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Samsung NX 300 "M" Mode with Manual Lens, no manual control?

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viking79
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Samsung NX 300 "M" Mode with Manual Lens, no manual control?

Manual mode works fine with auto focus lenses, but not with manual adapter lenses.  This doesn't happen with the NX20. Here is what happens:

In M mode on the NX300 with an adapted/no contact lens when I set the shutter speed at say 1" and ISO at 100, the camera basically ignores whatever I set for shutter speed and picks it automatically.  What makes matters worse is exposure compensation doesn't work either.

So with adapted manual focus lenses M mode is basically ISO and aperture priority, and the camera selects its own shutter speed with no exposure compensation.  This is totally broken.

This makes manual mode totally useless and appears to be a bug, or maybe some setting causing issues?  Maybe I am just missing something, but I don't think this is correct.

Eric

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ChuckTa Senior Member • Posts: 1,492
Re: Samsung NX 300 "M" Mode with Manual Lens, no manual control?

Hmmm, that is not good. I hope it is a bug that can be fix soon with firmware.

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tjobbe
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Re: Samsung NX 300 "M" Mode with Manual Lens, no manual control?

Hi Eric,

I tried that just now after reading and can confirm that the exposure compensation is basically not working to change the exposure but as well misses to display the current exposre gap to metered,  but the correct metering is on historgam only (so the metering as sich is ok in M mode with manual legacy lens)

It seems that the FW is broken here as funny enough I got the f-values dispayed from the previous NX lens attached.

Funny as well: I did got back the issue with the paeking not working because the FW was put back in a state not accepting it to be configured, so after a swap to NX and back to my OM it was active again...

I fear we have to be patient here waiting for a FW updater before that works again.

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tecnoworld
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This is really, really bad. One of the reasons for me to get a nx300 would be to use it with legacy lenses, thx to the focus peaking feature. I hope a new firmware is out soon, to fix all those many many bugs in nx300.

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tjobbe
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tecnoworld wrote:

This is really, really bad. One of the reasons for me to get a nx300 would be to use it with legacy lenses, thx to the focus peaking feature. I hope a new firmware is out soon, to fix all those many many bugs in nx300.

as said: it works, but with a lens change, it is somehow resetting the FW into a state where the legacy ones cannot activate certain features, so swapping back and forth gets it back.

I do not want to do QA for Samsung here but it seems this is not a feature issue but a buggy first FW version for certain use cases (most likely those that Samsung themselves did not intensively test)

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tjobbe
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one add on: the M mode with AutoISO works fine (as the metering as such is ok) as long as you do not hit the max ISO value

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wictred Senior Member • Posts: 1,195
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by the way, can you move the MF zoom area or ist it only in the center of the frame?

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tjobbe
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wictred wrote:

by the way, can you move the MF zoom area or ist it only in the center of the frame?

as before, center loupe only

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paulhome Contributing Member • Posts: 841
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simple fix for most firmware is dont buy a camera in its 1st 6 months.

That might sound a bit negative, but its quite sensible.

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tecnoworld
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And in the meanwhile the price will go down as well, to a more affordable point. I think by a couple of months everything will be ok, both for firmware and for price. And perhaps samsung will also present something even newer befor then...

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Mescalamba Contributing Member • Posts: 902
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paulhome wrote:

simple fix for most firmware is dont buy a camera in its 1st 6 months.

That might sound a bit negative, but its quite sensible.

Heh, actually I gave that same advice multiple times. I was cured pretty fast from buying "new untested" after few burns. Neither of them was Samsung tho, I think its plague of pretty much every today camera.
D800 - left AF sensor, green cast, decentered sensors

D600 - oil and dust on sensor directly from factory, more oil and pieces until you hit around 5000 clicks (that means if I ever wanted D600, I will let someone else click 10k on it :D).

5DMK3 - light leak

D7000 - AF problems, hotpixels
I rather wont go into depths with Sony, suffice to say that A77 when it was "new" was horribly slow and bugged camera.
Seems lately early customers are more like betatesters. Guess its cheaper that way. Btw. neither more expensive companies are perfect, Leica users know that too.

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wictred wrote:

by the way, can you move the MF zoom area or ist it only in the center of the frame?

Correct, same as before, annoying, but if you set manual focus assist to normal (neither 5x or nor 8x), and turn focus peaking on, you can enable/disable focus peaking by pressing the "ok" button.  If you set manual focus assist to 5x or 8x then when you press "ok" it zooms in and will use focus peaking if it is enabled.

