Street photo - C&C welcomes

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Arnaud M
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C&C welcomes

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lazy lightning Regular Member • Posts: 174
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Or the title could read, "Leave me alone and point that $2500 toy of yours at a pretty landscape or even a brick wall, I'm trying to survive day to day on these mean, cold streets."

Tommot1965 Contributing Member • Posts: 995
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Not really CC is it..you sure you're interested in Photography ?....thats what we do..we record images your comment is unhelpful and frankly not needed .

lazy lightning wrote:

Or the title could read, "Leave me alone and point that $2500 toy of yours at a pretty landscape or even a brick wall, I'm trying to survive day to day on these mean, cold streets."

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michaeladawson Veteran Member • Posts: 9,380
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Tommot1965 wrote:

Not really CC is it..you sure you're interested in Photography ?....thats what we do..we record images your comment is unhelpful and frankly not needed .

lazy lightning wrote:

Or the title could read, "Leave me alone and point that $2500 toy of yours at a pretty landscape or even a brick wall, I'm trying to survive day to day on these mean, cold streets."

What does CC stand for in your book?  I think that is exactly what he was doing.  I believe his comment/critique/criticism of the photo is that he finds the specific subject matter to be cliché and uninteresting.  Mind you, that's not my comment, I'm only interpreting what the other person wrote.

Unhelpful?  Maybe, maybe not.  Not needed?  Maybe, but the OP asked for C&C.

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Arnaud,

Street is hard and this one is pretty good, 2 comments:

1. I find the bicycle reflection distracting, personally I would crop it out.

2. The lighting is flat, with some PP you could make the lighting more dramatic and that would add some texture to the subjects skin

just my 2 cents worth.

CZR

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Ernie Misner
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Anyone find it odd or interesting that there is a safe in the window right behind him?   It's bound to be real expensive and will hold unknown valuables.   A bit of a paradox because the poor chap has only a few cents to his name.   I definitely feel for him and wish I could lift him up a bit.   Guess you could say it's depressing and maybe better left alone?

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Hokkaido Jan
Hokkaido Jan Regular Member • Posts: 223
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Hi.

The photo is a great one, and technically it's fine.

But I have to agree morally it's a little off.

The guy is probably at his lowest, and really doesn't need someone recording it for their own pleasure. (let's face it when we take photos it is for our pleasure, others pleasure or profit)

Can't you imagine how you would feel knowing a photo of you is being spread around the internet/galleries etc showing you in your own private hell?

I like the photo in technical terms, but yeah I think it should at least be kept private?

Cheers, HJ.

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Arnaud M
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I hear your comments and thank you for making your opinions. The consensus that emerges from them is that this photo disturbing. The plight of this homeless man probably hits you and therefore it is best to ignore the distress and certainly not the show.

Unfortunately, this is indicative of today's society that prefers to look the other way while hunting the homeless in city centers because they interfere.

It is much less disturbing to see the harsh images of war-torn bodies flooding the media because it is going away from us.

While this misery, she is at our feet, to reach our comfortable lives.

Somehow, I'm glad this photo do react if to win general acceptance.

I do not expect you to change your mind, but ask yourself the reason why you feel that way.

The paradox is what it is. A poor guy collecting a few meager coins to survive in the background with this safe symbol of wealth.

Thank you for reading me.

PS: Sorry for my english but it is not my native language and it is not easy to express this kind of feeling.

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mikemsphoto Senior Member • Posts: 1,534
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I think the elements for a strong image are there but I also think you could improve it by shooting from a lower viewpoint. By standing and shooting down at the subject it ends up feeling a bit voyeuristic and grabbed.
If you went down to his level but still included him, the safe and his hat, I think it might be a more effective image. You could also tell the guy about the safe behind him and why you think it's an interesting image and see if he'd go along with it as a tighter shot. Then you could drop a decent contribution in his hat and you'd both be happy.
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lazy lightning Regular Member • Posts: 174
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Aside from having an uncaring attitude towards someone obviously going through a hard time in this life, it's just a boring photo. A subject which if we choose to notice are all to common these days and very easy pickin's. That your chosen target happened to have a few coins in his hat and an open safe behind him creating a juxtaposition doesn't make this a good street photo. It's a played out scenario that has been done to death. A fat lady eating a donut in front of a Weight Watchers storefront, an old man, bent and drawn from the years dressed in a suit, tie and hat standing by a modern billboard for Ralph Lauren showing an impossibly fit young kid wearing nothing but undershorts, etc. These types of photos have been made for years, some with greater success but most are rather mundane.

Street photography is not a definable genre other than a photo of someone generally in a place whether it be on a street proper or not. I believe a good street photo should tell a compelling story and or have an interesting subject. A shot of some homeless dude on the street is a dime a dozen these days. It doesn't make it any more profound when you notice an open safe behind him and think, "wow, that's deep man."

reginalddwight Senior Member • Posts: 2,003
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I think what some forum members are suggesting is a prevailing notion held by many street shooters. Don't go for the easy shots of street performers and homeless. These tend to be banal and done to death.

I would have squatted and shot from a lower perspective. You could still include his hat in the foreground and safe in the background. Getting interesting patterns, shapes, textures, side-lighting, and shadows make for more interesting B&W photos and can elevate a shot from an ordinary snapshot to a keeper.

ARB1
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http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2010/06/21/100-things-i-have-learned-about-photography/

Eric Kim makes some good point about street photography and one is:

#66. Shooting photos of homeless people in an attempt to be “artsy” is exploitation.

I always try to be aware of that fine line when I'm out shooting folks on the streets, but at times it can be a very fine line.

