Choosing between Nikon D5200 or Sony NEX6

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Amamba
Amamba Senior Member • Posts: 1,854
I am returning D5200

My F3's AF died recently, so I decided to go with D5200 based on all the reviews, and hoping to get better AF speed and reliability even at a cost of a larger body. I also hoped for better SOOC Jpegs.

I was thoroughly disappointed.

Both the Jpegs and RAW out of D5200 are soft. Part of it may be due to the poor image quality of kit lenses, but the overall softness seems to be a common complaint about D5200. I am not buying another $500 lens just to test if this would make the softness go away.

I didn't like the JPEGs of Sony much, but the Nikon JPEGs are even worse - in my opinion. Especially in dim light, where the camera is supposed to shine. Sony creates reddish skin tint. Nikon is greenish. Sony has awful NR artefacts that destroy shadow detail. Nikon doesn't bring shadows up enough to show the detail. Nikon's built in flash is untiltable and at default setting is too strong, still not nearly as good as the Canon ETTL. Finally, Nikon menus are a cluster @@@@. I am sure that much of this can be changed in settings somewhere, but this still wouldn't make the softness go away.

In the end, I put both cameras in auto mode and blasted away in various lighting conditions, with my Minolta MD 35-70/3.5 Macro and the better of two Nikon lenses (55-300VR) both set at 55mm and f6 (to make sure that Nikon was at least somewhat stopped down). I don't use Auto but I wanted to see if Nikon would produce better SOOC shots in same conditions. It didn't. I already know what I can get from Sony when using Raw. Not worth switching, to me at least.

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Amamba
Amamba Senior Member • Posts: 1,854
Re: Choosing between Nikon D5200 or Sony NEX6

I think for moving subjects in dim light, a LAEA2 + a good A-mount lens mounted on Nex would be a cheaper and more flexible solution than a whole DSLR. Assuming LAEA2 lives up to the fuss - I personally never used it.

I have two problems with Nex. The fragile built (at least on my F3 it was) and the image quality of SOOC Jpegs (heavy handed NR and reddish skin tones). However, the benefits far outweigh these two problems (as liong as camera doesn't crap out ).  Now that I shot with D5200 I think I got Nikon out of my system for good. If I ever go back to DSLR, it's most likely going to be Canon (if they finally get a XXI century sensor). Or, less likely, Sony Alpha.

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CosmoZooo Regular Member • Posts: 452
Re: Choosing between Nikon D5200 or Sony NEX6

Amamba wrote:

I think for moving subjects in dim light, a LAEA2 + a good A-mount lens mounted on Nex would be a cheaper and more flexible solution than a whole DSLR. Assuming LAEA2 lives up to the fuss - I personally never used it.

Cheaper then a DSLR - really? NEX-6 + LAEA2 + A-mount lens cheaper then an Nikon D5200 or even the new Canon 70D...care to do the math?...because I highly doubt that would be cheaper.

ohcello Senior Member • Posts: 1,599
Re: I think that's a mistake to get 3N and 5200

wb2trf wrote:

You do what you want of course, but I wouldn't get those two. They are too close in size and capability. You will end up using all one or all the other. So, unless you want to try both and sell the one you don't use, I don't recommend that approach.

To my way of thinking you only want one new interchangable lens camera to which you add lenses over time. The next smaller size than DSLR that may justify a second camera is a P&S. It fits in any pocket but a Nex does not. If the RX100 is too pricey then get the best small sensor one you can afford, if you do want a smaller camera than the 5100 or Nex. Contrary to what the gear hounds here believe when you take pictures in bright light and look at them at normal viewing distance you will not be able to tell whether it was taken by your 5100 or your 2/3 tiny sensor P&S without looking at the exif. So, most travel pics, no difference. Picture taken in dim light, different story.

Many of the previous posts are bonkers in my view, by the way. Some posters here think that a dslr somehow knows what the subject is and chooses that reliably. Nonsense. I get 95% keepers shooting moving children with the slowest of the Nex lenses the SEL 50mm 1.8. I choose the Nex for its manuverablity and small effect on the psyche of my tiny subjects. I have no AF problems.

