7D - 70D - 7D2

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Birdman7
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7D - 70D - 7D2

Prior to the release of the EOS 70D, many would have thought that the specs of that camera, which were posted on some online rumour sites, could well have belonged to be that of the 7D2,  especially taking into account the similarities in sensor performance of the 5D3 compared to its predecessor.  Canon's 'incremental update' policy probably also gave credence to beliefs those rumoured specs indeed belonged to the 7D2.

In hindsight, those rumours were slightly off the mark,  although the other ramblings of a 24MP APS-C camera being tested in the field could well be the sensor used in the upcoming 7D2. The 70D, seems to have been fitted with some interesting performance features, such as the 7D AF module, customisation and 7FPS. Its quite a comprehensive feature list for a xxD body, and areasonable improvement from a camera to whom its closely related (7D) but not meant to replace.

Which brings us back to the question, are any inovative features going to be incorporated into the 7D2 that we dont know of, apart from the suspected WIFI, GPS, perhaps dual-pixel focus etc?  The release of the 70D may be a sign that Canon has heard past complaints from its customers  and will release a sucessor to the 7D with a substantial feature list Improvement

We wont have to wait too long!

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RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 29,535
Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2
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Birdman7 wrote:

Prior to the release of the EOS 70D, many would have thought that the specs of that camera, which were posted on some online rumour sites, could well have belonged to be that of the 7D2, especially taking into account the similarities in sensor performance of the 5D3 compared to its predecessor. Canon's 'incremental update' policy probably also gave credence to beliefs those rumoured specs indeed belonged to the 7D2.

Says, who?  I think just you.  The 70D's less than 100% OVF, less than 8 fps, SD card, non magnesium body, and flip-out LCD are all red flags to not be a 7D2.

In hindsight, those rumours were slightly off the mark, although the other ramblings of a 24MP APS-C camera being tested in the field could well be the sensor used in the upcoming 7D2. The 70D, seems to have been fitted with some interesting performance features, such as the 7D AF module, customisation and 7FPS. Its quite a comprehensive feature list for a xxD body, and areasonable improvement from a camera to whom its closely related (7D) but not meant to replace.

Which brings us back to the question, are any inovative features going to be incorporated into the 7D2 that we dont know of, apart from the suspected WIFI, GPS, perhaps dual-pixel focus etc?

My guess is neither of those go into the 7D2.  Those are gimmicks that usually don't go into a Pro model.

The release of the 70D may be a sign that Canon has heard past complaints from its customers and will release a sucessor to the 7D with a substantial feature list Improvement

Just look at the 5D3.  1D-series AF and 2 added fps.

We wont have to wait too long!

Canonrumors suggest no 7D2 shipped this year, although it might be announced.  If it were to be announced this year shipping next year I would not think it be announced until October or November.

Pritzl Senior Member • Posts: 1,474
Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

Gimmicks or not, I'd be highly surprised if dual-pixel AF and WiFi at least don't make it on to the 7D mark II.

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

Pritzl wrote:

Gimmicks or not, I'd be highly surprised if dual-pixel AF and WiFi at least don't make it on to the 7D mark II.

+1. I expect the 7D2 will have all the features of the 70D, but exceed the 70D in areas where the 7D is already a pace setter. Specifically, I expect:

  • The sensor for dual-oixel AF
  • 100% OVF coverage
  • Programmable tracking parameters exceeding those in the 7D
  • Articulated LCD
  • 20-24 megapixel sensor
  • Same weather proofing as 7D -- or better
  • Dual-memory card slots: CF & SD/SDHC/SDXC

But I'm less convinced about wi-fi and GPS, likely because I have cameras with those features and don't use them

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

The way I see it, if the 70D were a replacement for the 7D it would have spot AF (and the other advanced PD AF features that didn't carry over).

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

WilbaW wrote:

The way I see it, if the 70D were a replacement for the 7D it would have spot AF (and the other advanced PD AF features that didn't carry over).

60D has spot AF, I would assume 70D has it as well.

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skanter wrote:

WilbaW wrote:

The way I see it, if the 70D were a replacement for the 7D it would have spot AF (and the other advanced PD AF features that didn't carry over).

60D has spot AF

What page in the instruction manual tells me how to do that?

