FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Started Jul 18, 2013 | Discussions
Hatstand Senior Member • Posts: 1,542
LA8 adapter...?!

I note they still support the LT55 teleconverter via a new LA8 adapter tube. That would give a max of 2040mm equiv. Panny's image stabilisation is good, but even so -  surely 2040mm is unusable without a Very Serious Tripod?!

What interests me, is the new LA8 adapter. Adapter tubes are often shared between more than one Panny model. Will the successor to the FZ200 also use the LA8? That would indicate a larger lens assembly, an expanded zoom range, and a similar overall size.

I hope so. I don't mind larger size if it means 20mm at the wide end, more zoom at the long end, and a more comfortable grip.

Forget 1200mm though, I'd rather have a lower maximum zoom and faster apertures instead. eg. 900mm would mean I could leave my 1.5x teleconverter at home, when I go to airshows...

sherman_levine
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Here's the link to the marketing page
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MarioV Veteran Member • Posts: 6,766
Re: Missed Opportunity ? 20mm - no thanks
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AdamT wrote:

I think they`ve missed the opportunity to break ground with the zoom end - WHY have they tried 20mm at the wide ?, 24mm is distorted and software corrected too much in these cameras to begin with , 20mm is more for specialist shooting and lets face it, these kind of cams are telephoto end of the Zoom oriented designs ........

I`d have made it a very safe 28mm at the wide (less CA, distortion and better edges) and gone for a crazy groundbreaking 1680mm long end to really kick butt for Birding and plane spotting (Heck Astrophotography too) - the more popular 24mm option would have given 1440mm of zoom power even ...... OK I know a few here are arging against even 1200mm but the SX50 can be easily handheld at 1200mm with its top notch IS but even slower lens (40th sec is what I managed in Winter when I had one)

but to waste the zoom ratio on the 20-24mm range is IMO a poor move. even those who have DSLR and mirrorless lenses which cover those FOVs generally use them the least compared to the standard zoom and unless the cam has a default of resting and Initializing at 24mm (and even a Pause before it goes wider) , the 20mm wide end will become more of a pain than of use ......

Just mu Opinion of course

Totally agree.

24 - 1440, 25 - 1500 or even 28 - 1680.  Give it a nice EVF and 1080p60 video.  I might have jumped on board.

I think they've dumbed it down for a quick cheap sale.  Most buyers only see the big numbers.

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a 1/1.7" super zoom.  Maybe even a 1" sensor zoom.

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MarioV Veteran Member • Posts: 6,766
Re: Here's the link to the marketing page

sherman_levine wrote:

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/fz70_fz72/index.html

Look at the left side of the ultra wide angle shot.  I wonder if that's the actual distortion you'll get at 20mm.

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Re: LA8 adapter...?!

Hatstand wrote:

I note they still support the LT55 teleconverter via a new LA8 adapter tube. That would give a max of 2040mm equiv. Panny's image stabilisation is good, but even so - surely 2040mm is unusable without a Very Serious Tripod?!

What interests me, is the new LA8 adapter. Adapter tubes are often shared between more than one Panny model. Will the successor to the FZ200 also use the LA8? That would indicate a larger lens assembly, an expanded zoom range, and a similar overall size.

I hope so. I don't mind larger size if it means 20mm at the wide end, more zoom at the long end, and a more comfortable grip.

Forget 1200mm though, I'd rather have a lower maximum zoom and faster apertures instead. eg. 900mm would mean I could leave my 1.5x teleconverter at home, when I go to airshows...

or you could just shoot larger planes

Sherm

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bolador Contributing Member • Posts: 534
Re: Shoots Raw

Unlike it's predecessor, the FZ60, Raw capability was added to the FZ70. 60X seems nice, but would have to see test shots for lens quality at that length. $399 is nice, but fixed lcd screen and a low-res EVF. It all seems like it was made to compete against other bridge cameras. My only concern with the release of the FZ70 is whether Panasonic will leave it as it's only bridge camera and give up on a successor to the FZ200.