The problem is that the 3N is so much cheaper than the RX100 and to be honest, I would not put the RX100 in my pocket (like the OP also stated he would not either).  I would put in it a small belt/bag... and I think I could also carry around the 3N with kit lens the same way... just protruding out another ~30cm, which I don't think will be a big deal.

As for getting another point and shoot... forget it... the IQ is not much better than HDR shots on my iphone in good light so I'd never invest in any small sensor camera again.

My plan is this.  I'll get the 3N first.... I'll see how I do with moving targets, low light, etc.  If the AF is 'good enough' I'll build out the lenses for the NEX system (35mm f/1.8 and 55-210mm).    If the AF is not good enough, the 3N will become *just* my camcorder, and travel/travel light cam and I will not get any more lenses for it.  I'll then get a DSLR for low light and events.

I have *some* skills working with DSLRs now for about 7 years back to the Canon 20D, so maybe I can make the NEX 3N work enough to get enough keepers... I really won't know until I own it.

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Amamba
Amamba Senior Member • Posts: 1,854
Re: Choosing between Nikon D5200 or Sony NEX6

CosmoZooo wrote:

Amamba wrote:

I think for moving subjects in dim light, a LAEA2 + a good A-mount lens mounted on Nex would be a cheaper and more flexible solution than a whole DSLR. Assuming LAEA2 lives up to the fuss - I personally never used it.

Cheaper then a DSLR - really? NEX-6 + LAEA2 + A-mount lens cheaper then an Nikon D5200 or even the new Canon 70D...care to do the math?...because I highly doubt that would be cheaper.

Sorry, I was posting to two different boards with similar topics. For someone who already has a Nex and contemplates getting a 2nd DSLR camera to get better AF, a cheaper and more flexible solution would be getting the adapter.

For someone starting from scratch, this would be different - basically about $300 more expensive to go with Nex 6 + adapter but then you get the best of both worlds.

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RonFrank
RonFrank Senior Member • Posts: 2,130
Decide for yourself......

One advantage evident here is all of Mel's shots are done in bright sunlight on a 35' boat.  When shooting in mixed light and especially low light with potential focus points from a few feet thru infinity the AF will miss more.

I certainly agree there is a learning curve.

Unfortunately there is a real issue here with mirrorless AF.  The AF on a DSLR is a non issue, so much that it is rarely discussed outside of tricky or difficult focus subjects like BIF.  This is why I suggested the Op needs to make up his own mind.

From everything I read the jury is still out, and the AF system is not bulletproof.  I am thinking of getting the 6 for every day used with the kit lens, so compact.  Then the DSLR for when the subject matter is more challenging.  For a carry everywhere camera the results do not have to be perfect, and I want compact and light.

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PDine Contributing Member • Posts: 579
Re: Choosing between Nikon D5200 or Sony NEX6

Hi,

I am new user here, but have been reading the forum the last few weeks since I am getting interested in getting a better camera than a Fuji f40fd point and shoot. It is time to update it to a camera that can give better image quality and also more versatile to shoot in various conditions. I will be using it as general purpose camera to take pictures such as of a 2 years old indoor and outdoor, and also take it along during vacation trip, and also occasional video clips.

I have narrowed it down to Nikon D5200 and Sony NEX6 from reading various reviews and also forums. I played around with both camera in store, but not side by side. So far they both perform equally well in store, but I can only do limited test, ie. can't do low light situation, fast moving object, etc.

Based on review, the Nikon D5200 appeal to me are 24MP sensor that reviews slightly better than 16MP of NEX6, supposedly better autofocus speed and accuracy, appear to be easier/direct control with more buttons, and probably cheaper lens options. Sony NEX6 appeal is lighter which is nice for traveling, and record better video.

Although, my own interpretation of the test results from reviews are not necessarily the same. The sensor, visually looking at test shots comparison, I don't find the 24MP sensor in D5200 is better than 16MP in NEX6. Sometime I felt that the 16MP appears sharper in test shots. I wonder if I am interpreting these results wrongly. On shutter lag from imaging-resource.com review, which I associate with autofocus speed, I found they are comparable across the all test performed. But many reviews sometime says NEX6 is not as fast as consumer DSLR (which I assume D5200 belong to this), and this again contradict my own interpretation (and the hard number on the imaging-resource.com review). Since, I never really pay attentions to such details in the past, I trust reviews where I expect they have dealt with many products.

