FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Started Jul 18, 2013 | Discussions
utomo99 Regular Member • Posts: 368
FZ250 Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

sherman_levine wrote:

If FZ250(?):FZ200 = FZ70:FZ60 then I will be extremely impressed.

Sherm

How about this

FZ 250 = FZ 70 spec but

- 2.8 Lens all the way

- Magnesium Body.

- 1K EVF

- 12MP

Price $ 599

utomo99 Regular Member • Posts: 368
Lens is not Leica Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Paramose wrote:

No leica Lens

Quote:
It's important to note that Panasonic manufactures its own lenses in its Yamagata factory, which gives the company an advantage over others in terms of access and cost.

But how about the Quality ? can we compare it with Leica Lens ?

Rodger1943
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Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

As stated, this is not the replacement for the FZ200, but the replacement for the FZ60. Many of its features are still below what the FZ200 currently offers, but the camera will appeal to the people who just want a big zoom and I can understand that sentiment. Canon's sales are pretty good based on just that, so Panasonic has to compete. One thing I did notice in the specs, was the continuous 9 fps burst mode. I don't know how many shots you can shoot off at that speed, but if its continuous burst like the 5.5 fps on the FZ200, it might be useful, better still, it might find its way onto whatever Panasonic does with the FZ200 replacement, assuming there is one. The FZ200 does need a few tweaks, even if they left the lens system pretty much as it is, better noise reduction and some higher burst rates would suit my purposes as a bird photographer. That big lens on the FZ70 is also tempting. I'll wait and see what the reviews are like on image quality and also whether we get another announcement in the next few days on the FZ200's replacement.

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capnblinski
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Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

John McCormack wrote:

Well, I don't know what Panasonic was thinking when they announced this monstrosity. I will reserve judgment at this point in time but this bazooka is making the FZ200 look more inviting. What do others think?

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John Miles
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Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Interesting to know. What sort of light levels though. Sunny only?

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Re: I am very afraid..,

Oh dear. I know this hope. It's 2006 all over again.

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John Miles
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Or Maybe the FZ250 will have a manual zoom

Just saying...............

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John Miles
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Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

This sort of post build my optimism for an FZ50 replacement at every occurrence.

Stop it.

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Re: I am very afraid..,

GeraldW wrote:

The fact that the FZ70 has a hot shoe is what triggered my fears. The camera body is also large and quite heavy. So I'm afraid that Panasonic has cut back on their product line, increased the "numbers" for the FZ70 and at an opening price of $400 hopes to sell a lot of them.

LCD is 460k; but the EVF is the same 202k 0.2" that was on the FZ150, FZ60, and the new LF1.

The FZ150 and FZ200 appealed to the enthusiast market; but let's face it - we're a niche market and the price is high. To make money, they really need to get into the same market as Sony, Nikon, and Canon and the FZ70 looks like the right product for that.

Will they have an "FZ250"

......with a manual lens............

for the enthusiast market? Not if the FZ200 didn't make money for them. They badly need to beef up the bottom line after losing $8 billion last year.

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Mikedigi Forum Pro • Posts: 10,744
Re: I am very afraid..,

GeraldW wrote:

...that this is the FZ250. It has a hot shoe. It's f/2.8 at 20 mm; but what's the f/# at a more useful 28 or 35 mm?

Good question!

To me it's strictly a "numbers game" camera. 60X and 16 MP. Should appeal to the mall shoppers.

Exactly.

Mike

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windmillgolfer
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Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Hopefully, there more announcements to come and as this is not a 270, but 70, and not the successor to the FZ200 but the FZ60/70. I'll not panic just yet, phew. Totally agree 1200mm is useless without a granite tripod but then those who buy such cameras for their big number zooms will not realise until too late.

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Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

No mention of an articulated screen either, which implies to me this is not the FZ200's successor.

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John Miles
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Indeed no Flip out Screen!

http://1.static.img-dpreview.com/files/news/2817145452/FZ70_back.jpg?v=2327

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Fred McLean
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But it does have RAW

Does it having RAW capability mean that they are targeting more than just the "I have a bigger zoom than you" market?

