Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

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AofA
AofA Forum Member • Posts: 97
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

the type of camera does not make a "pro".

get some exceptional lenses.

MikeInIndy Senior Member • Posts: 1,077
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

And with more and more component cost cutting, electronics to fail and planned obsolescence etc they're getting to be even less so.  Oh, and don't forget that any problem even in warranty is likely to be "impact damage".  Frankly we're reaching a zenith where "slower" and cheaper glass can get you image quality that is more than adequate results for most uses.  I switched to a 70-200 f4 rather than buying a VRII 2.8 and am glad I went that way for example.  And aside from having to correct distortion every time my 24-85 VR seems to be more than sufficiently sharp.  I'm actually surprised Nikon took so long to release a new 80-400 or why they don't release some "slow" telephoto primes.  And the old "digital cameras become worthless in no time" is starting to fall off since even a used digital camera is now so powerful.  See the selling prices and performance of a used D700 if you're not sure.  Low end DX cameras are still a commodity but high end cameras that perform hold their value reasonably well.

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larrywilson
larrywilson Veteran Member • Posts: 5,458
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

Greg,

Actually the d7100 isn't that bad.  I am using it for a backup for my d4, so yes the d7100 is a very good camera.  It will not hold you back from taking excellant images, is built well and the sensor is also excellant.  Lenses is where it is at nowdays.  I would suggest buying professional lenses and stay away from Nikons cheaper ones.  Lenses such as the older 28-70 f2.8 is an example of a good lens that you can buy used.  Work on your skills by taking a field seminar, reading professional photographers books and getting a good foundation.  Good luck Greg in your pursuit of your interests.

Larry

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greg606 OP New Member • Posts: 16
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

Thanks,

So lens, then.

I love zooms so maybe 70-200 2.8 or killer 80-400

Animals would flee in fear

larrywilson, what about these primes:

28, 50, 85 all 1.8 - they are very cheap and according to dxomark best lenses in the world

AZBlue
AZBlue Contributing Member • Posts: 866
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

The D7100 has plenty of resolution for what you need, you just need better lenses. The challenge with the D7100's DX sensor is that it has a 1.5x crop factor. For instance, a 20mm lens on a full frame camera will give you the expected 20mm wide angle view. Put the same lens on a smaller sensor DX camera like the D7100 and you end up with a field of view equivalent to 30mm on a full frame camera.

If you are shooting far away objects, a DX sensor will give you added reach without giving up pixels via cropping. If this is your subject matter, you will end up with more detailed photos at lower cost using the D7100. If you shoot wide angle subjects, perhaps a camera with an FX sensor may be a better option.

Before switching to another camera, I suggest you hold it in your hands first or better yet, rent one from your local camera place so you can try it for a few days and see how you like it.

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greg606 OP New Member • Posts: 16
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

I guess IQ and low ISO performance cannot be compared too...

Andy365 New Member • Posts: 3
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

Couldn't agree more. I had a a D70s and upgraded to D7000 and bought a 35mm 1.8 at the same time.  The new camera and lens were amazing and although I love the 7000 when I put the new lens on the 70 it became clear it was mostly the lens! And my increased talent which I downloaded from a web site that day also.

I'm saving for the pro series trinity and not bothering with the 7100 at all.

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PHXAZCRAIG
PHXAZCRAIG Forum Pro • Posts: 13,107
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

Even your old camera would be fine for catching the moment.   Probably better than most, with a superzoom, since you're almost always going to have a lens that can be zoomed to the best focal range for the composition.

You don't need a D800 to get great shots.  Nor primes.   But if you do, and if you start looking critically at the images (pixel peep), I've little doubt you'll be forced to learn a lot of ins and outs of photographic discpline, and understand the pros and cons of whatever lens you put on the camera.  In that respect, a D800 can help teach you photography, though more about the gear and how to achieve the highest resolution than anything else.   An important, yet minor part of photography.

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Petroglyph
Petroglyph Veteran Member • Posts: 5,673
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer
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Rent the D800 with a Nikkor 50mm f/1.8g and a Nikkor 35mm f/1.8g for your D7100.  This will give you about the same FOV on both cams.  Try to take the same shots with both cameras and then compare your results at the end of the day.  (Be sure and carry the D800 around all day to see how you like that)  When I was trying out these cams I thought I'd never use the "1.3 crop" feature on the D7100.  I found it so useful I programmed one of the front buttons to change back and forth during the trial.  The D7100 will be a pretty good sports camera in my opinion, if that is your thing.  Have fun, we really are all about the gear here.  Ha.

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Robin Casady Forum Pro • Posts: 12,898
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

Jeffcs wrote:
Owning a Nikon does not make you a photographer it makes you a Nikon owner
Jeffcs

Or, a CSI squint.

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Jeffcs
Jeffcs New Member • Posts: 3
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

At this point I think many have given you some great ideas and nearly all have the same thoughts. First of all you have a really good body and for now keep the D7100 and than add a couple of really good zooms 24/70F2.8 and 70/200 F2.8vrII. With that said there are 3 things least important to most camera body -lens - photographer as the camera and lens combination are no better than a paperweight until used to create an image. So I suggest they you read - eat - breath photography and learn the craft. I have a great learning site on the web "kelby" search for it I think it costs $179 per year and has unlimited time it's a great place to learn. I have p---- off some people when asked what the best camera they can buy to make great photos my reply "owning a Nikon doesn't not make you a photographer , it makes you a Nikon owner" as if to purchase the best will make any one a great shooter. I do not want to sound contrary I think I've seen many over buy, get frustrated put the camera down never to grow into the potential that have.
Go learn make it fun I mean it must be fun and enjoy
Jeff

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Paul Crouse Junior Member • Posts: 49
Re: A Nikon D800 is overkill by a hundred miles

A D800 is the wrong tool for your intentions.

