Which RX100 Hard Copy Book - Gary Friedman or Alexander White?

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Ron AKA Veteran Member • Posts: 4,875
Which RX100 Hard Copy Book - Gary Friedman or Alexander White?

I am trying to tough it out using the Sony supplied PDF, but electronic copy books do not work well for me. Also the Sony PDF is more of a basic guide to the menus/features, not a how to take good shots in this situation type of book. I am considering the hard copy version of the Friedman or White book. Friedman's book seems to be about 425 pages and $113+, while I can get the White book which is about 380 pages for $25. I have seen some reviews which suggest the early electronic version of the Friedman book was plagued by errors which suggest it was rushed into production.

Can anyone provide comments on either or how these two books compare, or any other book that I should consider? Got my first SLR over 40 years ago, and this is my fourth digital. I know the basics, but need to know the specifics and tricks for this particular camera.

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I have Gary Friedman A65/A77 book and it's excellent, it gives much more than a simple camera handbook, a lot of tips, advices, and explains many things you'd hardly find in other camera books. Many Friends of mine have bought Gary's books on other cameras and compared them to a competitor Gary's books have always been rated significantly better.

For me, the downloadable e-book represents the best value for reading it on an iPad, Kindle or any other tablet and it's more practical than a printed version.

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dlorde Junior Member • Posts: 31
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I bought the Alexander White book, and I like it - 378 pages, it's pretty thorough, easy to follow, has plenty of colour illustrations, also covers accessories, specialist (3D, astro, IR, etc.), and is well indexed.

I also bought the PDF of the Friedman book (the hard-copy is a bit pricey) and that's very good too. It's slightly more detailed and technical.

If you want hardcopy and cost is an issue, the White book is good value.

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Rchan Regular Member • Posts: 237
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I got the friedman's book (downloaded) and printed it myself.

worth it.

Lsimon Regular Member • Posts: 103
Consider Electronic Version
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For $113 you can buy the Electronic version AND a Kindle!

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Robert Deutsch Forum Pro • Posts: 10,160
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I can't comment on White's book, but Friedman's is excellent.  I like the facy that he's not dogmatic about his choices, explaining them instead and allows for other alternatives.  I have the iPad version.

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Nello Lucchesi New Member • Posts: 10
Re: Which RX100 Hard Copy Book - Gary Friedman or Alexander White?
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Ron AKA wrote:

Can anyone provide comments on either or how these two books compare, or any other book that I should consider?

I bought the electronic versions of both books.  I prefer Friedman's book; I find it more prescriptive and White's more descriptive.

For example, Friedman's chapter two walks you through *his* recommendations for configuration rather than just telling you what the options mean.

I favor electronic over paper for camera and other manuals because I load them into my iPhone and then they are always with me for a reference whenever I need to review something.

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Ron AKA OP Veteran Member • Posts: 4,875
Re: Which RX100 Hard Copy Book - Gary Friedman or Alexander White?

I ordered the Alexander White paperback book, and it arrived yesterday. It simply came down to an electronic version not being workable for me. I've been using computers since they were invented, and have never found reading off the screen as easy as reading from a book. I suspect that is because I like to bounce around from page to page, and front to back.

I'm about 40 pages in, and will report back on my thoughts when I get a little further.

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earlymorninglight New Member • Posts: 8
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I have both books,  Gary Friedman's ebook and White's paperback.  For my taste, Friedman wins hands down.  I find his book to be much more useful and direct.  He describes the functionality and also what, in his opinion, the best choices are (and why) for given shooting conditions.  White has a lot of useless verbosity, is tedious reading, and is not as useful.  Just my opinion.

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Ron AKA OP Veteran Member • Posts: 4,875
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I'm only 100 pages into the White book, and have not read the Friedman book. However, I can understand where your comments are coming from. White keeps talking about what he is going to talk about in a later chapter. Unless you use that information to skip ahead, it is useless and distractive.

I think the issue is that there are features which overlap in functionality, so there is no real obvious place to start. One solution may be to start with a definition or glossary and describe all the lowest level functions. Then you would be able to just call them by name after that without having to describe again how it works. While that may be technically sound, it would make for a terribly boring start to the book, and I suspect most would never get through it.

In any case I will reserve judgement until I complete the book. I'm quite sure it will satisfy my curiosity. Although I am becoming skeptical that I am going to be able to retain it all... I find when you are trying to learn something new, you go through phases. The first phase is "this looks easy", and it will take no time. The second phase is "this is confusing and getting more and more confusing". And then finally if you persevere long enough you get to the "yeah I know that", and some clarity starts to emerge. Currently I'm at the start of the second phase.

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newellj Senior Member • Posts: 1,048
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I posted this in another thread on these books, but am going to post it here as well in case people are searching for info in the future.  The outstanding thing about Friedman's book, which is very rare in books on cameras, is that he tells you how the various settings interact with each other - this can make a big difference in getting the best results/the results you want from the camera.

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aerorail Contributing Member • Posts: 770
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Ron AKA wrote:

I'm only 100 pages into the White book, and have not read the Friedman book. However, I can understand where your comments are coming from. White keeps talking about what he is going to talk about in a later chapter. Unless you use that information to skip ahead, it is useless and distractive.

