the D4x is coming.

Started Jul 14, 2013 | Discussions
Park Kultry New Member • Posts: 14
Re: the D4x is coming.

Tomorrow will be here.

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adventure_photo Contributing Member • Posts: 813
Re: the D4x is coming.

I believe ithe rumored Canon sensor is a stacked sensor though so not quite a real 75 MP image. It uses 25 MP x 3 color channels(RGB) to achieve 75 MP similar to a Foveon sensor. Great for marketing though!

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rubank Senior Member • Posts: 1,089
Re: Is there a market for it?

Square sensor would mean a totally new system, a lot of FF lenses won´t work with a square (36x36 mm) sensor because they actually don´t give an image "circle".

It would also mean a new shutter mechanism and much higher production costs for the sensor (less sensors per wafer), to say nothing of the need to get rid of the OVF.

And who wants to look at square pictures? You´d always be cropping, i.e. wasting pixels. Very high priced pixels.

A very bad idea, IMO.

BackPacker1532 Regular Member • Posts: 192
Re: the D4x is coming.

Until it actually arrives I shall stick with my trusty D3 and not speculate on what it might or might not have or what it might, or might not do better than D ..........??

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Andre Affleck Senior Member • Posts: 2,362
Re: Is there a market for it?

rubank wrote:

Square sensor would mean a totally new system, a lot of FF lenses won´t work with a square (36x36 mm) sensor because they actually don´t give an image "circle".

What makes you think they won't give an image "circle"? They all have symetrical circular elements and no baffles (at least mine don't). Have you ever held an open lens and projected it's image on a piece of paper? Try it.

What a square sensor will do is increase corner softness and vignetting because the corners would go deeper into the inferior outermost regions.

PatFahey Regular Member • Posts: 453
Re: Is there a market for it?

rubank wrote:

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And who wants to look at square pictures? You´d always be cropping, i.e. wasting pixels. Very high priced pixels.

Ever hear of Hasselblad?

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Seriously, a D4S/X or D5 would look like this:

If the D4S/X has the following specs, it would already be considered a big upgrade over the current D4, and still be a trophy camera:

- EXPEED4 dual processor with more focus points spread across a larger portion of the screen, with 9/12 tracking focus (central point with a few around it tracking subject in viewfinder), and improved focus speeds (currently the 1DX focuses nearly 3 times as fast if it's not in very low light, so if the EXPEED4 x2 processor can focus faster, etc... then you're going to have a lot more former Nikon lovers switch back to Nikon).

- Increase of dynamic range past the D800 to say, 15 EV

- 24-26 MP with 1.5 or more stop noise improvement

- Boost to 13-16 FPS with slight increase in buffer

- Dual XQD card slots

- Better screen resolution for the back screen

- Bring back the C/S/M focus button in the front (or not, but I prefer it!)

- USB 3+ connection speeds with a port that can be upgraded to USB 4/5... etc. (removable) instead of USB 2.

If it had all the features above... I'm sure it'll sell quite easily for $7,500 tag. Likely be sold out for the first couple of months.

People who can and would spend a couple thousand would likely be higher-end professionals shooting sports, high-ISO scenes, or high-end events. Need to cater to them, not the megapixel hungry folks. If someone wanted huge 36 MP format size and high FPS, they could just get several D800s on CH mode and just remote them a split second apart.

A body with the specs above would just clearly end the debates among some users between the D4 and 1DX. Then again, it might be just called the D5.

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Re: Is there a market for it?

rubank wrote:

Square sensor would mean a totally new system, a lot of FF lenses won´t work with a square (36x36 mm) sensor because they actually don´t give an image "circle".

It would also mean a new shutter mechanism and much higher production costs for the sensor (less sensors per wafer), to say nothing of the need to get rid of the OVF.

And who wants to look at square pictures? You´d always be cropping, i.e. wasting pixels. Very high priced pixels.

A very bad idea, IMO.

To fit in the image circle a square sensor would have to be smaller (around 30.6 x 30.6mm)

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rubank Senior Member • Posts: 1,089
Re: Is there a market for it?

I didn´t say "all" lenses, and a lot of lenses do have baffles.

