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Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L with cracked filter stuck on lense. Any ideas to remove?

Started May 22, 2013 | Questions
Nate1020 New Member • Posts: 1
Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L with cracked filter stuck on lense. Any ideas to remove?

I am looking for any ideas to remove this damaged filter from my lens. The rim of the filter is bent which is preventing screwing it off even with considerable force.  The lens was attached to a 60D and was knocked  4-5 feet off a table and landed lens first on the sidewalk. Luckily he only major damage was done to the filter.

Thank you.


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brightcolours Forum Pro • Posts: 15,885
Now you know why not to use filters for "protection"
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Nate1020 wrote:

I am looking for any ideas to remove this damaged filter from my lens. The rim of the filter is bent which is preventing screwing it off even with considerable force.  The lens was attached to a 60D and was knocked  4-5 feet off a table and landed lens first on the sidewalk. Luckily he only major damage was done to the filter.

Thank you.


A lenshood is a better bumper, and will not get stuck in such a potentially destructive manner. Nor will a lens hood have the potential to produce sharp and hard glass shards to scratch the front element. You can try with a rubber band around ot to get more grip, or do a google search about un-sticking stuck damaged filters.

James Cricket Regular Member • Posts: 134
Re: Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L with cracked filter stuck on lense. Any ideas to remove?
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Perhaps one of those rubber pipe wrenches you can use to loosen pipe might work.

tonyjr
tonyjr Veteran Member • Posts: 5,295
Re: Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L with cracked filter stuck on lense. Any ideas to remove?

Since it is bent , it will not unscrew .

Sometimes a piece of hard wood , pressed against the inside of bent section will straighten enough to remove .

There are several tools that might help

A pair of channel locks - instead of squeezing - use to pry back into shape

A pipe wrench - set inside and use screw to force open

I used a pair of long nose pliers to bend back , then a coping saw to slot the filter in several places - 1/8 inch wide - then bend back and forth till it breaks out a piece

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Joel Pimenta Forum Member • Posts: 88
Re: Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L with cracked filter stuck on lense. Any ideas to remove?
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Hi!

Once happened the same to my 17-85.
Happened to my wife's Oly 70-300, too.

I weared a pair rubber gloves, grabbed the filter with one hand and the lens with the the other one and unscrewed both. It was very easy.
BTW: about the gloves, don't use thin ones, like the medichal or home versions, but use the industrial or construction type. It's safe from the broken glass. You can buy it from any tool store.
Sometimes, I wear the same type of gloves to open jam jars. I have an extra pair in the car to change tires.

Andy Blanchard Senior Member • Posts: 1,349
Re: Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L with cracked filter stuck on lense. Any ideas to remove?

tonyjr wrote:

I used a pair of long nose pliers to bend back , then a coping saw to slot the filter in several places - 1/8 inch wide - then bend back and forth till it breaks out a piece

A firm, even pressure all the way around the filter applied with a strip of rubber, or one of those bottle top remover tools is the first thing to try.  If you apply too much pressure though, then you will be clamping the filter on even more and it won't turn, so don't over torque it.

If that doesn't work, then a fine saw and a pair of needle nose pliers is the way to go, just as Tony suggested.  Select a part of the filter where the glass is still intact, then carefully (I'm sure I didn't need to say that!) saw two notches in the filter ring about 1cm or so apart.  You need to cut as deeply into the filter as you can without sawing into the lens, then work it back and forth until it comes apart.  After that it's just a matter of unpeeling the ring and letting the broken filter glass fall away so it doesn't scratch the front element of the lens.

Andy

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Glenn Haley Senior Member • Posts: 1,275
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You could put the lens in a plastic bag and but it in the freezer for a while. The cold will cause the metal to contact making it easier to loosen.

I've loosen many stuck things this way.

MASTERPPA Contributing Member • Posts: 870
Re: Now you know why not to use filters for "protection"

How about using BOTH a lens hood and filter.

Sorry, but most damage to the front of a lens is not from people dropping it a few feet like this, it is from people BUMPING into things with the front element, and not even break the UV filter.

I look at my UV filters, and the fronts are scratched to hell. Not all my lenses have hard coatings, so that would be the lens, instead of the filter.

For drops, yea, the hood is better.

Does that filter have grips on it? It looks pretty smooth.

You need a belt grip. (not sure of the exact name) or a wide clamp.

brightcolours wrote:

Nate1020 wrote:

I am looking for any ideas to remove this damaged filter from my lens. The rim of the filter is bent which is preventing screwing it off even with considerable force.  The lens was attached to a 60D and was knocked  4-5 feet off a table and landed lens first on the sidewalk. Luckily he only major damage was done to the filter.

