Normal shutter count on new D600?

Started May 13, 2013 | Discussions
Robin Casady Forum Pro • Posts: 12,898
Re: Normal shutter count on new D600?

MisfiTTTTTT wrote:

Hi Robin,

The store I bought it from said that the fact Language and Time had been set was an indicator that it been opened and used before. Certainly that's been my experience of buying new Nikon cameras in the past.

Are you in the USA? It probably differs in other countries. My D700 and D800E were both set to English when I got them.

I agree that the rejects don't provide much use for the manufacturer.

Defective cameras should be refurbished by the mfg., but in the USA, not all returns are defective.

However if I buy something new I expect something new. If the item is used it adds doubts to the purchase...

Do you have the right to return a Nikon without cause? You do have that right at many stores in the USA. If your spouse is angry that you spent so much money, you can return it. If you find it is to complicated for you, you can return it. If you don't like how big it is, you can return it. If you think someone sneezed on it, you can return it. Who eats those cameras? Nikon doesn't and the store doesn't. They either go back out to customers until someone keeps it. Or, they get refurbished.

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opusone
OP opusone Regular Member • Posts: 463
Alan Brown...Wow!

Of course I was concerned about oil and dust...and for months after reading all the problems of others. Hogan and Steve Bingham here convinced me that I was over reacting to an overblown issue. Was i?

I am still worried that mine might be one of those time bomb bodies that starts acting up after  hundreds of frames, even 2K-3K are fired off. But as they and others have said dust and oil can be cleaned up.

The 120+ frame count on arrival, was a secondary issue.

Maybe I am paranoid, but for me $2100 is nothing to sneeze at.

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chipmaster
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Re: Normal shutter count on new D600?

FWIW every new Nikon I bought, D40, D300, D700, D3s, D4 and D600 all started out that the first shot was "1"

If it doesn't show "1" it has been given a test, either opened box demo in a store or a returned camera being resold ...

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Ernie Misner
Ernie Misner Veteran Member • Posts: 3,147
Re: Normal shutter count on new D600?

How are you folks checking the shutter count?    Take a picture and upload it to shuttercount.com?  So if you take one picture and they say the count is 1, then it was zero when purchased?   Thanks.

opusone
OP opusone Regular Member • Posts: 463
Re: Normal shutter count on new D600?

I'm sending it back to B&H. This camera had 120+ actuations on it when it arrived and some dust.

The dust seemed to go away when it was hit with a bulb blower, but new dust replaced it immediately.

The existing firings seemed signs of previous use either as a store demo or a returned item. I'm told, by some, that B&H does not do this. But what am I supposed to think? It may be a refurbished body for all I know.
I paid $2100 (w/accessories) for a new, unopened & unused D600.

If the replacement doesn't arrive with zero shots on it, it will go back as well.

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MOD TOF guy Forum Pro • Posts: 13,438
Re: New cars...

Robin Casady wrote:

PHXAZCRAIG wrote:

... don't come with 0 miles on them.   It's considered normal for people to do test drives, and the car is still new with a few hundred miles on it.

Just saying that cameras could be thought of the same way.   Sort of like New is when the warranty period begins.

Cars acquire miles in the process of moving them off the assembly line, loading them onto transport, and moving them around a dealership. (snip) In most cases, a car that is used for demo purposes is sold as a demo. Some variation does occur, but you don't put a car in a box when going from factory to dealership.

It comes down to how honest the car company and the dealer are. Chrysler for instance let its dealers do what they want. And try to sell a slightly used car (with say 500 miles on it) as new they will.

Honda & Toyota puts a 20 miles limit on new cars: a dealer can't sell it as new past that mileage. And it's not supposed to be for demoing the car either.

And you wonder why I stopped buying American cars a long time ago.

But back to Nikon: Nikon has never clearly formulated a policy, something it should remediate, just like Honda and Toyota do for the cars.

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Petruska Veteran Member • Posts: 7,953
Buy locally....
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opusone wrote:

I'm sending it back to B&H. This camera had 120+ actuations on it when it arrived and some dust.

The dust seemed to go away when it was hit with a bulb blower, but new dust replaced it immediately.

The existing firings seemed signs of previous use either as a store demo or a returned item. I'm told, by some, that B&H does not do this. But what am I supposed to think? It may be a refurbished body for all I know.
I paid $2100 (w/accessories) for a new, unopened & unused D600.

If the replacement doesn't arrive with zero shots on it, it will go back as well.

seeing that you are so paranoid.  There are tons of camera shops near where you live.  That way you can guarantee that you are getting a zero shutter count body.

Bob P.

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Re: Buy locally....

Petruska wrote:

opusone wrote:

I'm sending it back to B&H. This camera had 120+ actuations on it when it arrived and some dust.

The dust seemed to go away when it was hit with a bulb blower, but new dust replaced it immediately.

The existing firings seemed signs of previous use either as a store demo or a returned item. I'm told, by some, that B&H does not do this. But what am I supposed to think? It may be a refurbished body for all I know.
I paid $2100 (w/accessories) for a new, unopened & unused D600.

If the replacement doesn't arrive with zero shots on it, it will go back as well.

seeing that you are so paranoid.  There are tons of camera shops near where you live.  That way you can guarantee that you are getting a zero shutter count body.

Bob P.