FZ 70 is meant to be the cheap model. That's why there are some cuts... price is low....

Question is... will be an FZ200 succesor??...... or is it a dead line as FZ50?

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bolador Contributing Member • Posts: 534
Re: Lens is not Leica Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Paramose wrote:

No leica Lens

Quote:
It's important to note that Panasonic manufactures its own lenses in its Yamagata factory, which gives the company an advantage over others in terms of access and cost.

But how about the Quality ? can we compare it with Leica Lens ?

FZ72, the European model shows a local sign in her front..
http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/panasonic-fz70-analisis-fotos,1_9934

(Look at the pictures if you can't read Spanish )

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SHood Veteran Member • Posts: 5,098
Re: I am very afraid..,

GeraldW wrote:

...that this is the FZ250. It has a hot shoe. It's f/2.8 at 20 mm; but what's the f/# at a more useful 28 or 35 mm?

that has always been the problem with going wider.  The lens becomes less useful indoors at the focal lengths required.  I suspect it will be at f4 by 28-35mm.

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Re: Here's the link to the marketing page

MarioV wrote:

sherman_levine wrote:

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/fz70_fz72/index.html

Look at the left side of the ultra wide angle shot. I wonder if that's the actual distortion you'll get at 20mm.

I think it's just the subject.  Check out this image from Bolador's link (you can click to view it at 100%).

The center image (the 2000mm view without the iZoom) looks pretty impressive as well

http://www.quesabesde.com/camdig/noticias/FZ70_zoom_600g.jpg

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jonwilly Contributing Member • Posts: 975
Re: I am very afraid..,
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Mikedigi wrote:!

To me it's strictly a "numbers game" camera. 60X and 16 MP. Should appeal to the mall shoppers.

Exactly.

Mike

Did not most people start off as a mall shopper ?

Jon.

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Steve82 Senior Member • Posts: 2,912
Re: I am very afraid..,
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John Miles wrote:


Will they have an "FZ250"

......with a manual lens............

Given the current fascination with maximizing video capabilities.....Probably not.

Steve82 Senior Member • Posts: 2,912
Re: I am very afraid..,

jonwilly wrote:

Mikedigi wrote:!

To me it's strictly a "numbers game" camera. 60X and 16 MP. Should appeal to the mall shoppers.

Exactly.

Mike

Did not most people start off as a mall shopper ?

Jon.

Not if you're looking for Panasonic.   The top end of Panny's line has always been missing in the stores that I've visited.

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Re: I am very afraid..,

Steve82 wrote:

jonwilly wrote:

Mikedigi wrote:!

To me it's strictly a "numbers game" camera. 60X and 16 MP. Should appeal to the mall shoppers.

Exactly.

Mike

Did not most people start off as a mall shopper ?

Jon.

Not if you're looking for Panasonic. The top end of Panny's line has always been missing in the stores that I've visited.

I do seem to re-call several years ago that they went in the direct mail/order on line route and I believe that's why many dealers fail to stock, whether as a way of objecting or the margins were reduced.

Jon.

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Re: Here's the link to the marketing page
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Thanks for that.

Here's the bit that always gets me:

"Integrating the high speed digital signal output technology, the DMC-FZ70(FZ72) shoot 9 fps in 16.1-megapixel full resolution* with mechanical shutter and 5 fps with continuous AF. It also contributes to the Light Speed AF. Together with the quick start-up time, the DMC-FZ70(FZ72) never misses the most fleeting shooting opportunities."

The modern digital superzoom is a fantastically capable and versatile tool. But if it's busy saving its battery when the moment happens, I've found that Mr Frustration has the last word. An MFT is the only correct answer Panasonic has at present, yet they insist on promoting the motor lensed camera as fast.

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djsolidsnake86 Forum Member • Posts: 56
Re: Here's the link to the marketing page

FZ250 announcement when?

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Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Rodger1943 wrote:

One thing I did notice in the specs, was the continuous 9 fps burst mode. I don't know how many shots you can shoot off at that speed, but if its continuous burst like the 5.5 fps on the FZ200, it might be useful...

