E-M1 Video Specs - Everyone loses

Started Sep 3, 2013 | Discussions
Brian Wadie
Brian Wadie Veteran Member • Posts: 9,034
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"In addition you will pay for it and you will like it if you ever try it. "

Tried it, (canon DSLR, EM-5)  still doesn't appeal,

no reason it should really, we don't all have to have the same interests

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Dheorl Veteran Member • Posts: 3,868
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mpgxsvcd wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

mpgxsvcd wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

Not me - I buy a camera for stills and would get a video camera if I wanted to shoot movies, so for me the video capabilities are irrelevant

And we should take advice from someone who just assumes a video camera is better for video because it is referred to as a "Video Camera"? Video cameras were surpassed for both video and stills a long time ago by Panasonic Hybrid cameras.

Nope - I wasn't offering advice, merely responding to your rather sweeping statement "Everyone Loses" when what you maybe meant was, "Everyone for whom Video is important loses"?

Whether you like it or not you will never be able to buy another "New" camera that does not have video features. They all do and they always will have video. In addition you will pay for it and you will like it if you ever try it.

I'd just love to see a medium format with video...

Dheorl Veteran Member • Posts: 3,868
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mpgxsvcd wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

Not me - I buy a camera for stills and would get a video camera if I wanted to shoot movies, so for me the video capabilities are irrelevant

And we should take advice from someone who just assumes a video camera is better for video because it is referred to as a "Video Camera"? Video cameras were surpassed for both video and stills a long time ago by Panasonic Hybrid cameras.

Depends what you class as video cameras? I'm pretty certain stuff like a C500, epic, or F55 etc still comfortably beat the GH3 for video. I'm not sure what else you'd call them but video cameras.

sdribetahi Contributing Member • Posts: 819
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drpoop wrote:

My purpose in posting my disappointment in advance of the announcement is naively hopeful ..... in that, i seem to remember someone pointing out that Oly marketing/development folk sometimes read this specific forum.

I just want people to voice their frustration, I want Olympus to "listen to users" (to quote the tech guy in the leaked video of the EM1) hopefully someone at Olympus hears and an update or a last minute addition of some kind can make it in to the final production model.

Its just such a waste... 5 axis IBIS and poor video options. It makes no sense.

Do you seriously think Oly is going to read your post and quickly call an emergency engineering and marketing meeting to scramble last minute to rethink their specs?

I can see it know (only picture it in Japanese); "OMG, what were we thinking?! This thing is going to go down worse than Mothra against Godzilla if we don't change our video specs". "Wang, I want teams working 24/7 to save us from committing a crime against the buying public worse than our fraud scam". "If we can't give drpoop the video specs he's looking for, I will take the honorable way out. Now where did I put my sword".

amtberg Veteran Member • Posts: 5,908
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mpgxsvcd wrote:

honeyiscool wrote:

I think these numbers are hogwash. E-PM2 has higher bitrates than every one of those settings except the 24 Mbps.

Bit rate is not everything. There is a whole lot more to compression than just bit rate. All the GH2 hackers will lead you to believe that all I frame is the only choice you should ever consider. However, all I frame is rarely better unless you are using ridiculous bit rates(ie: 180+ mb/sec) that most memory cards can’t handle.

The GH3 achieves the best compression by using an entirely new compression scheme. It stills conforms to the H.264 specs but it is a much higher level and more efficient scheme. If they use a very efficient compression scheme then 24 mb/sec might be ok. However, even with a super-efficient scheme I still think the 50 mb/sec of the GH3 will be better.

After 50 mb/sec with a very efficient scheme the difference is not as significant.

Lack of 1080, or even 70P/60 is also disappointing, if true.  Crazy, IMO, considering what a boon 5-axis IBIS would be for video if other specs were up to snuff (including a flat color profile, please).

honeyiscool
honeyiscool Senior Member • Posts: 1,376
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tjuster1 wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

Not me - I buy a camera for stills and would get a video camera if I wanted to shoot movies, so for me the video capabilities are irrelevant

+1.

There are lots of choices in m43 for people who really want a hybrid camera. I'm actually glad Oly isn't wasting any resources trying to compete with the GH3 etc. That stuff would only add to the price of the camera, and I never want to pay for something I don't use.