My questions, based on your experience with D5200 or equivalent DSLR (eg. D5100, etc) and also NEX6 or equivalent, are:

1. Does NEX6 really have worse sensor than D5200? Noticeably more noise, less sharp, etc.

2. Does NEX6 have worse autofocus speed and accuracy? Will the difference make a difference in shooting moving objects, in low-light, both, etc?

Right now I am leaning to D5200 to start because I found both perform comparably in store, D5200 reviews slightly better in sensor performance and autofocus, considering lens option are potentially cheaper for D5200, and I don't mind carrying the D5200 if it is really better than NEX6. However, if sensor and autofocus performance does not make a significant enough difference between the two, then I lean towards NEX6 since it is more portable. I know that I probably won't reach either camera limitation today with my skills, but as I improve my skills, then I would get a camera that has less limitation. Any comments/suggestions?

Thanks!

I've had a couple of DSLRs and currently own a new c3 which I've had about a year and am thinking of replacing with something else. I prefer DSLRs in use, but nex cameras when it comes to carrying them around. In terms of sensor quality I think the difference between the 2 camera models is negligible. Not perceivable in most cases. Don't worry about it.
The AF on DSLRs tends to be faster than nex cameras, particularly in poor lighting. There is no doubt about that you can mess around with manual focus lenses on nex cameras, but Its not for everyone. I never found it as easy as many would have you believe.
Its a tough choice, but if fast moving kids are your primary subject then the DSLR is a solid choice. If motion tracking wasn't an issue then I'd say go with nex.

Amamba
Amamba Senior Member • Posts: 1,854
Re: Decide for yourself......

RonFrank wrote:

One advantage evident here is all of Mel's shots are done in bright sunlight on a 35' boat. When shooting in mixed light and especially low light with potential focus points from a few feet thru infinity the AF will miss more.

I certainly agree there is a learning curve.

Unfortunately there is a real issue here with mirrorless AF. The AF on a DSLR is a non issue, so much that it is rarely discussed outside of tricky or difficult focus subjects like BIF. This is why I suggested the Op needs to make up his own mind.

From everything I read the jury is still out, and the AF system is not bulletproof. I am thinking of getting the 6 for every day used with the kit lens, so compact. Then the DSLR for when the subject matter is more challenging. For a carry everywhere camera the results do not have to be perfect, and I want compact and light.

First, I disagree that AF on DSLR is a non issue. It's certainly works much faster to lock on object in low light, however in my experience it's also more prone to lock on a wrong part of the subject (at least when comparing to CDAF on Nex F3, perhaps the PDAF has the same issues on Nex 6 ?) But yes, overall the AF on DSLRs is faster and better in low light.

However, the strongest part of Nex for me is the focus peaking. I am shooting lots of portraits and getting eyes in focus has sometimes been a struggle with DSLR, no matter how good the AF on them is, the only sure way to get a sharp portrait was to manually adjust the focus. The peaking on Nex makes it very easy.

So, DSLR = better focusing on moving objects, Nex = better focus on still objects and portability, I think Nex + LAEA2 = best of both worlds.

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zackiedawg
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Goes to show you how many opinions can differ...

While Paul mentions routinely having issues getting accurate focus with the NEX, Mel mentions having only occasional difficulty.  RonFrank adds that it's more problems in low light and trickier focus challenges where he sees the NEX having focus problems, and many mention using DMF or manual focusing as an aid or backup.  So to add to the myriad of different experiences, consider that I have no focus problems with two different NEX models, both CDAF only and not even with the PDAF on sensor...I accurately get focus on every item I intend, I shoot moving targets and in low light very frequently, and I also shoot with a DSLR that has a traditional phase-detect AF system and fantastically accurate focus, and do not find the NEX to be appreciably less accurate in almost any situation, and only a little slower to acquire something like a moving subject, and not as able to continuously track and adjust focus as the subject moves compared to a DSLR.

I'm sure much has to do with each person's experience, settings, style, etc.  But just know that while some mention struggling mightily with NEX AF, others only have periodic issues, others still think it only lacks in certain conditions, and still a few more like myself find the AF system to be perfectly accurate and reliable in nearly any condition.

