MFT sensor vs APS-C

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Mo Kwart
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MFT sensor vs APS-C

Has anyone shot a test under controlled conditions facing the EM5's sensor against an SLR sensor, say APS-C (x1.6) from a Canon Rebel.

True, I am viewing on a standard screen and looking at images, many of which have been manipulated, but I am feeling that the MFT shots in general do not have the depth of color and fullness of the larger sensor cameras.

I am on the line. I really would like to go MFT, but do not want to give up quality. I am presently shooting with a 50D as my primary camera.

Thanks,

Mo

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rrr_hhh Veteran Member • Posts: 6,022
Re: MFT sensor vs APS-C
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Mo50 wrote:

Has anyone shot a test under controlled conditions facing the EM5's sensor against an SLR sensor, say APS-C (x1.6) from a Canon Rebel.

True, I am viewing on a standard screen and looking at images, many of which have been manipulated, but I am feeling that the MFT shots in general do not have the depth of color and fullness of the larger sensor cameras.

I am on the line. I really would like to go MFT, but do not want to give up quality. I am presently shooting with a 50D as my primary camera.

Thanks,

Mo

If you get a camera with one of the last Sony sensor, they will be better than the Canon Rebels APSC sensor; just look at the DXO test results here.

You need at least a FF or a Nikon camera like the D7000 to get better results.

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Jorginho Forum Pro • Posts: 14,329
Re: MFT sensor vs APS-C

I think this is subjective, because obectively (if we look at DxO) the Em5 is better in each and every way than any Canon APS-c is currently.

Also, there are quite a few people who have ditched their FF DSLR, like MKII or D700, for the OMD.
And they are happy with their decision.

If you look at pics, the lenses used and it are the faster ones (20, 25, 45 and 75 or the fast panny zooms) and you simply don't like what you see, don't buy a mFT camera. No one can tell you what you should like.

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Re: MFT sensor vs APS-C

rrr_hhh wrote:

Mo50 wrote:

Has anyone shot a test under controlled conditions facing the EM5's sensor against an SLR sensor, say APS-C (x1.6) from a Canon Rebel.

True, I am viewing on a standard screen and looking at images, many of which have been manipulated, but I am feeling that the MFT shots in general do not have the depth of color and fullness of the larger sensor cameras.

I am on the line. I really would like to go MFT, but do not want to give up quality. I am presently shooting with a 50D as my primary camera.

Thanks,

Mo

If you get a camera with one of the last Sony sensor, they will be better than the Canon Rebels APSC sensor; just look at the DXO test results here.

You need at least a FF or a Nikon camera like the D7000 to get better results.

according to DXO my D5100 has a better sensor than the EM5

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JCB123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,274
Re: MFT sensor vs APS-C
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Mo50 wrote:

Has anyone shot a test under controlled conditions facing the EM5's sensor against an SLR sensor, say APS-C (x1.6) from a Canon Rebel.

True, I am viewing on a standard screen and looking at images, many of which have been manipulated, but I am feeling that the MFT shots in general do not have the depth of color and fullness of the larger sensor cameras.

I am on the line. I really would like to go MFT, but do not want to give up quality. I am presently shooting with a 50D as my primary camera.

Thanks,

Mo

E-PL5 (same sensor as E-M5) vs Nikon D7000 - both 16 MP

@ ISO 200 any difference in image quality is insignificant in prints or normal viewing. (That's shooting raw - not taking into account any vagaries of the jpeg engines)

@ ISO 1600 the D7000 is better in large prints but for an 8x10 print or an HD screen the difference is not visible. (normal viewing)

Image quality (colour depth, dynamic range, snr etc)  is not the main differentiator though. The D7000 AF is far far better at tracking moving subjects. It also can sit on a tripod for days waiting for a remote trigger with virtually no battery drain. No m43 camera can do this (except possibly the GH3 perhaps) DSLRs still have advantages in overall capability.

The reason for owning the E-PL5 is to make use of the small and lightweight lenses. Micro 4/3 lenses are wonderful. The cameras are OK, but I still have a DSLR to do what they cannot do or don't do very well.

Think lenses and just get the body that makes the best sense to use them on.

Regards

John

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rrr_hhh Veteran Member • Posts: 6,022
Re: MFT sensor vs APS-C

illy wrote:

rrr_hhh wrote:

Mo50 wrote:

Has anyone shot a test under controlled conditions facing the EM5's sensor against an SLR sensor, say APS-C (x1.6) from a Canon Rebel.

True, I am viewing on a standard screen and looking at images, many of which have been manipulated, but I am feeling that the MFT shots in general do not have the depth of color and fullness of the larger sensor cameras.

I am on the line. I really would like to go MFT, but do not want to give up quality. I am presently shooting with a 50D as my primary camera.

Thanks,

Mo

If you get a camera with one of the last Sony sensor, they will be better than the Canon Rebels APSC sensor; just look at the DXO test results here.