Wasn't there a recent poll that showed that like 80% of the people in this forum could care less about video? (I might have the forum wrong). I understand that some people do, but I don't think these people are Olympus's primary target owners of this camera.

I don't get it. How does having a bad video codec make a camera cost less than having a good one?

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drpoop
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sdribetahi wrote:

drpoop wrote:

My purpose in posting my disappointment in advance of the announcement is naively hopeful ..... in that, i seem to remember someone pointing out that Oly marketing/development folk sometimes read this specific forum.

I just want people to voice their frustration, I want Olympus to "listen to users" (to quote the tech guy in the leaked video of the EM1) hopefully someone at Olympus hears and an update or a last minute addition of some kind can make it in to the final production model.

Its just such a waste... 5 axis IBIS and poor video options. It makes no sense.

Do you seriously think Oly is going to read your post and quickly call an emergency engineering and marketing meeting to scramble last minute to rethink their specs?

I can see it know (only picture it in Japanese); "OMG, what were we thinking?! This thing is going to go down worse than Mothra against Godzilla if we don't change our video specs". "Wang, I want teams working 24/7 to save us from committing a crime against the buying public worse than our fraud scam". "If we can't give drpoop the video specs he's looking for, I will take the honorable way out. Now where did I put my sword".

Yes. Although, I imagined Japanese names instead of Chinese. Attention to detail is important when visualizing your dreams come true!!!!!!

But, yes, I would like Oly to read this thread. Please Ignore the racist person Oly folk! He's simple.

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Ag_Paladin Contributing Member • Posts: 683
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sdribetahi wrote:

drpoop wrote:

My purpose in posting my disappointment in advance of the announcement is naively hopeful ..... in that, i seem to remember someone pointing out that Oly marketing/development folk sometimes read this specific forum.

I just want people to voice their frustration, I want Olympus to "listen to users" (to quote the tech guy in the leaked video of the EM1) hopefully someone at Olympus hears and an update or a last minute addition of some kind can make it in to the final production model.

Its just such a waste... 5 axis IBIS and poor video options. It makes no sense.

Do you seriously think Oly is going to read your post and quickly call an emergency engineering and marketing meeting to scramble last minute to rethink their specs?

I can see it know (only picture it in Japanese); "OMG, what were we thinking?! This thing is going to go down worse than Mothra against Godzilla if we don't change our video specs". "Wang, I want teams working 24/7 to save us from committing a crime against the buying public worse than our fraud scam". "If we can't give drpoop the video specs he's looking for, I will take the honorable way out. Now where did I put my sword".

Get your Asian names right. WANG is a CHINESE name. Not. JAPANESE. SHEEH!

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Kwick1 Contributing Member • Posts: 864
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James Pilcher wrote:

Olympus should drop the video altogether. Then everyone wins. Stills photographers get the camera they desire and deserve, and video folk have the opportunity to stop whining and go purchase a proper video camera.

I don't use my sports car to haul horse manure, so we shouldn't expect a fine still camera to do it either.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA

Agree completely - remove the video for all I care.

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Cane Veteran Member • Posts: 6,900
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sdribetahi wrote:

drpoop wrote:

My purpose in posting my disappointment in advance of the announcement is naively hopeful ..... in that, i seem to remember someone pointing out that Oly marketing/development folk sometimes read this specific forum.

I just want people to voice their frustration, I want Olympus to "listen to users" (to quote the tech guy in the leaked video of the EM1) hopefully someone at Olympus hears and an update or a last minute addition of some kind can make it in to the final production model.

Its just such a waste... 5 axis IBIS and poor video options. It makes no sense.

Do you seriously think Oly is going to read your post and quickly call an emergency engineering and marketing meeting to scramble last minute to rethink their specs?

I can see it know (only picture it in Japanese); "OMG, what were we thinking?! This thing is going to go down worse than Mothra against Godzilla if we don't change our video specs". "Wang, I want teams working 24/7 to save us from committing a crime against the buying public worse than our fraud scam". "If we can't give drpoop the video specs he's looking for, I will take the honorable way out. Now where did I put my sword".

Get your Asian names right. WANG is a CHINESE name. Not. JAPANESE. SHEEH!