I would assume 70D has it as well.

Can you find it in the instruction manual?

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Alastair Norcross Veteran Member • Posts: 7,090
Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2
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skanter wrote:

WilbaW wrote:

The way I see it, if the 70D were a replacement for the 7D it would have spot AF (and the other advanced PD AF features that didn't carry over).

60D has spot AF, I would assume 70D has it as well.

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Sam K., NYC

Really? I've never seen a mention of it in posts or the DPR review of the 60D. But, I don't have the 60D, so I'm not an expert.

Edit: I've just double-checked the DPR reviews of the 7D and the 60D. On the specifications page, under AF point selection, spot focusing is specifically mentioned for the 7D, but not for the 60D. It's a feature of the AF module in the 7D. AFAIK the 60D's AF is the same as the 50D, which I had, and which definitely didn't have spot AF.

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Karl Gnter Wnsch Forum Pro • Posts: 11,408
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skanter wrote:

WilbaW wrote:

The way I see it, if the 70D were a replacement for the 7D it would have spot AF (and the other advanced PD AF features that didn't carry over).

60D has spot AF,

The 60D doesn't have spot AF because the AF sensor doesn't provide it.

I would assume 70D has it as well.

And here you assume wrongly: Although the AF sensor does provide the necessary hardware the 70D does not allow Spot-AF!

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hires Regular Member • Posts: 429
Re: Wrong on both accounts!

What is the difference between center point and spot AF?  My 550D has center point as did my 30D.  From this thread it sounds like the 7D might be the better camera for bird photography with the 400 5.6?

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Center point vs. spot AF
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hires wrote:

What is the difference between center point and spot AF? My 550D has center point as did my 30D. From this thread it sounds like the 7D might be the better camera for bird photography with the 400 5.6?

Spot AF is to autofocus as spot metering is metering.  It enables you to focus accurately in an area that might be very busy with potential targets.  Think, for example, of shooting a small bird sitting on a branch surrounded by foilage.  A standard AF sensor is large enough that the surrounding foilage may confuse it and in a situation where you're shooting long with thin DOF, you will not get accurate focus acquisition on the target.  With spot AF, the AF sensor is smaller and will have the capability of picking a smaller, high contrast area and hopefully eliminate surrounding clutter that could throw off focus.

I haven't had the opportunity or need to use it extensively on my 7D, but for those few times where I've needed it, it's been invaluable.  There were definitely cases where standard AF simply could not properly acquire a target and the only way to accurately nail the target would be manual focus or spot AF.

Center point simply defines one of the points available for AF.  If you have spot AF enabled on the 7D, it can be used with any of the AF points you've selected including the center point.

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

skanter wrote:

WilbaW wrote:

The way I see it, if the 70D were a replacement for the 7D it would have spot AF (and the other advanced PD AF features that didn't carry over).

60D has spot AF, I would assume 70D has it as well.

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Sam K., NYC

Hi Sam,

Could it be you mistaken weighing exposure for locked af point(s) in evaluative?

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

PC Wheeler wrote:

Pritzl wrote:

Gimmicks or not, I'd be highly surprised if dual-pixel AF and WiFi at least don't make it on to the 7D mark II.

+1. I expect the 7D2 will have all the features of the 70D, but exceed the 70D in areas where the 7D is already a pace setter. Specifically, I expect:

  • The sensor for dual-oixel AF
  • 100% OVF coverage
  • Programmable tracking parameters exceeding those in the 7D
  • Articulated LCD
  • 20-24 megapixel sensor
  • Same weather proofing as 7D -- or better

Don't think same weather sealing can happen with a flip-out LCD.

  • Dual-memory card slots: CF & SD/SDHC/SDXC

But I'm less convinced about wi-fi and GPS, likely because I have cameras with those features and don't use them

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

RedFox88 wrote:

Birdman7 wrote:

Prior to the release of the EOS 70D, many would have thought that the specs of that camera, which were posted on some online rumour sites, could well have belonged to be that of the 7D2, especially taking into account the similarities in sensor performance of the 5D3 compared to its predecessor. Canon's 'incremental update' policy probably also gave credence to beliefs those rumoured specs indeed belonged to the 7D2.