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Kiichiro Contributing Member • Posts: 515
Re: Choosing between Nikon D5200 or Sony NEX6

Har L wrote:

Hi,

I am new user here, but have been reading the forum the last few weeks since I am getting interested in getting a better camera than a Fuji f40fd point and shoot. It is time to update it to a camera that can give better image quality and also more versatile to shoot in various conditions. I will be using it as general purpose camera to take pictures such as of a 2 years old indoor and outdoor, and also take it along during vacation trip, and also occasional video clips.

I have narrowed it down to Nikon D5200 and Sony NEX6 from reading various reviews and also forums. I played around with both camera in store, but not side by side. So far they both perform equally well in store, but I can only do limited test, ie. can't do low light situation, fast moving object, etc.

Based on review, the Nikon D5200 appeal to me are 24MP sensor that reviews slightly better than 16MP of NEX6, supposedly better autofocus speed and accuracy, appear to be easier/direct control with more buttons, and probably cheaper lens options. Sony NEX6 appeal is lighter which is nice for traveling, and record better video.

Although, my own interpretation of the test results from reviews are not necessarily the same. The sensor, visually looking at test shots comparison, I don't find the 24MP sensor in D5200 is better than 16MP in NEX6. Sometime I felt that the 16MP appears sharper in test shots. I wonder if I am interpreting these results wrongly. On shutter lag from imaging-resource.com review, which I associate with autofocus speed, I found they are comparable across the all test performed. But many reviews sometime says NEX6 is not as fast as consumer DSLR (which I assume D5200 belong to this), and this again contradict my own interpretation (and the hard number on the imaging-resource.com review). Since, I never really pay attentions to such details in the past, I trust reviews where I expect they have dealt with many products.

My questions, based on your experience with D5200 or equivalent DSLR (eg. D5100, etc) and also NEX6 or equivalent, are:

1. Does NEX6 really have worse sensor than D5200? Noticeably more noise, less sharp, etc.

2. Does NEX6 have worse autofocus speed and accuracy? Will the difference make a difference in shooting moving objects, in low-light, both, etc?

Right now I am leaning to D5200 to start because I found both perform comparably in store, D5200 reviews slightly better in sensor performance and autofocus, considering lens option are potentially cheaper for D5200, and I don't mind carrying the D5200 if it is really better than NEX6. However, if sensor and autofocus performance does not make a significant enough difference between the two, then I lean towards NEX6 since it is more portable. I know that I probably won't reach either camera limitation today with my skills, but as I improve my skills, then I would get a camera that has less limitation. Any comments/suggestions?

Thanks!

You have already done your research and the only thing you should think about is the weight, AF speed, and prices on lenses.

1) AF speed = Nikon

2) Lense prices = Nikon

3) Weight = Sony

The sensorare pretty close to one another and I bet if someone showed you a few pictures from each camera and you won't be able to tell which camera took it. AF speed is faster but with bigger body and lenses would you carry it around with you all the time? The only advantage with the NEX-6 is that it is so small and light but you said you don't mind carrying the SLR then you should get the Nikon 5200 because it is the better camera for you.

For me I went with the NEX-6 for small form but I have the LA-EA2 to grow the camera to a SLR size and get the faster AF. I have legacy glasses, A-Mount lenses, and E-mount lenses. I have many options on the NEX-6 that I can't do on a camera like the Nikon 5200. I can't make that camera smaller and lighter

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wb2trf Senior Member • Posts: 2,414
Re: I think that's a mistake to get 3N and 5200

I agree that a P&S is not much better than a good phone cam in bright light, but my statement stands about not being able to see the difference at normal viewing distance.

But anyway your plan makes sense. The difficulty of the AF on Nex is wildly exaggerated here. You'll probably like the Nex.  It certainly takes much better pictures at higher ISOs than any small sensor camera including the RX100.  (Also its great if you like pixel peeping bright light photos.)

ohcello Senior Member • Posts: 1,599
Re: I think that's a mistake to get 3N and 5200

wb2trf wrote:

I agree that a P&S is not much better than a good phone cam in bright light, but my statement stands about not being able to see the difference at normal viewing distance.

