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Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

Started May 14, 2013 | Questions
julianw Junior Member • Posts: 39
Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

I have a K-7 and usually travel with a Pentax smc DA 16-45 and a Tamron XR Di 28-300, which are about all the weight I can handle. I usually keep the Pentax on in narrow streets and use the Tamron for everything else. I do find myself switching from shot to shot occasionally, mostly for focal length. Are there factors I'm overlooking to make the best use of these lenses? Any advice for an upgrade, given that these pretty much define my price range? I do art photography and take most pictures when traveling. I often use post-processing that obscures some lens limitations, but I'm finding myself pushing at sharpness limitations.

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Michael de Ruijter Contributing Member • Posts: 840
Re: Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

Your situation of looking to improve your lenses without increasing your costs is a familiar one and also quite restrictive.

Perhaps the Pentax DA 55-300mm is worth a look? It has a lower zoom factor which almost invariably increases image quality and minimises lens issues. The 16-45mm is excellent and the only upgrade path from there involves spending more $.

If you really want a leap in IQ then perhaps replace the Tamron with a used DA* 50-135 and converter. The incredible IQ of the DA* 50-135mm will make up for the fact that it's short of 300mm.

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OP julianw Junior Member • Posts: 39
Re: Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

That's helpful. I was also looking for recommendations for change in practice. Can I assume that over the range up to 45mm, the Pentax will be sharper just because it has a smaller range? Would there be other, perhaps more subtle, differences? Since my photography is reactive, rather than planned, I suspect I see things differently depending on which lens is on the camera. The most dramatic difference is in looking more aggressively for architectural detail when I have the telephoto. I suspect I could get more out of what I have by using them more intelligently.

You're right in the implication that it's at the telephoto end I feel the need for more sharpness.

Michael de Ruijter Contributing Member • Posts: 840
Re: Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

julianw wrote:

That's helpful. I was also looking for recommendations for change in practice. Can I assume that over the range up to 45mm, the Pentax will be sharper just because it has a smaller range? Would there be other, perhaps more subtle, differences? Since my photography is reactive, rather than planned, I suspect I see things differently depending on which lens is on the camera. The most dramatic difference is in looking more aggressively for architectural detail when I have the telephoto. I suspect I could get more out of what I have by using them more intelligently.

You're right in the implication that it's at the telephoto end I feel the need for more sharpness.

Being a reactive photographer - that will change btw - it's important to stick with one set of gear or one general setup like a wide angle zoom and mid-tele zoom. It will soon become apparent what you're missing and you can aim to fill those gaps. If you change your gear around too much before you know what you're really looking for, a lot of $ is wasted with buying and selling. Ask me, for I know this.

The best way is to get out there and settle into a groove slowly. If you try to typecast yourself, it won't feel right.

And reacting to circumstances differently depending on which lens is on the camera is fine. If I want a quick shot of something, I'd rather have the wrong lens than the right lens and no shot due to swapping.

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Cane Veteran Member • Posts: 6,900
Re: Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

Let me ask, do you need every mm covered?

emem
emem Veteran Member • Posts: 4,430
Re: Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

A dilemma many of us face, particularly the zoom people - to which group I certainly belong. I used a Sigma 17-70 for the bulk of my shooting, coupled with a Tamron 70-300 for longer stuff. The Tamron was always better at the shorter range, say 70-200, so that was a problem. And then I always seemed to be swapping lenses for shots around the 50 to 100 range. I found that a large percentage of my shots were in the 17-120 range, so when the DA18-135 came out I decided to take the plunge and haven't regretted it. That lens is now on the camera most of the time. If I need a wider lens in low light I still have the sigma which is 2.8 at the widest end, but I'd have a problem confining myself to the range of your 16-45. I also have a Tokina 12-24 but that's for use with my Nikon D300s which I never use now that I have the K-5 and K20D duo.

I have also bought the DA*60-250 for longer work in the hope of getting sharper images at the long end. So far it looks like a fine lens. (I've had the DA*50-135 for many years but rarely use it - mainly portraits which I don't do much of). Sharpness is a quest that can consume lots of dollars and I'm not so sure that tack-sharpness is absolutely critical to most images.

So many choices - so little money!

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Michael de Ruijter Contributing Member • Posts: 840
Re: Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

emem wrote:

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So many choices - so little money!

And... so little time.

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OP julianw Junior Member • Posts: 39
Re: Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

Cane wrote:

Let me ask, do you need every mm covered?

Of course, I can always crop in the post-processing, which I often do anyway. Composition is a large part of my aesthetic, and I fine-tune. In fact, I often pull out just a part of the full exposure. So, I can do with a gap. I did have a mindset to not leave a gap, mostly to avoid so much post-exposure cropping, but I find I do it anyway. Certainly if I get a gain in sharpness, it offsets the cropping loss.

KentG Veteran Member • Posts: 4,825
Re: Looking for advice on optimal use of overlapping zooms

The key thing on overlapping zooms is which one is better in the overlap range. The only time you use the lens which is inferior in that range is when you don't have the time or opportunity to swap the lens out. And that is a reason to actually have overlap. Even without overlap, lets say you have a pair of Sigma 24-70 and 70-200, you still need to know which one is better at 70mm (in this case the 70-200 is better than the 24-70).

I am building a new Pentax lens kit, including the 12-24/4 and the 60-250/4. Right now my middle lens is the Sigma 24-60/2.8, which means no overlap, but the 24-60 is better at 24 than the 12-24 and the 60-250 is slightly better at 60 than the 24-60. Eventually my middle lens will be the Pentax 17-70/4 and then I will have overlap.

I am not a big fan of all-in-one zooms even though I have had several and I plan on adding the Sigma 18-250 OS to my Canon kit because it is probably the best one I have seen yet (to replace an excellent Sigma 18-125). Still I only use them when I can only carry the camera and a lens in a holster case, like on vacation.

Still the key is knowing the performance in the overlap areas.

Kent Gittings

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