You need at least a FF or a Nikon camera like the D7000 to get better results.

according to DXO my D5100 has a better sensor than the EM5

I wasn't trying to list any Nikon cameras for the good reason that I'm not a Nikon user and don't know them. I thought that the D7000 was an APSC too ? The main point is that a new Sony MFT sensor would yield better results than the Canon Rebels (aka the xxxD, I picked the 650D because there are not yet test results for the 700D, but I believe that the 700D didn't get a new sensor.

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Paul De Bra
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I made such a switch and have not observed this.

I moved from the Canon 450D (after previously owning the original Rebel/300D) to the E-M5. As a camera the E-M5 is really better than the 450D was, especially in terms of detailed low noise higher iso images. The bigger challenge is to find an "equivalent" for my old 17-55IS f/2.8 lens in the m43 format. I'm hoping for Olympus to come out with something because the Panasonic 12-35 seems to have too much PF for my liking. (Others think it is fine though.)

To get "the same" output may require using RAW. Every manufacturer has its own idea of what the proper look of (jpg) images is. It's not a matter of one being better than the other. They are just different.

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I have both

Mo50 wrote:

Has anyone shot a test under controlled conditions facing the EM5's sensor against an SLR sensor, say APS-C (x1.6) from a Canon Rebel.

True, I am viewing on a standard screen and looking at images, many of which have been manipulated, but I am feeling that the MFT shots in general do not have the depth of color and fullness of the larger sensor cameras.

I am on the line. I really would like to go MFT, but do not want to give up quality. I am presently shooting with a 50D as my primary camera.

Thanks,

Mo

Hi,

I shoot both the E-M5 and the 7D. The only reason the 7D is not yet on ebay is the fact that I like tele photography, and MFT is no match for Canon in both cameras and lenses in that area. Over the years I upgraded my MFT system (started with a GF1) and sold a lot of my Canon glass.

Other than that, Canon is great, but I get the same quality shots with my E-M5. There are advantages and disadvantages for both, beyond the size difference, but in the end both can deliver fantastic shots of similar subjects (except tele).

See this thread for some of my recent shots with the E-M5:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51347745

For me it is MFT for everything except wildlife. Fullframe cameras are a different story, but APS-C and MFT are not that far apart.

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Re: MFT sensor vs APS-C

Mo50 wrote:

Has anyone shot a test under controlled conditions facing the EM5's sensor against an SLR sensor, say APS-C (x1.6) from a Canon Rebel.

True, I am viewing on a standard screen and looking at images, many of which have been manipulated, but I am feeling that the MFT shots in general do not have the depth of color and fullness of the larger sensor cameras.

I am on the line. I really would like to go MFT, but do not want to give up quality. I am presently shooting with a 50D as my primary camera.

Thanks,

Mo

Mo, I'm pleasantly surprised that your gallery is not empty, so I'm talking to real person.

Based on what I could see, my advice to you: go EM5. The reason is simple - you will go for new camera anyway. It can be NEX, or some new Fuji, or M43, but you will definitely buy another camera   M43 is the best choice for me, that is why I recommend to everyone to buy M43.

Based on what I saw, you will get same or better quality shots with M43 system because you're natural EVF/LCD shooter

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elmanhansen Forum Member • Posts: 77
Re: I have both

I use Canon and Pana cameras. The Pana GH3 (and also GH2 at low ISO) and the Canon 7D are not far from each other when it comes to picture quality (RAW files). My 5D III is a different animal. I use the Pana cameras when I do not want to carry a lot af lenses. Or for street photography. But for sport, wildlife and landscapes I definitely prefer the Canon equipment - if weight is not an issue. . .

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Re: MFT sensor vs APS-C

Interesting question.

I just got back from Singapore, where I took along my NEX-6 with 16-50mm kit zoom.  It was rather hazy but I still got a lot of pics.  I had a bunch of the Marina Bay Sands, and wanted to go back and look at photos from a previous Singapore trip, which was prior to the completion of the Sands hotel

So I am perusing my older photos from 2010 and I am impressed by the overall sharpness and color of the images, especially around Clarke Quay and along the river.  They 'looked' better than what I had just taken with my NEX-6.

The 2010 photos were taken with a GF1 and 20mm.  I was surprised as they handily beat the NEX.  But the Panasonic 20mm is a better lens than the Sony kit lens, so I am going to attribute the difference to the lenses used.

Long story short, micro43 can easily hold it's own against an APS camera.

Now to rethink my NEX lens choice  

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Brian Wadie
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Re: MFT sensor vs APS-C

I can't compare on screen but have many comparisons on print, which is where my interest is as I sell my images as prints via craft fairs and galleries.

In a recent exhibition with 30+ images on display and a similar number in the browser (covering canon 5Dmk2, 7D and 550D as well as the EM-5, about 50% EM-5) none of my many visitors could tell which print came from what system

When printing I was able to do some direct comparisons of the same scene shot with the different systems over the years and, if anything, I preferred to colours from the processed EM-5 RAW files as they appear to be more realistic and open yet still vibrant

So, there may be differences when you examine them on screen, but for me, the EM-5 compares remarkably well with canon colours

A couple of shots from the exhibition:

the pano is 6ft wide to give a scale and the larger forest scene is 30"x20"

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