But if it makes you happy I can retract that argument; square sensors are a bad idea all the same

rubank Senior Member • Posts: 1,089
Re: Is there a market for it?

PatFahey wrote:

rubank wrote:

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And who wants to look at square pictures? You´d always be cropping, i.e. wasting pixels. Very high priced pixels.

Ever hear of Hasselblad?

They have rectangular sensors....(film is dead, you know)

rubank Senior Member • Posts: 1,089
Re: Is there a market for it?

inasir1971 wrote:

rubank wrote:

Square sensor would mean a totally new system, a lot of FF lenses won´t work with a square (36x36 mm) sensor because they actually don´t give an image "circle".

It would also mean a new shutter mechanism and much higher production costs for the sensor (less sensors per wafer), to say nothing of the need to get rid of the OVF.

And who wants to look at square pictures? You´d always be cropping, i.e. wasting pixels. Very high priced pixels.

A very bad idea, IMO.

To fit in the image circle a square sensor would have to be smaller (around 30.6 x 30.6mm)

Yes of course, you´re right.
It does not alter the arguments, though.

PatFahey Regular Member • Posts: 453
Re: Is there a market for it?

rubank wrote:

PatFahey wrote:

rubank wrote:

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And who wants to look at square pictures? You´d always be cropping, i.e. wasting pixels. Very high priced pixels.

Ever hear of Hasselblad?

They have rectangular sensors....(film is dead, you know)

Of course I was referring to the -- metal -- V "system" models, not the recent plastic ones.

"Film is dead" may be a bit short-sighted.  Although I will agree that these days digital is usually good enough for most applications.

-Pat

blueandwhite Junior Member • Posts: 32
Re: Is there a market for it?

How well did the current D4 sell?

CFynn Veteran Member • Posts: 5,224
Re: Is there a market for it?
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rhlpetrus wrote:

I doubt it, unless Nikon wants to keep the crown of the heaviest, highest pixeled, most expensive camera on the market that they used to have in the D3x.

I know a couple of people who have and love the D3X  - but they are making a lot of money frpm their photography. I'm pretty sure they would buy a D4X

Nikon must have a pretty good idea of the specialized market for such a camera

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CFynn Veteran Member • Posts: 5,224
Re: D4x
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Boheme wrote:

What about a square-sensor?

That would be a sensation.

Michael

Well at least it wouldn't need a built in vertical grip.

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CFynn Veteran Member • Posts: 5,224
Re: Is there a market for it?

PatFahey wrote:

rubank wrote:

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And who wants to look at square pictures? You´d always be cropping, i.e. wasting pixels. Very high priced pixels.

Ever hear of Hasselblad?

Yes I still have a 500 c/m. - and had a Rollei TLR as well

On those cameras the square format eliminated the need for a large, heavy eye level prism if you used the folding waist level finder.

I like the square format too - but the reality is most people prefer the majority of their photos rectangualar.

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Re: Is there a market for it?

blueandwhite wrote:

How well did the current D4 sell?

I don't have actual figure but should be slow as you can easily get it @ around $5100 now.

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A month and no rumors

No consistent rumors yet, including NR, I'm doubting there will be anything in the dslr front coming soon. Maybe mid-September.

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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,859
Re: Is there a market for it?

CFynn wrote:

rhlpetrus wrote:

I doubt it, unless Nikon wants to keep the crown of the heaviest, highest pixeled, most expensive camera on the market that they used to have in the D3x.

I know a couple of people who have and love the D3X - but they are making a lot of money frpm their photography. I'm pretty sure they would buy a D4X

Nikon must have a pretty good idea of the specialized market for such a camera

A couple is a good guess

Well, if it's just as simple as putting a D800's sensor on a D4's body, why not?

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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,859
And charging 8,000 ...

rhlpetrus wrote:

CFynn wrote:

rhlpetrus wrote:

I doubt it, unless Nikon wants to keep the crown of the heaviest, highest pixeled, most expensive camera on the market that they used to have in the D3x.

I know a couple of people who have and love the D3X - but they are making a lot of money frpm their photography. I'm pretty sure they would buy a D4X

Nikon must have a pretty good idea of the specialized market for such a camera

A couple is a good guess

Well, if it's just as simple as putting a D800's sensor on a D4's body, why not?

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