Advise on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM and EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM

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acyt New Member • Posts: 1
Advise on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM and EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM

I currently own a EOS 450d. I own a Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 Pro DX II Lens, canon standard 18-55mm f5.6 and 50mm f1.8. I have looked into EF24-105mm, though there are pretty good reviews, quite a number recommend EF24-70mm  instead. Please advise!

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Re: Advise on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM and EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM

Both are excellent lenses. You'll find equal numbers of recommendations on both lenses, I'm afraid

I have the 24-70/2.8 II, and it's probably the sharpest standard zoom available. OTOH, at half the price, 24-105L is also a good lens. It's slightly less sharp (more noticeable in the corners), has more pronounced barrel distortion at 24mm - but extends to 105mm. For travel, 24-105 L is more suitable. If your budget allows and want the best IQ in a zoom lens, get the 24-70 II.

Either will serve you well - it's down to your photographic skill in the end

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kewlguy wrote:

Either will serve you well - it's down to your photographic skill in the end

This!

Put your hand in your pocket and see how much money it comes out with. If it comes out with enough for the 24-105 get that, if it comes out with enough money for the 24-70 get that, you know your financial situation, we don't. I'm not going to say get the 24-70, you buy it, miss a mortgage payment and end up on the street

I've got the 24-70, I had it's predecessor the 28-70 for 14 years, I expect the 24-70 to last the same length of time.

Neither will make you a better photographer though

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acyt wrote:

I currently own a EOS 450d. I own a Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 Pro DX II Lens, canon standard 18-55mm f5.6 and 50mm f1.8. I have looked into EF24-105mm, though there are pretty good reviews, quite a number recommend EF24-70mm  instead. Please advise!

I went for the 24-105 in the end, as nice as the 24-70 MkII maybe, as I could pick up a 'white box' 24-105 new for a third of the discounted cost of a 24-70 MkII it seemed a no brainer to me.

'White box' is where the lens was part of a camera body and lens kit where the body is sold separately, well worth looking out for them.

So far I am very happy with the 24-105, most of it optical foibles can be removed using the lens correction available in DPP or the like quite easily. OK the sharpness may not be the best across the board but using DPP's Digital Lens Optimiser the results seem quite good. A4 prints look pretty stunning, just waiting for the right subject to do an A3 print with.

It fits in nicely with my 70-200 f4 IS L making a nice two lens package. Add in my 16-35 f2.8 IS L MkII and I have most things are covered.

I 'hummed and hawed' over this lens for quite a while as there seemed to mixed reviews on it, now I have got it I am beginning to wonder why I didn't get it sooner!

If you have the money then the 24-70 MkII is a stonking lens, otherwise the 24-105 makes a very good second best.

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Alastair Norcross Veteran Member • Posts: 7,442
Re: Advise on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM and EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM

It depends both on how much you are willing to spend and on what you are looking for in that lens range. Obviously, the 24-70II is a lot more money than the 24-105. More than twice the price. It is, according to the reviews, a bit sharper and has a bit less distortion. I have had the 24-105 for over six years, and have found it to be very sharp. It isn't the sharpest lens I own, but I also own the 70-200 F2.8L IS II, which is about the sharpest zoom Canon has ever made, and the 100 F2.8L IS macro, and the 200 F2.8L and the 35 F1.4L. However, the 24-105 is still plenty sharp. You won't see the difference at normal printing or viewing sizes. When I bought the 24-105, I could have gotten the mark I version of the 24-70 for about the same price. I chose the 24-105, because the IS and the extra range were (and still are) more important to me than having F2.8 on that lens. I still have the same preferences, so I wouldn't get the 24-70, even if it were the same price as the 24-105. Others have different priorities. If Canon had put IS on the new 24-70, I might have been tempted. For many people, IS is a huge factor. My point is that the choice certainly doesn't just come down to absolute lens IQ and price. For many people, such as me, the 24-105 is the better choice, regardless of price. You also need to ask yourself how much IS and the extra range matter to you, compared with one stop more light gathering ability.