Although no high speed video is listed on the specs.

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AdamT
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Missed Opportunity ? 20mm - no thanks

I think they`ve missed the opportunity to break ground with the zoom end - WHY have they tried 20mm at the wide ?, 24mm is distorted and software corrected too much in these cameras to begin with , 20mm is more for specialist shooting and lets face it, these kind of cams are telephoto end of the Zoom oriented designs ........

I`d have made it a very safe 28mm at the wide (less CA, distortion and better edges) and gone for a crazy groundbreaking 1680mm long end to really kick butt for Birding and plane spotting (Heck Astrophotography too) - the more popular 24mm option would have given 1440mm of zoom power even ...... OK I know a few here are arging against even 1200mm but the SX50 can be easily handheld at 1200mm with its top notch IS but even slower lens (40th sec is what I managed in Winter when I had one)

but to waste the zoom ratio on the 20-24mm range is IMO a poor move. even those who have DSLR and mirrorless lenses which cover those FOVs generally use them the least compared to the standard zoom and unless the cam has a default of resting and Initializing at 24mm (and even a Pause before it goes wider) , the 20mm wide end will become more of a pain than of use ......

Just mu Opinion of course

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Kevin Coppalotti Veteran Member • Posts: 9,304
Re: Missed Opportunity ? 20mm - no thanks

adam is right, panny have a first class compact in the lx7 to cover the wide end, why not produce something great at the long end as a companion, chance to sell two cameras rather than one.

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sderdiarian Veteran Member • Posts: 4,229
Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Clearly designed on spec's to compete with Canon's SX50 HS (24-1200m zoom) which in turn matched the already large FZ-200 in size. Compared to these the FZ70 is frankly huge, and compared to earlier FZ's very heavy to lug about:

http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=panasonic_dmcfz35&products=panasonic_dmcfz60&products=panasonic_dmcfz70&products=canon_sx50hs&products=panasonic_dmcfz200&sortDir=ascending

My son just bought an FZ60 at $269 for a safari. It uses a proven Leica designed lens, is significantly smaller and lighter and basically has all the same features other than the monster zoom which will almost certainly produce questionable image quality at the wide end and long end.

With its excellent 5-axis IBIS my E-M5/75-300mm (150-600mm equivalent) combination manages to get reliably steady shots fully extended. I really question the ability of a cheap zoom on a small sensored camera to double this capability with any useful reliability.

Tests and user reports will tell the story, but I'm not expecting any miracles. My take, a marketing gimmick to keep up with the competition resulting in an oversized and heavy camera. You're going the wrong way for me, Panny.

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utomo99 Regular Member • Posts: 368
3000mm Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

If 1200mm is Not enough

Maybe camera manufacturer can create 100-3000mm (30X Zoom)

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Re: FZ250 Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

utomo99 wrote:

sherman_levine wrote:

If FZ250(?):FZ200 = FZ70:FZ60 then I will be extremely impressed.

Sherm

How about this

FZ 250 = FZ 70 spec but

- 2.8 Lens all the way

- Magnesium Body.

- 1K EVF

- 12MP

Price $ 599

I suspect (pronounced "hope")  it would have a larger aperture at full zoom and the FZ200's flip-out LCD, but with the same body and sensor as the FZ70.

Seems useless for them to put all that effort into the redesign and then waste it on something which is less than an upgraded FZ200.

Figure that the FZ70 objective is at least 215mm/5.9=36.4mm diameter. The FZ200 objective is already about 40mm diameter, but the FZ70 lens structure seems much larger than the FZ200's, so there's room for expansion, at least in my hopes.

Sherm

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AndyW17 Contributing Member • Posts: 779
Re: FZ250 Re: FZ70 Announced. Is This Just Another Frankencamera?

Last year, Panny announced the FZ200 with two other cameras, which I believe were the LX7 and the G5.   The FZ60 was also announced at the same time, but separately from those three, if I remember correctly.  I'm holding out hope for other news, perhaps very soon.

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