The thing to keep in mind is focus peaking is only enabled when you are in your manual focus assist mode (unlike the NEX which is enabled all the time).  I am not sure I like the focus peaking as much as the NEX, but at least it is easy to turn on/off, but will have to try it with some telephoto lenses and such.

Eric

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tjobbe wrote:

one add on: the M mode with AutoISO works fine (as the metering as such is ok) as long as you do not hit the max ISO value

How about Aperture Priority mode—does Auto ISO work OK? I used this the most of the time on my NX200. Thanks.

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Jay Kelbley
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Sorry for the delay reply.
Manual lens issue will be corrected in new firmware update coming shortly!

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Jay Kelbley wrote:

Sorry for the delay reply.
Manual lens issue will be corrected in new firmware update coming shortly!

-Jay

Thanks Jay!

Eric

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Hannu108 wrote:

tjobbe wrote:

one add on: the M mode with AutoISO works fine (as the metering as such is ok) as long as you do not hit the max ISO value

How about Aperture Priority mode—does Auto ISO work OK? I used this the most of the time on my NX200. Thanks.

That works fine (As said: the metering as such is perfectly working, it is an issue with displaying the under/over exposure on the scale so you are left with the histogram if not using any AUTO feature that includes the AutoISO)

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tecnoworld
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I don't own the 300, yet, but I tested it in a shop and noticed that focus speed is on par with my nx200. Besides I noticed that the lenses move back and forward to find focus, instead of just choosing the right direction, as it should be with phase detect. Is there a firmware issue with af as well?

I'll get the 300 if af is made faster as advertised.

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Ariston Senior Member • Posts: 2,401
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Mescalamba wrote:

paulhome wrote:

simple fix for most firmware is dont buy a camera in its 1st 6 months.

That might sound a bit negative, but its quite sensible.

Heh, actually I gave that same advice multiple times. I was cured pretty fast from buying "new untested" after few burns. Neither of them was Samsung tho, I think its plague of pretty much every today camera.
D800 - left AF sensor, green cast, decentered sensors

D600 - oil and dust on sensor directly from factory, more oil and pieces until you hit around 5000 clicks (that means if I ever wanted D600, I will let someone else click 10k on it :D).

5DMK3 - light leak

D7000 - AF problems, hotpixels
I rather wont go into depths with Sony, suffice to say that A77 when it was "new" was horribly slow and bugged camera.
Seems lately early customers are more like betatesters. Guess its cheaper that way. Btw. neither more expensive companies are perfect, Leica users know that too.

I believe it comes down to people who wants ,needs and have to own the camera immediately versus people who waits until the price goes down and everything is set before they buy the camera. let's face it, there is no perfect camera system and early adopters are always faced with such problems of which are may or may not be deal-breakers for their use. although the funny thing about some non-owners is that they may complain about the video basing on the findings of other owners despite the fact that they will never or very rarely use it nor would it affect them shooting candid videos, jpegs complaints eventhough they don't shoot jpegs, and so forth and so on. of course there are those people with valid reasons for their use and there are those that are just looking for an excuse not to purchase. and despite the fact of the shortcomings of the previous NX models, they did sell and people bought them eventually whether with weaknesses, bugs or no bugs, no firmware fix for a bargain price. like the D800, despite having some QC issues, I'd bet people would buy it without hesitation if someone is selling it for $1500. but surely I'm not selling mine at that amount, lol.

with regards to my NX300 in-depth user review, my best guess-timate would be on the first week of May. as I have said since February, I am pretty booked this April, so I don't have much time right now doing tests and analysis. I have my NX300 though and been using it alongside the 2 Fuji's for a few weeks now. my initial impression is that the camera can hold it's own against the Fuji's and is a big step up to the previous NX models. I have a feeling the NX-R might be better. I would encourage people to do a field test or use of the camera since the experience is very different as oppose to trying it inside the store.

cream
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hi

at least we get firmware updates, keep up the good work samsung

remember my sony hx9   no updates  cost £300.

so well done samsung  getting on top of things

now get this new firmware out for my nx300 

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Jay Kelbley
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Firmware ver 1.10 for NX300 is now available for download.

I did a quick test with my manual lenses, and everything seems to work correctly.

-Jay

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