But anyway your plan makes sense. The difficulty of the AF on Nex is wildly exaggerated here. You'll probably like the Nex. It certainly takes much better pictures at higher ISOs than any small sensor camera including the RX100. (Also its great if you like pixel peeping bright light photos.)

Well, my normal viewing distance is a 24" 1920x1200 lcd monitor about 18" from my eyes.... so I can certainly tell the difference between a point and shoot >>> RX100 >>> APS-C , etc.  Plus, I do a lot of cropping so it helps to have max quality.... heck, I'm tempted to get an old Canon 5D just for portraits!! : )

Anyways, I'm 90% sure I'll get the 3N with kit to start at this point, and perhaps the 35mm f/1.8.  The one thing I wish they had was a smaller, fast prime (like the samsung 30mm f/2), but who knows... maybe down the line.  I also ready Tamron has a patent out for a 35mm f/1.4 mirrorless so there's hope for even yet more speed perhaps.

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IrGoofy Regular Member • Posts: 210
Re: Choosing between Nikon D5200 or Sony NEX6

CosmoZooo wrote:

Very interesting to see this type of thinking on the NEX in a scenario where I would consider the D5200 to be a clear winner, video aside.

I've owned the NEX-6 for a while now and while I've never used a DSLR, but if I had to do this again I'd either rent or buy one and try it out.

I went back and forth on the NEX-6 finally keeping it (I've bought it twice, returning it the first time) but at the end of the day I should have tried a DSLR. I tried a Panny GX1 m43 and that made me want to sprint back to NEX but again I should have tried a DSLR too.

Shooting kids in low light is exactly where NEX shows it's weakest side - the focusing is just not fast enough. Yes, I make it work...I've found ways to rely on AF-C to take decent shots, but there are plenty of misses and those misses often would have been better shots then the ones that succeed. And if I hand a camera over to my wife in those situations - forget it. I remember trying to shoot this event at my house before I learned how to better utilize the camera, dim dining room lights - I relied on multi-focus and missed almost all of the shots

With NEX-6 it's not about how many good low-light moving kids shots you can keep - it's about how many you're going to have to throw away or simply miss due to slow focus and I've missed plenty.

Here's my advice TRY THEM BOTH! I strongly recommend you follow that advice even if you don't feel like it. There are plenty of retailers, Amazon being one, where you can return the product if you don't like it. Start with a DSLR.

From what I understand the D5200 has an awesome sensor, as good as NEX if not better but you do get more MP which will make larger prints better or give you more room for down sampling for cleaner results or cropping.

The NEX will likely do better in video - D5200 might hunt more and you will likely get lens noises in the audio recording. With NEX you just have a tiny bit of noise with a power zoom lens like 16-50 during zooming.

If video is important to you, as it was to me, I am really excited about the Canon Dual pixel AF - it is worth taking a peak at the Canon 70D although I think the tech will end up in the rest of the lineup soon. It is also the tech that has the potential to place the Canon at the top of the mirrorless market.

Good luck with your decision - try them both - trust me, it's the best thing you can do. AF speed in low light is the Achilles heel of the NEX-6 and the Hybrid AF doesn't help enough.

I had NEX-5 for 2 weeks, NEX-6 for 2 months. I had tried from macro, kids in low light to bird in flight. I had LA-EA2 + few A mount lens. I have to agree with you on the NEX's weakness.

I shoot a lot moving objects in low light (kids, events) even with LA-EA2 adapter, the % of keeping good photos was low. I threw away a lot of good moment but blurry pictures. After 1 months of using LA-EA2 adapter, I think the adapter has some weaknesses. First, it would off shift the focus sometimes. For instance, I used LA-EA2 + Tamron 28-75mm on tripod, single center focus, pulled 4,5 shots continuously on the same target. At least 1 shot would be off focus a bit. 2nd weakness is the photos look softer and not as sharp (maybe too many extra glasses?) BIF, it can be done but in my untrained eyes and hands, out of 100 shots, I could only keep 6 or 7 (not using LA-EA2.) I was very happy when I got a clear, good shot. It felt like a great achievement.

NEX is a wonderful camera. However, depends on what you want to shoot, it may give you a lot of frustrations.