The FZ70 9 fps is akin to the FZ200's 12 fps - single focus used for all frames.  It also sports the same 5.5 fps AF as the FZ200.

Unfortunately, there's no joy for you - the 9 fps mode is limited to 3 frames max.

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utomo99 Regular Member • Posts: 368
Re: FZ250 Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?
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AndyW17 wrote:

Last year, Panny announced the FZ200 with two other cameras, which I believe were the LX7 and the G5. The FZ60 was also announced at the same time, but separately from those three, if I remember correctly. I'm holding out hope for other news, perhaps very soon.

This all camera announced at same day

http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=panasonic_dmcfz200&products=panasonic_dmcfz60&products=panasonic_dmclx7&products=panasonic_dmcg5&products=panasonic_dmclz20

FZ200

FZ60

LX7

G5

LZ20

Today panasonic just release the FZ70 and XS3.

what else coming soon ?

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Re: Lens is not Leica Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?
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bolador wrote:

Paramose wrote:

No leica Lens

Quote:
It's important to note that Panasonic manufactures its own lenses in its Yamagata factory, which gives the company an advantage over others in terms of access and cost.

But how about the Quality ? can we compare it with Leica Lens ?

FZ72, the European model shows a local sign in her front..
http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/panasonic-fz70-analisis-fotos,1_9934

(Look at the pictures if you can't read Spanish )

Read it

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-fz70/panasonic-fz70A.HTM

find yamagata

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Re: I am very afraid..,

SHood wrote:

GeraldW wrote:

...that this is the FZ250. It has a hot shoe. It's f/2.8 at 20 mm; but what's the f/# at a more useful 28 or 35 mm?

It's brighter than the competition at both ends, so it's likely better than the competition at all other focal lengths as well - not bad. Kudos to Panasonic - they've had sand kicked in their eyes for letting the competition outreach them in recent years and have clearly delivered a salvo in return.

that has always been the problem with going wider. The lens becomes less useful indoors at the focal lengths required. I suspect it will be at f4 by 28-35mm.

This camera needs to compete on specs and going wider allows the same focal length to look better for the FZ70. Both the SX50 and the FZ70 max out at 1200mm equivalent, but by starting at 20mm vs 24mm, the FZ70 can claim a 60X zoom vs the SX50's now paltry 50X zoom. Even though both camera have the same effective magnification, Panasonic can rightly claim that the FZ70 has more zoom [range]. Competing on specs, they can also claim to be wider, and brighter at both ends.

We're already seeing the effect - here's a snippet from the imaging-resource hands-on preview:

The Panasonic FZ70's LUMIX DC Vario lens delivers a maximum aperture of f/2.8-5.9 across its 60x zoom range, which is fairly bright compared to the competition. The Canon SX50, for example, sees maximum aperture fall from f/3.4 to f/6.5 across its shorter zoom range.

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GeraldW Veteran Member • Posts: 8,296
Re: I am very afraid..,
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Not all.  I started with a real camera shop in a smaller town, and doing my homework in the local library at age 16.  That was 1955.  back then, if you wanted to buy a good camera, you went to a dedicated store and talked to the knowledgeable people there.  You could buy a Kodak at the local drugstore; but big box stores didn't exist.

Come to think of it, back in 1955 malls were pretty scarce.

My interest in better pictures came from my grandmother, who used a twin lens reflex.  It wasn't a Rollei; but it took much better pictures than my Kodak  Brownie Target 620.  But I wanted to get away from reflex viewing and that lead me to rangefinders.  The final decision back in 1955 was whether to go with an Ansco roll film camera or the Argus C4 35 mm.  The local shop owner talked me into the C4 kit with lightmeter, flash, and everready case and when I graduated from high school that year I used my graduation money to buy the kit.

I've never been an impulse buyer, money was too hard to come by for one thing, but I've always read up on the subject first.  That habit pattern doesn't seem to have occured in more recent, more afluent generations - hence my use of "mall shopper" for people who don't do their homework and either buy on impulse, or on supeficial specifications with no real depth of understanding.

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