So olympus can't hire any Chinese employees? That's racist!

gak44 Regular Member • Posts: 300
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Kwick1 wrote:

James Pilcher wrote:

Olympus should drop the video altogether. Then everyone wins. Stills photographers get the camera they desire and deserve, and video folk have the opportunity to stop whining and go purchase a proper video camera.

I don't use my sports car to haul horse manure, so we shouldn't expect a fine still camera to do it either.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA

Agree completely - remove the video for all I care.

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Fine if you want and can afford two different camera systems. Most on this board are like me, I suspect. Almost everything I shoot is stills; for the occasional video footage of grandkids or steel head fishing I want video capability built-in. I do not want to haul around another body and set of lenses that rarely will be used.

OTOH, I think that the specs listed above are more than adequate for the overwhelming majority of M43 users.

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Jan Chelminski Senior Member • Posts: 1,229
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No swivel LCD, no pop up flash...this is a pretty focused tool and that's just the way I want it.

Sorry some are disappointed, but thats why this format is great: Oly and Pana complement rather than

duplicate each other. What would be the point of m4/3, if Oly made another GH-3?

oklaphotog Senior Member • Posts: 1,093
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Macx wrote:

drpoop wrote:

My purpose in posting my disappointment in advance of the announcement is naively hopeful ..... in that, i seem to remember someone pointing out that Oly marketing/development folk sometimes read this specific forum.

I just want people to voice their frustration, I want Olympus to "listen to users" (to quote the tech guy in the leaked video of the EM1) hopefully someone at Olympus hears and an update or a last minute addition of some kind can make it in to the final production model.

Its just such a waste... 5 axis IBIS and poor video options. It makes no sense.

I agree completely. More and more pro work is videography for the web. This would be such an advantage for Olympus if it offered high quality video

Those video specs are perfectly fine for web use.

GeorgianBay1939
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James Pilcher wrote:

Olympus should drop the video altogether. Then everyone wins. Stills photographers get the camera they desire and deserve, and video folk have the opportunity to stop whining and go purchase a proper video camera.

I don't use my sports car to haul horse manure, so we shouldn't expect a fine still camera to do it either.

Jim Pilcher
Summit County, Colorado, USA

I hope that you noticed the irony here:

what started out as a discussion of video specs of the E-M1 just got pretty crappy!  

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oklaphotog Senior Member • Posts: 1,093
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mpgxsvcd wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

Not me - I buy a camera for stills and would get a video camera if I wanted to shoot movies, so for me the video capabilities are irrelevant

And we should take advice from someone who just assumes a video camera is better for video because it is referred to as a "Video Camera"? Video cameras were surpassed for both video and stills a long time ago by Panasonic Hybrid cameras.

Not handling wise. If this were the case ENG cameras and smaller pro/prosumer video cams would cease to exist.

I'd rather shoot video with something like this http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-cheap-4k-camcorder-coming-soon-sr2-mid-frame-mystery-cam/  than any dslr or mirrorless.

DSLR's and mirrorless is fine in very controlled situations like cine or commercial stuff. But they aren't in the same league for shooting on the fly.

jack Hoggard
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I agree.  It seems that the big Leicas have done alright without video.

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Manfred Bachmann Senior Member • Posts: 1,045
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I just want people to voice their frustration, I want Olympus to "listen to users" (to quote the tech guy in the leaked video of the EM1) hopefully someone at Olympus hears and an update or a last minute addition of some kind can make it in to the final production model.

Its just such a waste... 5 axis IBIS and poor video options. It makes no sense.

I´m glad they listen to users and build a still camera with highend 5axis for available light photography, and not a video cam which i don´t need. For me the interesting part is, making good pictures and not crappy movies!

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jack Hoggard wrote:

I agree. It seems that the big Leicas have done alright without video.

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jaxupra

Except Leica M has video.

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Macx wrote:

. . . This would be such an advantage for Olympus if it offered high quality video

what is high quality video?

you can do with 1080/30p 24Mbps high-quality video;)

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2071/olympus-em-5-topic#Item_319

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Gary Chv Forum Member • Posts: 51
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You want video within the m4/3 paradigm. Here ya go...

I'm considering this black magic  pocket cinema camera. Costs less than the new Olt too!

Black Magic Pocket Cinema Cam

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