For me, I ended up returning NEX-6 and picked up A77 (still in debate if I should keep A77 or go with D7100.) I am still on the learning curve with A77, however, I smile a lot more with recent photos.

Best luck to your purchase.

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marike6 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,086
Get the D5200 for the cheaper, more plentiful lenses and flash system
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I'm sure the NEX-6 is a fine camera, but the D5200 would be my choice for the cheaper and overall better lenses.  F-mount is probably the best supported mount in the world and buying into it not only gives the options for some awesome inexpensive primes like the 35 1.8 DX and 50 1.8G, but there have been some wonderful third party lenses released recently like the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8, one of the sharpest zooms ever made.

Flash system with the Nikon CLS is another huge plus for the Nikon system.  The Nikon flashes are great, can be fired from the D5200.  And there are tons of great lower cost options like the Yongnuo 565 EX, which works really well with their inexpensive wireless triggers.  I have two of these that I use on stands with umbrellas and it's a very nice budget "strobist" kit.

I checked out the D5200 at Costco last week and I was pretty impressed with it.  The fully articulating LCD is extremely sharp, and the grip feels good.

If you don't need the smallest body, you could also consider the D7100 (or a refurbished D7000) which is an absolutely fantastic body with a gorgeous, bright 100% Pentaprism finder.  But the D5200 VF is not bad at all and of the smaller Nikon bodies, it's my favorite.

Best of luck,

Markus

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nevercat Senior Member • Posts: 3,193
Your talking about your wishlist not that of the fast majority mr hyenadog

Dear hyenadog.

Read your reply again and look at the other brands. Show me one lens in the 16-70 range that is faster then the Zeiss lens, and not larger. Yes you claim that nobody will buy this lens in combintion with the ILCE-3000, you are right, but there are other cameras (Nex5/6/7) out there that are better suited for this lens.

You claim that the Zeiss lens is irrelevant to the fast majority of the Nex users, but you are forgetting the large group of owners that asked for a lens like this and they are willing to pay for it too. So Sony does it best to help all customers, not only you.

You claim, without any proof, that Sony will ditch the Nex for the ILCE range. Nor Sony, nor any rumor side claims this is true, you are spreading a false rumor, making people uneasy about the Nex, what is probebly based on wrong thinking of you.

You claim that f/4 lenses are useless indoor, at teater stage and sports. Probably you never tried it. I read today on this forum a person who uses a f/4 zoom lens as only lens when (semi) professionaly taking pictres of plays. On stage there is often more light then people think and, as I said befor f/4 is just 1 stop faster as f/2.8. So you can take a lot of very nice pictures, using a slower shutterspeed or a one stop faster ISO setting.

You claim you need a fast tele prime for taking shots of your children at play, well the professiona I mentioned before was saying something completely different. He tells that a f/4 zoom lens is better for stage then a prime as you can make frame the picture better with a zoom lens, he uses a 18-105 f4 lens on APS camera. But when you realy think you need the prime well maybe you are stupid for buying a camera that does not have that lens... And then you are complaining that the size of the camera is most important, but at the same time you want large lenses (fast teleprimes can't be small), again this makes you maybe more stupid then the buyers of the ILC-3000 camera.

On the other hand, by the lens roadmap from Sony there is a tele prime lens due this year, so maybe your wish will be granted. I can't tell anything about that lens as I don't work for Sony.

You say: For Sony's benefit - think about who buys the vast majority of the NEX's and what they are used for ..

Well maybe, just maybe your use of the camera is not that of the majority. Maybe, just maybe, the majority wants zoom lenses. Sony did a good job with pleasing them, giving them the kit zooms (18-55 and 55-210mm) covering the whole range they normaly need. Then they come with some 18-200 (the smaller Tamron version is not much larger then the 55-210) and now with some lenses for the more demanding people. A group that have bought the Nex 6 and 7 and want matching zoom lenses.

And for the 85 f/2 lens? Well again it is prommised to come this year, maybe it is announced with the nex 7 successor...

Amamba
Amamba Senior Member • Posts: 1,854
Re: I think that's a mistake to get 3N and 5200

wb2trf wrote:

I agree that a P&S is not much better than a good phone cam in bright light, but my statement stands about not being able to see the difference at normal viewing distance.