Thank you.


A lenshood is a better bumper, and will not get stuck in such a potentially destructive manner. Nor will a lens hood have the potential to produce sharp and hard glass shards to scratch the front element. You can try with a rubber band around ot to get more grip, or do a google search about un-sticking stuck damaged filters.

Michael Fryd
Michael Fryd Forum Pro • Posts: 16,059
Re: Canon 24-70mm f/2.8L with cracked filter stuck on lense. Any ideas to remove?

Nate1020 wrote:

... Luckily he only major damage was done to the filter.

Thank you.

I would not be sure that a cracked filter was your only damage.  When a lens is dropped, the impact can easily mis-align, or break internal parts.  Focus, zoom, and/or IS can be thrown out of calibration, or broken.

If there is internal damage you may be sending the lens in to Canon for service.  Why not let Canon deal with the filter at the same time?

Hopefully, the cracked shards of filter glass didn't cause any additional damage to your lens.

As others have pointed out, filters provide little in the way of actual physical protection.  As you have noticed, they don't help if you drop the lens.  A major impact to the front of your lens, would pass through the filter and hit the lens anyway.  A minor impact to the front of your lens, wouldn't do any damage.  Where the filter helps is in the very small range of impacts that are just big enough to damage to the lens, but not big enough to break the filter.  For most people these are extremely rare events.

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If you didn't have a filter mounted, that damage would have been done to the front end of the lens. I'd sooner have issue taking a broken filter off, than never being able to get one back on, or worse!!

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stratobill Senior Member • Posts: 2,081
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I brought my lens to a repair shop today for this very thing.

If the filter is bent, it should be carefully notched and cut off by a pro. If you try to unscrew it, the threads on the lens will probably be damaged.

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brightcolours Forum Pro • Posts: 15,885
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NomadMark wrote:

If you didn't have a filter mounted, that damage would have been done to the front end of the lens. I'd sooner have issue taking a broken filter off, than never being able to get one back on, or worse!!

Nonsense. He had no lens hood on. With hood the lens would be fine.

People get to all kinds of odd ideas in order to keep on using thin slabs of glass to "protect" lenses.

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That's pretty bad. I would advise trying a plastic filter wrench. If that and the other suggestions don't work, I'd take it to a camera shop.

Personally, and this is only personally because I have the gear and like tap dancing in mine fields, it might also be possible to VERY carefully cut just the bent ring with a Dremel tool and remove the filter glass, taking care not to cut into the lens thread or allow fragments to fall on the front element.

This is an absolutely textbook case as to why people should NOT use "protective" filters. Use a lens hood. Yes, a hood can break, but that is far preferable compared to filter shards scratching your front element.

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AFAIK this lens is metal construction.  Is there any distortion to the end of the lens, where the filter threads are?  If so, I don't think you stand any chance of removing the filter except by the saw-and-hammer method referenced previously.

If the lens threads are still perfectly round, you might try carefully applying a little WD40 -- although not directly from the spray can, or you'll end up with oil everywhere.  Leave it to work for an hour or so, and then see if you can shift the filter with a thick rubber glove.  Perhaps tape the broken glass first so that it doesn't drop out into your hand.

Actually I think the person who said to send the lens to Canon was right, but I write this as an inveterate tinkerer who doesn't always do the right thing.

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brightcolours wrote:

NomadMark wrote:

If you didn't have a filter mounted, that damage would have been done to the front end of the lens. I'd sooner have issue taking a broken filter off, than never being able to get one back on, or worse!!

Nonsense. He had no lens hood on. With hood the lens would be fine.

People get to all kinds of odd ideas in order to keep on using thin slabs of glass to "protect" lenses.

I've probably saved 2-3 front elements using filters (especially out in the field) and done every kind of IQ test and there is no difference.  I could post photos from every one of my lens tests and you could never pick the shots with the filter on.  It's all in your head.

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Austin_Luker wrote:

I don't drop lenses, but have had many front elements poked going through the woods and saved by a filter, so I guess to each his own.

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brightcolours Forum Pro • Posts: 15,885
Tip.

bruxi wrote:

Austin_Luker wrote:

I don't drop lenses, but have had many front elements poked going through the woods and saved by a filter, so I guess to each his own.

I have a simple tip for you. Lens cap.

I guess to each his own.

Michael Fryd
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bruxi wrote:

I don't drop lenses, but have had many front elements poked going through the woods and saved by a filter, so I guess to each his own.

How do you know that the filter saved the lens?  Front elements tend to be much stronger than the typical filter.

Your filter may not have been strong durable enough for the woods, but your lens might have been.

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