Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M

Started Aug 8, 2013 | Discussions
HaroldC3
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Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M
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So based on this thread: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51906584

I decided to try the Flipback G4 grip. My grip arrived today and instead of modifying the grip by digging it out to fit around the existing stock grip, I just removed the stock grip altogether.

The stock grip is held in place with some double-sided adhesive, so it came off relatively easy.

Since the underneath had some holes, I decided to seal them up with some simple scotch tape. Not the greatest sealer but better than nothing.

The grip had adhesive already on the backside so it was easy to apply. Just give the area a quick wipe with some a damp cloth to make sure there's no dirt and apply the grip. My initial reactions are very positive. The grip is tacky and does really give you a more secure grip of the camera without adding too much bulk.

I bought my grip off ebay from China but that was before someone else pointed out it is available from B&H.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/913686-REG/flipbac_fbg4_flipbac_camera_grip_g4.html

Happy Shooting!

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Joe Talks Photo Gear
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Re: Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M

nice job.

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UCSB
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Re: Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M

That looks great!  Thanks for the photos.

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Dedcakes
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Re: Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M

Cool, looks more comfortable to hold and it seems like it would fit in your pocket just the same.

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delete-pending Regular Member • Posts: 161
Re: Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M

Excellent mod, I am glad to see that removing the original grip was easy. Sealing the holes with sticky tape is a perfectly valid approach, electrical insulating tape would be another option. As soon as I have some time I intend to do exactly the same, the original grip is a bit on small side.

AdamT
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One point of thought

It looks far better than previous Flipbacs which looked cheap and tacky.

One point - maybe sealing the holes with tape has reduced the effectiveness of the grip's sticking ability as a large portion is stuck to the tape and not the camera body - also wouidn`t the grip itself seal the camera of dust ?

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delete-pending
delete-pending Regular Member • Posts: 161
Re: One point of thought

Most likely the bond is sufficiently strong. Flipback says that the glue they use is "quality 3M adhesive" by which they probably mean double sided VHB (very high bond) 3M tape, most likely very thin 20-40Mils type commonly used in similar accessories (for example in Richard Franiec grips). The 3M VHB tapes are industrial grade and have excellent properties. They can withstand much higher environmental condition than a camera can, their expected life is over 25 years, more in non-harsh industrial environments, and require very little area to form strong grip.

Removing an item mounted with 3M VHB tape is difficult. The easiest way is to move in sawing motion a thin, strong wire between the tape and the base it is glued to. If you do not want toscratch the surface, dental floss works well as well. And forget about straight pulling, twisting or heating up to remove it (3M VHB can withstand around 300 °F for days).

AdamT wrote:

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One point - maybe sealing the holes with tape has reduced the effectiveness of the grip's sticking ability as a large portion is stuck to the tape and not the camera body - also wouidn`t the grip itself seal the camera of dust ?

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AdamT
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Re: One point of thought

Most likely the bond is sufficiently strong. Flipback says that the glue they use is "quality 3M adhesive" by which they probably mean double sided VHB (very high bond) 3M tape, most likely very thin 20-40Mils type commonly used in similar accessories (for example in Richard Franiec grips).

Fine but not when a good area of it is relying on a bit of scotch tape to attach to the body as is the case in the OP  - that was my point - leave off the scotch tape and let the grip do the sealing

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rjjr Forum Pro • Posts: 14,764
Re: One point of thought

AdamT wrote:

Fine but not when a good area of it is relying on a bit of scotch tape to attach to the body as is the case in the OP - that was my point - leave off the scotch tape and let the grip do the sealing

I was thinking the same thing...to me the tape seems to be superfluous.