Says, who? I think just you. The 70D's less than 100% OVF, less than 8 fps, SD card, non magnesium body, and flip-out LCD are all red flags to not be a 7D2.

In hindsight, those rumours were slightly off the mark, although the other ramblings of a 24MP APS-C camera being tested in the field could well be the sensor used in the upcoming 7D2. The 70D, seems to have been fitted with some interesting performance features, such as the 7D AF module, customisation and 7FPS. Its quite a comprehensive feature list for a xxD body, and areasonable improvement from a camera to whom its closely related (7D) but not meant to replace.

Which brings us back to the question, are any inovative features going to be incorporated into the 7D2 that we dont know of, apart from the suspected WIFI, GPS, perhaps dual-pixel focus etc?

My guess is neither of those go into the 7D2. Those are gimmicks that usually don't go into a Pro model.

You could be right about GPS, but I think wifi is going to become as standard as AF.

The release of the 70D may be a sign that Canon has heard past complaints from its customers and will release a sucessor to the 7D with a substantial feature list Improvement

Just look at the 5D3. 1D-series AF and 2 added fps.

We wont have to wait too long!

Canonrumors suggest no 7D2 shipped this year, although it might be announced. If it were to be announced this year shipping next year I would not think it be announced until October or November.

I don't know that Canon has ever announced a camera late in the year to have it released the following year;  typically those announcements have been in Jan/Feb with the camera released only a month or 2 later at the most.

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

PC Wheeler wrote:

Pritzl wrote:

Gimmicks or not, I'd be highly surprised if dual-pixel AF and WiFi at least don't make it on to the 7D mark II.

+1. I expect the 7D2 will have all the features of the 70D, but exceed the 70D in areas where the 7D is already a pace setter. Specifically, I expect:

  • The sensor for dual-oixel AF
  • 100% OVF coverage
  • Programmable tracking parameters exceeding those in the 7D
  • Articulated LCD
  • 20-24 megapixel sensor
  • Same weather proofing as 7D -- or better
  • Dual-memory card slots: CF & SD/SDHC/SDXC

But I'm less convinced about wi-fi and GPS, likely because I have cameras with those features and don't use them

So because youdon't use wifi and GPS, you think Canon won't put them in the 7D2? I think you overestimate your importance

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RedFox88 wrote:

Don't think same weather sealing can happen with a flip-out LCD

One O-ring and done. A lot simpler than weatherproofing a lens/body connection or even the jacks under the flippy rubber boots.

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RedFox88 wrote:

PC Wheeler wrote:

Same weather proofing as 7D -- or better

Don't think same weather sealing can happen with a flip-out LCD.

Somehow Olympus did it very successfully with the E3 and the E5. Many people have reported it as "waterproof".

There are many youtube videos "floating" around (pun intended) showing the E3 and the E5 being dunked in water or in the shower or water being poured on.

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Frederik Paul Regular Member • Posts: 105
Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

The 7D Mk. II will be a stunning camera full of current and new technology that will bring this class to a new level. Canon simply waits for Nikon to blink first. And I hope that the 7D Mk. II will get a built-in vertical grip with more powerful powerpack to rival the 1Dx's AF. So, basically a mini 1Dx.

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

Frederik Paul wrote:

The 7D Mk. II will be a stunning camera full of current and new technology that will bring this class to a new level. Canon simply waits for Nikon to blink first. And I hope that the 7D Mk. II will get a built-in vertical grip with more powerful powerpack to rival the 1Dx's AF. So, basically a mini 1Dx.

If it has a built-in vertical grip (which it won't have), how would it be a mini 1DX? Wouldn't it be the same size as the 1DX, more or less?

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Re: 7D - 70D - 7D2

Frederik Paul wrote:

The 7D Mk. II will be a stunning camera full of current and new technology that will bring this class to a new level. Canon simply waits for Nikon to blink first. And I hope that the 7D Mk. II will get a built-in vertical grip with more powerful powerpack to rival the 1Dx's AF. So, basically a mini 1Dx.

Im pretty convinced it will not have a built-in vertical grip, but I DO HOPE the grip will have a rubber gasket on the inner - outer region to protect from dust & moisture ingress, a simple feature which non of the other vertical grips have.

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