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qianp2k Forum Pro • Posts: 10,350
Re: Advise on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM and EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM
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Are you going to move to FF soon?  If not, actually both are not designed and optimized for APS-C bodies.

24-105L performs about the same as EF-S walk-around counterparts on APS-C bodes but one-stop slower than 17-55/2.8 or third party 17-50/2.8.  24-70L II will likely perform better but not wide enough and largely wasted its potential at such hefty price.

If you move to FF soon, my suggestion is still get a combo deal with 24-105L which is an excellent 4.375x walk-around zoom at very attractive price from the kit deal.  I still keep my 24-105L even bought 24-70L II recently as its extra 35mm reach, lighter body and especially having 'IS' are still useful.

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Re: Advise on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM and EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM

Alastair Norcross wrote:

It depends both on how much you are willing to spend and on what you are looking for in that lens range. Obviously, the 24-70II is a lot more money than the 24-105. More than twice the price. It is, according to the reviews, a bit sharper and has a bit less distortion. I have had the 24-105 for over six years, and have found it to be very sharp. It isn't the sharpest lens I own, but I also own the 70-200 F2.8L IS II, which is about the sharpest zoom Canon has ever made, and the 100 F2.8L IS macro, and the 200 F2.8L and the 35 F1.4L. However, the 24-105 is still plenty sharp. You won't see the difference at normal printing or viewing sizes. When I bought the 24-105, I could have gotten the mark I version of the 24-70 for about the same price. I chose the 24-105, because the IS and the extra range were (and still are) more important to me than having F2.8 on that lens. I still have the same preferences, so I wouldn't get the 24-70, even if it were the same price as the 24-105. Others have different priorities. If Canon had put IS on the new 24-70, I might have been tempted. For many people, IS is a huge factor. My point is that the choice certainly doesn't just come down to absolute lens IQ and price. For many people, such as me, the 24-105 is the better choice, regardless of price. You also need to ask yourself how much IS and the extra range matter to you, compared with one stop more light gathering ability.

I got the 24-105 also, shoot it for many years and never afraid to shoot wide open at f/4.  My friend got the first 24-70 f/2.8 instead and end up selling it and get 24-105 about a year after because for him at f/4 they both about as sharp.  Maybe he had bad copy(twice). Yes, it's not the  sharpest zoom lens, but it's good enough to shoot wide open almost all the time even for FF like 5D2.  As other ppl mention the IS could be a deal breaker for some people.  And as you get older, the IS start to look pretty sweet.  So, for the mkII which is much more expensive, it's even harder to justify for many non-professional because it's obviously not twice as sharp.

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You might also consider the

Tamron 24-70mm f2.8 VC.

A wide f2.8 aperture and image stabilization.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Tamron-SP-24-70mm-f-2.8-Di-VC-USD-review-A-uniquely-versatile-pro-worthy-alternative

Kasper FC Regular Member • Posts: 238
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Don't buy the new 24-70 2,8II. If you have the money, buy a Canon 6d with 24-105 as a kit. Its almost the same price as the 24-70 alone!!

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ok55 Contributing Member • Posts: 523
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I have both the 24-105f4L & the 24-70f2.8L for my 5D2. I really don't use the 24-105 much owing to its slow max aperture. My style involves a signicant proportion of shots around f2.8. I like the subject isolation at relatively close range. While the IS can be useful sometimes I find the need to freeze subject movement means higher speeds anyway.

As for weight, I don't find the difference significant...esp as my grip is always on.

I think in the end it boils down to what you shoot, individual style and what floats your boat. And for my own style the 24-105 just doesnt hack it.

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Don Richardson Senior Member • Posts: 1,454
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There are several 24-105 IS that are new but out of 5DIII/24-105 combo for really good prices on Buy/Sell forum here.

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Bought and returned a 24-70 II

I might have had a bad copy but I didn't see a substantial difference relative to my 24-105.

(I don't print and strictly view my images on a 24" EIZO or a 27" iMac)

Given my other gear wants; 85L and a RX1, I did not think it was worth it.

YMMV.