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Re: One point of thought

Yes, the tape is superfluous. However (looking at the OP photos) there is sufficient margin outside of the tape to provide a continuous path min. 2-3mm wide (considerably wider on left and right) in direct contact between the grip adhesive and aluminum EOS-M body surface. Most of the area covered by the tape is recessed, and it would not be in contact with the adhesive, tape or no tape. The center of the grip is also recessed (void) and not designed to adhere to anything. Keep in mind that in this application (not an industrial, harsh environment, no direct exposure to chemicals) around 1mm wide path around the grip would be sufficient to assure very strong adhesion. I would not worry about it at all.

rjjr wrote:

AdamT wrote:

Fine but not when a good area of it is relying on a bit of scotch tape to attach to the body as is the case in the OP - that was my point - leave off the scotch tape and let the grip do the sealing

I was thinking the same thing...to me the tape seems to be superfluous.

Markintosh
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Re: One point of thought

if you looking B&H link from original post — on 3rd image you can see an empty era on the centre on the grip. this area supposed to fit an original grip on S100 and other cameras. this make the extra tape on the holes from original grip much more sense.

dottore wrote:

Yes, the tape is superfluous. However (looking at the OP photos) there is sufficient margin outside of the tape to provide a continuous path min. 2-3mm wide (considerably wider on left and right) in direct contact between the grip adhesive and aluminum EOS-M body surface. Most of the area covered by the tape is recessed, and it would not be in contact with the adhesive, tape or no tape. The center of the grip is also recessed (void) and not designed to adhere to anything. Keep in mind that in this application (not an industrial, harsh environment, no direct exposure to chemicals) around 1mm wide path around the grip would be sufficient to assure very strong adhesion. I would not worry about it at all.

rjjr wrote:

AdamT wrote:

Fine but not when a good area of it is relying on a bit of scotch tape to attach to the body as is the case in the OP - that was my point - leave off the scotch tape and let the grip do the sealing

I was thinking the same thing...to me the tape seems to be superfluous.

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Re: Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M

I'm sure that this is a dumb question but how did you decide that the G4 was the correct Flipbac grip for the EOS M as opposed to the other ones they make?  I hate not having a good grip on the EOS M so I'm pretty interested in any solution that makes holding it securely better.

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HaroldC3
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Re: Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M

Well it was based on the other thread I referenced plus I have had the Panasonic gx1 camera in the past and this grip looks similar to that grip.  I really liked that grip because it was so tacky feeling so I went with it.

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Re: Flipbac G4 Grip for Eos M

The grip looks great.

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rjjr Forum Pro • Posts: 14,764
Re: One point of thought

dottore wrote:

Yes, the tape is superfluous.

Yup, I thought as much.

back alley Regular Member • Posts: 145
Re: One point of thought

any long term feedback on this grip?

still on your camera?

still working ?

happy with it?

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Re: One point of thought

any long term feedback on this grip?

still on your camera?

still working ?

happy with it?

I actually sold that camera and now have a different camera with the Franiec grip on it. I think I like the Franiec grip better but it's 3 times as much.

Still I just ordered an M2 and will be ordering a Franiwc grip (which Richard said he should have some in by the end of April)
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back alley Regular Member • Posts: 145
Re: One point of thought

HaroldC3 wrote:

any long term feedback on this grip?

still on your camera?

still working ?

happy with it?

I actually sold that camera and now have a different camera with the Franiec grip on it. I think I like the Franiec grip better but it's 3 times as much.

Still I just ordered an M2 and will be ordering a Franiwc grip (which Richard said he should have some in by the end of April)
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what's better about the franiec?

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jcm65 Forum Member • Posts: 63
Re: One point of thought

I purchased from amazon and it came from Adorama.  I had it for 6 months and it works well.

HaroldC3
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Re: One point of thought

back alley wrote:

HaroldC3 wrote:

any long term feedback on this grip?

still on your camera?

still working ?

happy with it?

I actually sold that camera and now have a different camera with the Franiec grip on it. I think I like the Franiec grip better but it's 3 times as much.

Still I just ordered an M2 and will be ordering a Franiwc grip (which Richard said he should have some in by the end of April)
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what's better about the franiec?

More to grip on to.  At first I didn't like that it was metal and liked the rubber feeling of the G4 grip but then I came to like the fact that the Franiec grip is just a little deeper and allows for a firmer grip.

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