But anyway your plan makes sense. The difficulty of the AF on Nex is wildly exaggerated here. You'll probably like the Nex. It certainly takes much better pictures at higher ISOs than any small sensor camera including the RX100. (Also its great if you like pixel peeping bright light photos.)

I had absolutely terrible time focusing on moving subjects in a dimly lit room with Nex F3, but it had as much to do with very slow focus on SEL50F1.8 as with PDAF. Otherwise, tracking moving subjects was not a problem.

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ohcello Senior Member • Posts: 1,599
Re: I think that's a mistake to get 3N and 5200

Amamba wrote:

wb2trf wrote:

I agree that a P&S is not much better than a good phone cam in bright light, but my statement stands about not being able to see the difference at normal viewing distance.

But anyway your plan makes sense. The difficulty of the AF on Nex is wildly exaggerated here. You'll probably like the Nex. It certainly takes much better pictures at higher ISOs than any small sensor camera including the RX100. (Also its great if you like pixel peeping bright light photos.)

I had absolutely terrible time focusing on moving subjects in a dimly lit room with Nex F3, but it had as much to do with very slow focus on SEL50F1.8 as with PDAF. Otherwise, tracking moving subjects was not a problem.

Good to hear.... and while i have kids and want something to track them... I'm not a huge sports hound trying to get all the difficult shots... but basic tracking... yes I do want that.

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Panasonic LX100 Nikon D600 Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G VR Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG OS HSM Nikon AF-S Nikkor 24-120mm f/4G ED VR +2 more
Amamba
Amamba Senior Member • Posts: 1,854
Re: I think that's a mistake to get 3N and 5200

ohcello wrote:

Amamba wrote:

wb2trf wrote:

I agree that a P&S is not much better than a good phone cam in bright light, but my statement stands about not being able to see the difference at normal viewing distance.

But anyway your plan makes sense. The difficulty of the AF on Nex is wildly exaggerated here. You'll probably like the Nex. It certainly takes much better pictures at higher ISOs than any small sensor camera including the RX100. (Also its great if you like pixel peeping bright light photos.)

I had absolutely terrible time focusing on moving subjects in a dimly lit room with Nex F3, but it had as much to do with very slow focus on SEL50F1.8 as with PDAF. Otherwise, tracking moving subjects was not a problem.

Good to hear.... and while i have kids and want something to track them... I'm not a huge sports hound trying to get all the difficult shots... but basic tracking... yes I do want that.

In good light, I don't see tracking as a problem.

In poor light, I am planning on eventually getting a LAEA2 and some fast focusing lens but only if it becomes a problem.

I didn't have any issues shooting my kids' karate competition with Sigma 19/2.8. The light was very bad.

 Amamba's gear list:Amamba's gear list
Sony Alpha NEX-6 Sony Alpha NEX-F3 Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS Sony E 16mm F2.8 Pancake Sony E 50mm F1.8 OSS +8 more
Har L OP New Member • Posts: 9
Re: Go for the D5200

Some of the inputs here has been very helpful in helping me focus on the more important factors between the two cameras. In the end, I finally decided to get the Nkon D5200. As I mentioned earlier, for now I don't mind the size (at least for now). If I want to do more, I like the potential cost and options available. So far it's been great (although I do feel that I will be equally happy with NEX 6 in different ways), but I definitely need to spend more time with it, and improving my skills.

Pr B Junior Member • Posts: 33
Re: Choosing between Nikon D5200 or Sony NEX6

I have a parallel struggle.  I have a Sony NEX-6, with the 55-210mm lens.  The lens is a little slow/dark at 210mm: f/6.3.  And AF at that length can be a bit spotty.

I use my camera mainly for birding and for hikes in the woods with the dogs.  At 315mm equivalent focal length, that's a bit inadequate for birding.

I'm tempted to trade to a Nikon D3300, with the 55-300mm lens, which is a bit faster/brighter at 300mm: f/5.6.  The equivalent focal length of 450mm is within the lower end of birding range.  And, of course, DSLR AF is more spot-on.

I estimate the volume and the weight of the D3300, as rigged, to be about 2/3s more than the NEX-6.

I've been happy with the IQ of the Sony.  Is the extra focal length, brighter lens, and faster AF worth the extra bulk?

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