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If you've not done so, feel the weight difference. The 24-105 is much lighter. As someone here said get a new body and the 24-105. If you take photos in the real world that's the answer but if it sits in your bag whilst you read debates over mtf charts on the forums you'll only be happy with the 24-70. Well until the mkIII comes out then the mkII will suck!

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Advice for "acyt" is to return to the thread you started...

You asked for [advise] over a week ago and got eleven people to spend some time writing their opinion, trying to help you out, and asking questions to refine their answers.

However, doesn't seem like the OP has returned since posting (a week ago)...the answer must not have been important to him.

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billythek Veteran Member • Posts: 5,260
Re: Advice for "acyt" is to return to the thread you started...

The OP owns a Rebel, so I think a reasonable assumption would be that price is a consideration to him. He probably checked the price of the 24-700II, which eliminated the need for further discussion.
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GMak New Member • Posts: 11
Re: Advise on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM and EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM

To answer this question one would have to own both lenses, which I don't. I own the 24 – 70 mm F2 .8 L USM, the previous version of this lens. It gives fantastic results. Very sharp, very balanced. I probably use this lens  most of the time for most general situations. If there is one lens I had to grab I would grab this one. I originally had some less than sharp results when I first bought it but send it into Cannon for micro focus adjustments. Now it renders some of the sharpest photos I have with any of my lenses. I can only imagine that version II of this lens is just as good, maybe  better with some updates, although I can't think of anything other than making it lighter, maybe a little smaller. Is that worth me trading in my current lens for a new one? No way! I have great confidence in this lens.  The new version of the lens takes a larger filter which is problematic. The older lens takes the more common 77 mm filters. As a lens category you really need this in your bag. Here's a thought: see what the prices are on a used 24 – 70  millimeter 2.8 L lens is. You could probably get it at a quarter of the price of the new series 2 lens. You could probably save a bundle and have a fabulous lens. Hope this helps.

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I looked at all 3 - 24-70 , 24-70 II and the 24-105 .

I already had the 28-135 and wanted something better to fill in the gap between the 17-55 and the 70-200 .

The 24-70 II was a different size filter which meant carrying / buy more ND's and cpl's .

None were good enough to justify the extra money .

Unless you are really good / picky / print really big or do major cropping , look at the 55-250 .

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blue hour wrote:

You might also consider the

Tamron 24-70mm f2.8 VC.

A wide f2.8 aperture and image stabilization.

dpreview today released their review of the Tamron 24-70 and it looks like it's very impressive. The only fast 24-70 (or close) with image stabilization. I sold the 24-105 when it came with my 6D because I do too much low light shooting and didn't want to have a zoom required other lenses at night. I'd rather get the f/2.8 and have a single travel lens when I need to go with just one lens. If I can go with multiple lenses then I'd rather use primes, so the 24-105 wasn't going to get used by me. And the Canon 24-70 is outrageously priced given the way it scores against the Tamron.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05/20/just-posted-tamron-sp-24-70mm-f-2-8-di-vs-usd-lens-review-image-stabilised-fast-zoom

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This answer is pretty cliche'd but true...

The 24-70 II has been nearly permanently attached to my 5D2 and I may have to buy another Canon camera just so that I can use some of my other lenses. For landscapes requiring as much detail as one can muster, I don't have a better zoom lens.

While waiting on the 24-70 II for 2 years after selling my 2nd version of the original 24-70, I used the 24-105 in its stead and like the finished images just fine but not as much as I am getting from the new lens.

Can't advise you as to the performance of either on crop cameras.

acyt wrote:

I currently own a EOS 450d. I own a Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 Pro DX II Lens, canon standard 18-55mm f5.6 and 50mm f1.8. I have looked into EF24-105mm, though there are pretty good reviews, quite a number recommend EF24-70mm  instead. Please advise!

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arab_ninja Regular Member • Posts: 110
Re: Advise on EF24-105mm f/4L IS USM and EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM

I own both lenses. Got the 24-105 first, as the kit lens on 5d3. Then after hearing so many great reviews, decided to take the plunge on the 24-70 II. And I'm glad I did! After a weekend with it, I'm convinced that I made the right decision. I can foresee my 24-105 gathering dust.

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