Focus peaking an essential feature in a cam with interchangeable lens

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baobob
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Focus peaking an essential feature in a cam with interchangeable lens

probably more useful / neeeded than in a cam with a fixed lens?

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Re: Focus peaking an essential feature in a cam with interchangeable lens - ??

I'm not sure if it really is essential - perhaps useful in some situations.

X-E1 in manual focusing mode and  focus checking (press on the command dial) is also one way to do it.  Focus peaking (the color)  in some cameras is in a way disturbing.

I'm sure some next Fuji model will have that gadget too.

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Albert Valentino Veteran Member • Posts: 6,720
Re: Focus peaking an essential feature in a cam with interchangeable lens

it would be interesting to post this thread in the Leica forum.

not essential in my opinion but more important with longer and faster lenses that have shallow DOF. Not too important with wider lenses since you can set it and forget it! If fuji did not have an EVF that magnifies, then focus peaking would be more vital, especially with fly by wire glass

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il_alexk Senior Member • Posts: 2,326
It depends

My subjective and biased opinion:

1. I've seen some people arguing the importance of the focus peaking as a compensation for inaccurate AF. I'd rather prefer the manufacturer of my camera to spend R&D resources on improving the AF than on focus peaking in this case

2. Focus peaking is quite useful with manual lenses. Then again I've always been using a "Focusing trap" (FT) or "Catch in focus" (CIF) with my other camera. The FT/CIF is way more responsive than focus peaking and offers a similar if not better accuracy. I'd rather recommend all vendors to have this feature instead/before the FP.

Anyway, having focus peaking on a camera is not going to do any harm. So why not, bring it in :).

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Imagefoundry Regular Member • Posts: 269
Re: Focus peaking an essential feature in a cam with interchangeable lens

I agree with OP, focus peaking (or focus confirmation) are pretty essential for a new camera system. I mean, one of the attractions here is the ability to use older lenses while waiting for native lens lineup to fill out.

As for EVF magnifying feature, it's really only usable for tripod shots. I tried so hard to get used to it but frankly it's too idiosyncratic for everyday use.

Al Valentino wrote:

it would be interesting to post this thread in the Leica forum.

not essential in my opinion but more important with longer and faster lenses that have shallow DOF. Not too important with wider lenses since you can set it and forget it! If fuji did not have an EVF that magnifies, then focus peaking would be more vital, especially with fly by wire glass

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il_alexk Senior Member • Posts: 2,326
Re: Focus peaking an essential feature in a cam with interchangeable lens

Al Valentino wrote:

it would be interesting to post this thread in the Leica forum.

not essential in my opinion but more important with longer and faster lenses that have shallow DOF.

Actually I find it more challenging to manually focus with F2.8 at 17mm than at 200mm . It is very difficult to see any difference with an ultra wide-angle lens

Not too important with wider lenses since you can set it and forget it!

Works perfect at f8-f16, but manually focusing 17mm at f2.8 can be be challenging.However magnifying glass does help a lot.

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Astrophotographer 10 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,672
Re: It depends

Fuji scored a lot of good reviews with its addition of split screen and focus peaking with X100s.

That tells you its a very needed inclusion.

I have several manual focus lenses. Also I agree, UWA are harder to focus manually as the differences are smaller and they dont magnify much even at 10X.

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Re: Focus peaking an essential feature in a cam with interchangeable lens

Al

Did you try to MF with EVF a 300mm equiv ? (my Canon 70-200mm)

Yes it works but it's slow

It would be a fantastic asset to mount any telelens

I also use my 100-400mm plus the Kenko 1.4ext Focus peaking could be most useful

It does not work on my Sony RX100... 

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Sebit Regular Member • Posts: 241
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It's good for low light, little imprecise for other occasions. Still, in my opinion, much better than digital split image. That b&w dsi image is low resolution, dark and low contrast, working only on vertical lines - not so great as your FM2 matte, for example. Far from it. In low light nearly unusable.
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Not essential IMHO. EVF/LCD magnification is essential, focus peaking is sometimes helpful but other times less useful than finder magnification. Still, there are obviously plenty of folks who value it, so if I were a product manager I'd make sure my cameras had it.

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probably more useful / neeeded than in a cam with a fixed lens?

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I hate peaking...
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I had a NEX-5, 5N and 7, used focus peaking with M-Mount lenses with all of them and... hated it. It just doesn't give you any focus accuracy. It isn't quite as bad a MF solution as the distance meter on the Contax G2 but IMO it's close.

I'll confess I was doing better with peaking on the X100S the other day than I ever did with my Sonys but I still get much better MF results through magnification for critcal focus than I ever did with peaking.

It is useful for video, but for stills it is a waste of time (all IMO of course)...

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peeking thought

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Pressing AEL/AFL button in manual mode (and primary with OVF of my XPRO1)  I hear "beep" when subject is in focus. In silent mode I have no information. So, I look at the light blue bar and the red index. When the focus is impossible the lens hunts then the bar stops at 2 mt. But if my subject is at 2mt of distance I have a doubt: the subject is in focus? Why, if i have not a focus peaking system (primary with OVF) I can't have a message of no-focus reached?

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Re: Focus peaking an essential feature in a cam with interchangeable lens

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Yes focus peaking is needed for street photo using manual lenses. I want focus peaking in my XE1!

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Lyle From Canada Senior Member • Posts: 1,512
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Essential? I could not care less aout ocus peaking. As or it being a must for street, i dont recll any of the greats needing it.

Fuji x-pro1 with 35/1.4, fuji x100 and WA adapter, fuji x10

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Essential? I could not care less about focus peaking. As or it being a must for street, i dont recll any of the greats needing it.

The greats didn't use digital camera with adapted lenses.

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Funny, I've been a armature/sometimes pro photographer for thirty years and I seem to have managed perfectly fine without focus peaking.

I've had my X-E1 for about three months now and I am taking photos with it without any issues at all. In fact it was well exceeded all my expectations. The IQ out of it is remarkable and all done without focus peaking.

If you think focus peaking will make you a better photographer, then perhaps for you it will.

Good luck.

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Re: I hate peaking...

Thx for posting your opinion, it contributes to make up one's mind..

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Re: I hate peaking...

baobob wrote:

Thx for posting your opinion, it contributes to make up one's mind..

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I'm just grumpy, so don't take me too seriously - but I still find I can compose, magnify and focus a lot quicker and more accurately than using peaking.

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More useful in a mirrorless camera that takes manual lenses...or that lenses become manual focus on.  For example, many people use "legacy" lenses on their m43 cameras...old Pentax, Minolta...zoom and focus peaking are a great benefit with them.

I find focus peaking makes finding critical focus faster, but not necessarily more accurate.  For accuracy  high zoom level works better.

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