People on this website often get caught up with "I must have the best!" and then spend way too much money on a tool miles above their skill level -- or need. This website enables over consumption.

You are much better off spending money and time taking a photography class -- or paying someone to tutor you.

If you can not get good images from a D7100, then you will not get good images from a D800. You will become very frustrated.

Betters lenses will help. 16-85mm and 70-200 f4 with your D7100 should fill most of your needs.

Why do you need 35 megapixel files? Are photographing in a studio for train station posters?

Good luck.

Paul

Dennis2958 Contributing Member • Posts: 535
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

I need your advise.

Now I am considering switching it to D800 + primes.

What would you advice?

If you're serious about this get the 7100.

If you're dead serious about this then get the 800.

I'm serious...............

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greg606 OP New Member • Posts: 16
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

what do you mean?

Rich Rosen Senior Member • Posts: 2,221
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

greg606 wrote:

Hi

I need your advise. I recently sold my Canon 50D and and C 70-300 and stayed with C 17-55 2.8.

I bought Nikon D7100 with 18-300.

But....

Now I am considering switching it to D800 + primes. I decided to switch to nikon based on dxomark scores and more attractive prices.  I am not a pro but I am aiming to. I have an IT company with photography as one of the fields of operationWhat's important to me is superior image quality.  I shoot mainly personal shots - family, journeys (now I go to Toscany)  I love wildilfe photograph.

I am dissatisfied with perfomance of d71000 (5frames!, small buffer, too small for my hands, small viewfinder) and totally with the lens (I bought terrible lens with hell of distortions, loq IQ).

If I buy d800 I will initially go with 1-2 primes which can be hard for me as I love zooms convenience but I was planning to switch to more image quality and landed with some bad choices.  Also d800 would place me in the market with some earning potential as I dont see d7100 here. But I read - not good for weddings, not god for concerts, not good for animals, sports at all.

I feel d800 will be switch into full artistic expression. I love catching the moments.

What would you advice?

Nikon d800 has some limitations for me too - FPS being one. But image quality is something I'm aiming at.

On the other hand I am more gadget man than really into photography (feel unhappy with anything than best). Of course price is also a factor, too.

some my photos: http://szczotka.net/photography

You can't possibly judge the D7100 image quality, and its full potential, with your admitted bad 18-300. Get those primes, or the "holy trinity" first. If size of the camera is a concern, get the MB-D 15 grip. If you are still not happy, then opt for the D800.

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Mike St James Senior Member • Posts: 1,055
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

Great answer, Robin. If we want high-quality comedy or sarcasm, I doubt we would look for it here.

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PBenoit New Member • Posts: 9
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer
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Go D800 and do not look back if picture quality is what you are after. Now get ready to upgrade your processing equipment (processor, memory, hard disk), files are MUCH larger. Not a very forgiving camera either (needs to practise to get the best of the 36MP sensor). But dynamic range, definition, color depth, ...you will not find anything better at this price point. Not sure the "E" version is bringing really much more, unless you shoot under very controlled (studio for example) conditions. Only thing this body is not the best in: high speed frame shooting, and ridiculeous high ISO (above 6400), but the ISO range up and including 6400ISO takes you a long way. For either of those 2 situations, D4 (or D3S, cheaper) is the way to go.

I have the 14-24, 28 1.8, 50 1.8, 85 1.4, 24-120 4, 300 4, they all perform superbly (even the 24-120, despite mixed reviews with such a demanding sensor).

BTW, I have both a D7100 and D800. Have a look at my feed back here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3390535

banzaii New Member • Posts: 1
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

I haven't read the full thread and i'm caught in the same dilemma. For the price of the D800, you can almost buy both the D610 and D7100. Then you can enjoy both FX and DX formats widening the capabilities of your tools. That is, if you can sacrifice the 36 megs. and still afford the extra lenses.

TheMeister Regular Member • Posts: 247
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

banzaii wrote:

I haven't read the full thread and i'm caught in the same dilemma. For the price of the D800, you can almost buy both the D610 and D7100. Then you can enjoy both FX and DX formats widening the capabilities of your tools. That is, if you can sacrifice the 36 megs. and still afford the extra lenses.

Buying the d610 and the d7100 doest make any sense.
You are aware the d610 has an dx mode and dx has no purpose except if you wanna shoot with dx glas.
He d800 is awesome, but noone needs 36megpix unless he wants to make prints the size of buildings.
For the price of the d800 id get the d610 (6fps!) and some gold ring glas. Thats what i did.

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TheMeister Regular Member • Posts: 247
Re: Nikon D800 or D7100 for aspiring photographer

banzaii wrote:

I haven't read the full thread and i'm caught in the same dilemma. For the price of the D800, you can almost buy both the D610 and D7100. Then you can enjoy both FX and DX formats widening the capabilities of your tools. That is, if you can sacrifice the 36 megs. and still afford the extra lenses.

That advice makes no sense.
If he wants to use dx glas, just get the d610 only and put it in dx mode. There is no further capabilities to crop cameras like the 7100.
The d800 is awesome but noone needs 36megpix unless the want to make prints the size of buildings.
For the price of the d800 id get the d610 and some gold ring glas.
Thats what i did - way better investment!

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