't think the EM1 needs pro quality video, though I would greatly appreciate it. I also don't think Olympus video right now is okay. There's something horribly wrong with the current codec that causes the entire image to disintegrate into macroblocked disaster at the drop of a hat. Canon and Sony don't do this despite similar bitrates.

At this point, "not catastrophically terrible" would be an acceptable bar for the E-M1 video output. I am not feeling optimistic though. On the bright side the EM5 video is better than the EP3 in several respects, so progress is something.

I do all my video work on SLT right now, for the record.

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Cane wrote:

sdribetahi wrote:

drpoop wrote:

My purpose in posting my disappointment in advance of the announcement is naively hopeful ..... in that, i seem to remember someone pointing out that Oly marketing/development folk sometimes read this specific forum.

I just want people to voice their frustration, I want Olympus to "listen to users" (to quote the tech guy in the leaked video of the EM1) hopefully someone at Olympus hears and an update or a last minute addition of some kind can make it in to the final production model.

Its just such a waste... 5 axis IBIS and poor video options. It makes no sense.

Do you seriously think Oly is going to read your post and quickly call an emergency engineering and marketing meeting to scramble last minute to rethink their specs?

I can see it know (only picture it in Japanese); "OMG, what were we thinking?! This thing is going to go down worse than Mothra against Godzilla if we don't change our video specs". "Wang, I want teams working 24/7 to save us from committing a crime against the buying public worse than our fraud scam". "If we can't give drpoop the video specs he's looking for, I will take the honorable way out. Now where did I put my sword".

Get your Asian names right. WANG is a CHINESE name. Not. JAPANESE. SHEEH!

So olympus can't hire any Chinese employees? That's racist!

Nope. The Chinese and Japanese don't get along. But it's a nationalist thing, not racist. Besides, I think Winston Loo correctly identified the poster's intent.

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Only 30p in the E-5, and 60p / 30p E-M5
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honeyiscool wrote:

I am 100% sure that Olympus will have 25p for PAL markets. They're not THAT stupid.

Well they don't have 25p in my E-5 or E-M5, so I'm a lot less than 100% sure about that.

Like I said: they don't care too much about videography.

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Kim Letkeman
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JYPfoto wrote:

drpoop wrote:

Come on Oly !!! Is the E-M1 a PRO camera or not? Crippled crappy video options?

From 43rumors:

Full HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) 30p, 24Mbps (MOV)
Full HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) 30p, 16Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) 30p, 12Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) 30p, 8Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) / 30 frames per second (AVI Motion JPEG®)

I know Oly's focus has always been on stills, but what PRO camera in 2013 has such limited and pathetic video quality options?

This is going to hurt sales. no doubt. What a mistake.

Let's wait until the official announcement. If this is true, then it does lose some of its appeal to me and the GX7 gains some.

Well, if that's true then you might want to consider the GF3, which can be had for 100 bucks used and is hackable to some very high bit rates with spanning and everything ...

Asking Oly to build a video cam is basically pointless ... they don't seem all that interested. Of course, having written that, they will now launch something that appeals to even the most die hard video head lol ...

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Learning in Progress wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am glad to be able to film in 1080p the way it is with my E-M5, but I don't need anything better for video. As long as the picture quality, the lens quality is there... That is all that I am asking for.

Same with me.

Though if I had to spell out in details the video specs I want:

- HDTV resolutions

- non-choppy frame rates

- video codec universally accepted (I'm looking at you E-P3)

- reasonable file size

- stabilized video

If a still camera has all that, I'm happy

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Abrak wrote:

Perhaps those wanting heroic video specs are actually hoping to 'get something for nothing'? Now that doesnt make sense to me.

$1500 >>>>> nothing.

I think the people really wanting heroic video specs are going elsewhere... meaning less sales to Olympus and for the m43 format in general. That effects all of us: slower product introduction (cameras, lenses, accessories, 3rd party lens development), and in some cases (US retail) lack of product presence/support in general.  All it would take is a tweak of the firmware, such as Canon finally conceded to with the 5D2 (30fps auto -> 29.97fps and manual controls, then eventually 23.976fps was enabled).  The 5-axis IBIS for video (the part so hard, only Oly have ever managed it) is already there.

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Roger Engelken
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drpoop wrote:

Come on Oly !!! Is the E-M1 a PRO camera or not? Crippled crappy video options?

From 43rumors:

Full HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) 30p, 24Mbps (MOV)
Full HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) 30p, 16Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) 30p, 12Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) 30p, 8Mbps (MOV)
HD 1280 x 720 (16:9) / 30 frames per second (AVI Motion JPEG®)

I know Oly's focus has always been on stills, but what PRO camera in 2013 has such limited and pathetic video quality options?

This is going to hurt sales. no doubt. What a mistake.

Stills are exactly what a camera is for, and has been for over the generations. Video is no doubt important to some, but for me it is a feature I have never used, and is of no consequence in the decision to buy a camera down the line. Not everyone bases a camera purchase on video options.

It is the specs of the stills that matters.  I purchase a camera to take photographs.

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so now you can have swear words....

So now you can have swear words in your username and posts on dpreview, sad times indeed....

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