This guy preaches on the streets every morning and is always at rest in the evening, kinda like he used all his energy saving the world earlier in the day, so I felt a bit more comfortable shooting him at this point. The fact that he had headphones on helped ease my mind also. If he had looked like he was really on the skids I probably would have passed on taking the shot.

Also, he will never ask for money but just hands out flyers and preaches to those passing by.

Resting Preacher

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Arnaud M wrote:

I hear your comments and thank you for making your opinions. The consensus that emerges from them is that this photo disturbing. The plight of this homeless man probably hits you and therefore it is best to ignore the distress and certainly not the show.

Unfortunately, this is indicative of today's society that prefers to look the other way while hunting the homeless in city centers because they interfere.

It is much less disturbing to see the harsh images of war-torn bodies flooding the media because it is going away from us.

While this misery, she is at our feet, to reach our comfortable lives.

Somehow, I'm glad this photo do react if to win general acceptance.

I do not expect you to change your mind, but ask yourself the reason why you feel that way.

The paradox is what it is. A poor guy collecting a few meager coins to survive in the background with this safe symbol of wealth.

Thank you for reading me.

PS: Sorry for my english but it is not my native language and it is not easy to express this kind of feeling.

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You're not creating awareness for a good cause.

You're just another amateur photographer taking amateur photos and now fishing for virtual kudos.

You should sell your camera and give that guy the money, I guarantee it will be the most constructive thing you'll ever do with it.

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Prairie Pal Senior Member • Posts: 2,472
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Ernie Misner wrote:

Anyone find it odd or interesting that there is a safe in the window right behind him? It's bound to be real expensive and will hold unknown valuables. A bit of a paradox because the poor chap has only a few cents to his name. I definitely feel for him and wish I could lift him up a bit. Guess you could say it's depressing and maybe better left alone?

I saw that too.  I thought it added some irony.  People coming into the shop for a safe to keep their valuables safe, meanwhile the man is sitting on a plastic bag containing his few valuables.

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Ivan

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But I have to agree morally it's a little off.

The guy is probably at his lowest, and really doesn't need someone recording it for their own pleasure. (let's face it when we take photos it is for our pleasure, others pleasure or profit)

Can't you imagine how you would feel knowing a photo of you is being spread around the internet/galleries etc showing you in your own private hell?

You got it.  I think to truly tell a story of suffering, one must use their imagination to convince themselves for a few minutes that "they themselves" are in that position, and then express that feeling in the way they approach the photograph.

The exposure may be technically correct, but so would a picture of a parking meter.  The picture looks like the photographer just walked up to the man pointed his camera down and clicked, as if he couldn't even be bothered to bend down, stand back, compose with story telling information.

I'm not suggesting that's the way it happened..just say'n that's what the photograph looks like to me.  The way it's shot I get a strong sense that the camera has turned inward and has portrayed human insensitivity.

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Arnaud M wrote:

I hear your comments and thank you for making your opinions. The consensus that emerges from them is that this photo disturbing. The plight of this homeless man probably hits you and therefore it is best to ignore the distress and certainly not the show.

I don't agree with this. The photo isn't compelling--I'm not feeling the suffering. As others have mentioned, the perspective is not well done. Get down to his level and make it more personal--and show less space above. Another option would be to show more of the surroundings with the man as the focal point.

Personally though, I would feel guilty of exploiting his situation just so I can have a photo to show off at DPR. Too many photographers take photos of suffering and poverty then think it's automatically good photography or art. It takes much skill to do it in a respectful manner.

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Arnaud M
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Contrary to what some people say, I never claimed that this photo was art, I just asked your opinion. Some are constructive, and I hear your criticism and thank you.

Too bad some comments also show insulting.

It reproaches me for not respecting this man photographing, some do the same in writing so.

As for the stupid remarks on the sale of my equipment, I will let you appreciate the intelligence of this remark.

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Arnaud M wrote:

Contrary to what some people say, I never claimed that this photo was art, I just asked your opinion. Some are constructive, and I hear your criticism and thank you.

Too bad some comments also show insulting.

It reproaches me for not respecting this man photographing, some do the same in writing so.

As for the stupid remarks on the sale of my equipment, I will let you appreciate the intelligence of this remark.

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If someone suggested you sell your gear because of a photo then that person has some real issues.  I've found that there are some really unhappy folks here that take pleasure in cutting other's down while calling it constructive criticism.  Those folks need to just be passed over and not fed with a reply.

Happy shooting an enjoy the streets

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mikemsphoto Senior Member • Posts: 1,534
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Arnaud M wrote:

Contrary to what some people say, I never claimed that this photo was art, I just asked your opinion. Some are constructive, and I hear your criticism and thank you.

Too bad some comments also show insulting.

It reproaches me for not respecting this man photographing, some do the same in writing so.

As for the stupid remarks on the sale of my equipment, I will let you appreciate the intelligence of this remark.

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Sometimes it's easier for people to criticize other peoples work rather than show any work of their own Arnaud. Some image concepts work and others not so much. You only learn by doing.

I was probably in a similar thought process to you when I saw a blind beggar sitting outside an eyeglasses store in old Delhi. I took the shot, but don't know that the image succeeded that well either.

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lazy lightning Regular Member • Posts: 174
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Arnaud M wrote:

Contrary to what some people say, I never claimed that this photo was art, I just asked your opinion.

Too bad some comments also show insulting.

You ask for "Critique & Criticism" then don't like it when it's not what you want to hear.

You claim to be insulted by other photographers reactions when it is you that chose to display a photo on a very popular and public forum of a man at what may be the lowest point in his life.

Old people, street people, people sleeping on the sidewalk, people with their backs to you, shooting people from a distance, these type of subjects are too easy and rarely make a compelling street photo.

You got to get into the middle of it, smell the street, feel the street, mix it up!

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