BTW, is it that important that the shutter count should be zero or one to begin with?  If Nikon is confident enough saying that during pre manufacture testing, some cameras have had undergone 150k shutter actuation or higher for models such as D90 or D7000 , would one to two hundred actuation on new cameras matter?  I think we are getting too concerned  or paranoid on the issue.  In fact getting cameras from the shop would be prone to being fiddled with by customers & salesmen, unless the boxes are sealed or unopened.

CEspinoza Junior Member • Posts: 27
Re: Normal shutter count on new D600?

Nikon2011 wrote:

my camera had 0 actuations (1,2,3 the shots i made)

and when i turned it on it immediately went to the setup (language, date etc)

Hey Nikon2011,

Do you recall the default date of your camera upon turning it on the first time?. A couple of days  ago I checked 2 new bodies stamped with February 2, 2012, and June 11, 2012. I did not bought them because of this.

I might be wrong but I can't help to think that due to the AF left focus problem, there could be many returns that stores are trying to resale as new.

yurikiev New Member • Posts: 11
Re: You weren't the first one to try out the camera

Actually not exactly. Let me explain why a new camera shutter count may be more than zero. (Spoiler alert: the reason is you!)

I just got a new Nikon body and having played with (ahem "tested") the basic operations, popped on a lens and fired the very first shot. Next I checked the shutter count via www.camerashuttercount.com and aghast the _DSC0001.JPG is click number 8. I searched a bit and got to this forum and was about to file for an RMA. But I decided to investigate my old camera "odometer" vs the _DSC-number which I have never reset. Alas every several hundreds of shots the shutter counter outpaced the image number. Why would that be? Well apparently Nikon counts live view activation as shutter click. Makes total sense. I tested it on my new body and solved the mystery. In my excitement to test the basic functionality of the new body I activated the "LV" several times before even taking the first shot.

So save your preferred online retailer the RMA shipping costs and think if you had played with the live view. Also do yourself a favour and press the shutter release button with a memory card inserted before any other buttons.

KR Photo Contributing Member • Posts: 525
Re: Wow!

Alan Brown wrote:

opusone wrote:

In a private email response I got to this question from Thom: "Maybe, but unlikely. More likely is that it was at the store, brought out for someone to try, they made a few shots, they didn't buy it and it was reboxed. That's pretty common, much like test driving cars is. At 120 shots or so I wouldn't worry about it." -- Thom Hogan, writer/photographer

I've heard this from others. I've also heard from others that it is never done. And I've seen both answers in these forums.

I'm sending it back and will NOT buy another D600. Why wait for 1k-3k shots as others have reported to find out I've got an oiler/dust bucket? Will it go bad on me in the middle of a shooting trip? On Bali? In Greece? Then what?

After five Nikon bodies without a hitch or a glitch, and 20 years of buying gear from B&H...no more.

Unless I decide to pop for the D800 and more computer, I'll just stick with my D700.

It could very well be my last Nikon.

What a strange reaction from unrelated issues;

you get a reply from Thom that essentially says regarding a low shutter count; 'I wouldn't worry about it' and now you are worried about oil/dust.

you never considered this before asking him about shutter count?

curious

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There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.' :'!':

Agreed. Bizarre reaction. I don't think there's any talking him down from this one, so ... good riddance.

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newfounder Contributing Member • Posts: 559
Re: New cars...

I just got a new D810. Language is default to English since it's sold in US.

Time is set in 2014 which I guess is when it was set at factory. Does this mean the real camera had been in inventory for 3 years already. Is there a way to know its manufacture date?

As for shutter count, it's 1 on my first shot.

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scokill Veteran Member • Posts: 3,632
Re: You weren't the first one to try out the camera

yurikiev wrote:

Actually not exactly. Let me explain why a new camera shutter count may be more than zero. (Spoiler alert: the reason is you!)

I just got a new Nikon body and having played with (ahem "tested") the basic operations, popped on a lens and fired the very first shot. Next I checked the shutter count via www.camerashuttercount.com and aghast the _DSC0001.JPG is click number 8. I searched a bit and got to this forum and was about to file for an RMA. But I decided to investigate my old camera "odometer" vs the _DSC-number which I have never reset. Alas every several hundreds of shots the shutter counter outpaced the image number. Why would that be? Well apparently Nikon counts live view activation as shutter click. Makes total sense. I tested it on my new body and solved the mystery. In my excitement to test the basic functionality of the new body I activated the "LV" several times before even taking the first shot.

So save your preferred online retailer the RMA shipping costs and think if you had played with the live view. Also do yourself a favour and press the shutter release button with a memory card inserted before any other buttons.

Why reply to a post that is 4 years old?????

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yurikiev New Member • Posts: 11
Re: You weren't the first one to try out the camera

Because I just came across this thread when googling for this question. Once figured it out I decided to document the findings for anyone like me who would come across this thread in Google search in the future. You know it's not about rapid messaging in real-time sharing IMHOs. Forum threads are knowledge repositories especially if comments stick to the issue.

michaeladawson Forum Pro • Posts: 10,575
Re: You weren't the first one to try out the camera

yurikiev wrote:

Because I just came across this thread when googling for this question. Once figured it out I decided to document the findings for anyone like me who would come across this thread in Google search in the future. You know it's not about rapid messaging in real-time sharing IMHOs. Forum threads are knowledge repositories especially if comments stick to the issue.

You didn't document anything.  It's well known that activating Live View increases the shutter count.  You want to suggest to the OP that his shutter count discrepancy was due playing around with Live View?

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