I think the issue is that there are features which overlap in functionality, so there is no real obvious place to start. One solution may be to start with a definition or glossary and describe all the lowest level functions. Then you would be able to just call them by name after that without having to describe again how it works. While that may be technically sound, it would make for a terribly boring start to the book, and I suspect most would never get through it.

In any case I will reserve judgement until I complete the book. I'm quite sure it will satisfy my curiosity. Although I am becoming skeptical that I am going to be able to retain it all... I find when you are trying to learn something new, you go through phases. The first phase is "this looks easy", and it will take no time. The second phase is "this is confusing and getting more and more confusing". And then finally if you persevere long enough you get to the "yeah I know that", and some clarity starts to emerge. Currently I'm at the start of the second phase.

sorry but throw the books out!!

you're making all this more difficult than what it is. it IS easy

it doesn't cost anything to play with it. the time you're taking for this research you could be out shooting and writing your own book about your experiences.

go out and experiment. you'll most likely be surprised by the the results that no one can teach you

good luck

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Mike LaCasella Regular Member • Posts: 208
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I thought I knew everything about my RX100..but I found a couple of things I did not know about after buying and reading the eBook. Well worth the purchase price.

Another vote for... Friedman

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Ron AKA OP Veteran Member • Posts: 4,875
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aerorail wrote:

sorry but throw the books out!! you're making all this more difficult than what it is. it IS easy it doesn't cost anything to play with it. the time you're taking for this research you could be out shooting and writing your own book about your experiences. go out and experiment. you'll most likely be surprised by the the results that no one can teach you

Your method is what I have done with previous cameras. The problem is that it does not really work. You fall into a rut and keep doing the same things and don't learn the capability of the camera. I turned over a new leaf with this camera and promised myself I would find out what it could do before I assumed I knew it all.

At the end of the day practice makes perfect, but if you don't know the theory you don't really know what to practice -- and that is where bad habits can start. Turn the dial to the green icon and shoot...

If you want an example have a look at this answer I provided to a question on DRO and HDR. It is based on both experience and theory I gained from reading a good book. I have the Alexander White book.

I am also currently reading a book on Photoshop Elements 11. I've used Elements since version 1, and have owned version 1, 4, 9, and now 11. I used your method, and have always struggled with Elements. The book is making a big difference (and Elements has gotten much better too).

Everyone learns differently. A few just have to take a bag of clubs out to the course and they can golf. Many others need to take lessons...

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Erik1111 Regular Member • Posts: 299
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I got the book by White.

I have to admit to learning a couple of useful things from the book and getting a better understanding of some of the features of the camera.  Worth the $10 I suppose.  The book is a bit encyclopedic, meaning that he covers everything, no matter how basic.  This causes the book to be much longer than is necessary for almost all users.

I was hoping the book would provide me with a new way to use the camera that I hadn't realized beforehand, as I suspected that there were so many custom setup options that there must be some killer setups possible.

In reality, after reading the book, I will be using the camera much like I did before.  The process of reading the book really just provided an organized framework to consider and adjust my setup, all of which I could have/should have figured out on my own, but the process of walking through the book made me think about each button and function, whereas before I was fairly haphazard about my approach and always thought I may be missing something.

So, to me, the value of the book was a structured way to look at the camera controls and in the end, confidence that I wasn't really missing any special ways to use the camera.

Having started out with manual film SLRs, then auto-slrs, then DSLRs, I have a pretty purist approach and after going through the book, I have basically simplified things a bit.  Just give me choice of Manual/Aperture/Shutter priority and easy access to drive mode/flash mode/and exposure comp and I am happy, and the camera defaults do that well.

Throw in easy access to important menu items on the function button, ISO, flash comp, wb, meter mode and I am set.

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BillSprague Senior Member • Posts: 1,434
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Ron AKA wrote:

I am also currently reading a book on Photoshop Elements 11.

Which one?

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BillSprague Senior Member • Posts: 1,434
Re: Which RX100 Hard Copy Book - Gary Friedman or Alexander White?

Ron AKA wrote:

Can anyone provide comments on either or how these two books compare, or any other book that I should consider? Got my first SLR over 40 years ago, and this is my fourth digital. I know the basics, but need to know the specifics and tricks for this particular camera.

I found some errors on video in the Friedman book, sent him an email and the current version has the corrections and my name in the credits!

I vote for Freidman.

I do have both on a Kindle.  The Kindle format for the White is a little easier.  I have the Freidman book as a .pdf so the kindle presentation is a little clunky.

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bill hansen Veteran Member • Posts: 8,786
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Another vote for the Friedman book. I got the electronic copy, and although I'm not used to reading e-books, this one is excellent, thorough, and very easy to use. It's well-indexed. Friedman's books generally are partly about how to use the camera, but also partly about good photographic techniques generally. Experts who (think they) know it all can skip some parts, but even seasoned photographers will find many useful tips, in addition to how to use the RX100 camera itself.

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newellj Senior Member • Posts: 1,048
Re: you're making work out of what's suppose to be fun

As I said in another post, the strong point in Friedman's book is that he does a great job of pointing out where settings don't work depending on mode or capture method and how settings interact with each other.  That is very rare in books of this kind, and extremely useful.

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