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Pentax *ist DSLR

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episodic Regular Member • Posts: 387
Pentax *ist DSLR

I have a chance to pick up a used Pentax *ist DSLR 6.1 megapixel camera. There are about 21,000 shutter clicks the person tells me (a friend, so I tend to trust them). He isn't selling a lens with it, so I would need a lens - for about a hundred bucks. Do these cameras tend to last a while and would this be a good starter DSLR?

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kjfishman New Member • Posts: 1
Re: Pentax *ist DSLR

I had a ist DL that I was very happy with but unfortunately I dropped it on concrete and it didn't survive my attempt to repair. I used for 6 or 7 years no problems great camera. I bought a used ist DS for $125 and it is better in some respects, Pentaprism view finder, multiple focus points. Very happy with it. I think you will find happiness with yours. I have been using Li-on AA batteries get a lot of shots.

The only complaint about this series is the autofocus can be slow in low light.

episodic wrote:

I have a chance to pick up a used Pentax *ist DSLR 6.1 megapixel camera. There are about 21,000 shutter clicks the person tells me (a friend, so I tend to trust them). He isn't selling a lens with it, so I would need a lens - for about a hundred bucks. Do these cameras tend to last a while and would this be a good starter DSLR?

mike703 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,715
Re: Pentax *ist DSLR

I'd say it would be worth $100 if he's going to throw in a kit lens.  If he isn't and you're looking at $200 for the body and lens separately, go for something like a K-x (look on ebay for prices) which you should be able to get for $250 or so with a lens, and is massively better in all respects - image quality, bulk, speed of use, screen, focus...

The *ist is about 10 years old technology even if this copy is newer than that.  I wouldn't pay $200 for a 10 years old PC (with all that is implied in terms of usability) if I could get a 3 years old one for $250... that's a reasonable analogy.

Best wishes

klimbkat
klimbkat Senior Member • Posts: 2,659
Re: Pentax *ist DSLR

ist series is a good starter camera, though as others have noted, for a bit more you can get a newer series with more bells & whistles.  The ist sensor is very good.  KEH has a couple of bodies from $130s to 160s for LN, but they typically sell on ebay for around $100 to 150 with the 18-55 kit lens.

rwl408 Senior Member • Posts: 1,849
Re: Pentax *ist DSLR

episodic wrote:

I have a chance to pick up a used Pentax *ist DSLR 6.1 megapixel camera. There are about 21,000 shutter clicks the person tells me (a friend, so I tend to trust them). He isn't selling a lens with it, so I would need a lens - for about a hundred bucks. Do these cameras tend to last a while and would this be a good starter DSLR?

You can get a decent *ist with kit lens for less than $150 on eBay. I still shoot my DL, which was converted to IR, but I would suggest you get something with better sensor and AF.

ccd Regular Member • Posts: 372
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I think it makes a big difference as to which model. Is it a *istD.....or a *istDL or *istDS. The former was the high end version of the three. The latter were considered entry level models. As such, the image quality differences were subtle, but other feature differences were more pronounced....most esp. as it relates to your situation with shutter life.

Shutter life expectancy on average for the *istD is 57,000 clicks. For the DL, 37,000.....and for the DS, only 24,000. Not to say these don't vary, but it gives you an idea of the value for possible remaining lifespan for each.

That being said, I still have my DL and love it. It is what I learned on for DSLR and very good in that regard. It is a supplement to my K-r and it takes great low ISO shots. As others have suggested, the newer generation models are SO much more responsive with AF, fps, etc. And high ISO shots are much better from the K-x on.  I would agree if you can get a good K-x for less than $250, then you will be very happy.

JNR
JNR Veteran Member • Posts: 4,652
Re: Pentax *ist DSLR

Assuming it is an *istD, CCD is right - and $100 is a fair price. The sensor quality is fine, considering that it is only 6 mp. Screen is small, but very good with wonderful AR. Another big advantage is the camera accepts the superior old TTL technology - and you can use the old version of TTL (such as a Vivitar with a Pentax module) commonly available used and cheap.

Down sides are that the processing is very slow, and the JPEGs are soft. However, if you are willing to shoot RAW and can accept slow shot-to-shot times (compared to modern cameras), you get fine image quality and a very compact unit.

Good luck with your decision.

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kriztian Senior Member • Posts: 1,449
Re: Pentax *ist DSLR

I dont Think you should pay more than 10 -20 dollars for it maximum 30. It is not really a good camera for starter theese Days. You will only get disapointed when you see how bad it performes conserning iso and dynamic range. You will almost immidiatley buy a newer one. trust me.

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You will only get disapointed when you see how bad it performes conserning iso and dynamic range. You will almost immidiatley buy a newer one. trust me.

Why would we trust you with no proof?

What makes you assume the OP is consumed with pixel peeking such that he would immediately dislike the camera? As far as dynamic range goes, the early 6 mp sensors were actually far better at avoiding highlight clipping than any of the early CMOS sensors that came after it. If you exposed to the right, it was a good sensor for DR - and that is useful in the learning process.

This was shot at ISO 800, and if I took the time to process it with newer software it would be especially low in noise and sharper (and with better color balance):

Portrait - istD - FA35 at ISO 800

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Gerry Winterbourne Forum Pro • Posts: 19,063
Re: Pentax *ist DSLR

episodic wrote:

I have a chance to pick up a used Pentax *ist DSLR 6.1 megapixel camera. There are about 21,000 shutter clicks the person tells me (a friend, so I tend to trust them). He isn't selling a lens with it, so I would need a lens - for about a hundred bucks. Do these cameras tend to last a while and would this be a good starter DSLR?

As the others have said, $100 without a lens is too much.  Your friend is probably - like most people selling off old gear - honestly expecting a higher price than the item is worth.  If he throws in the kit lens that came with it I'd expect a price of about $80-90; if not, try elsewhere.

On the other hand, if you want to try DSLR photography so you can learn about the techinques involved, I'd say it's a good start for exactly the reasons the others think it poor: because it is so limited by today's standards you need to work a lot harder to get good results so you learn faster.

If, however, you want the improved image quality that DSLRs give without wanting to get deeply into technique it's a bad choice because it is so limited.  Don't get me wrong - there are plenty of people here still using the *ist series and getting good results - but they've had plenty of practice.

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klimbkat Senior Member • Posts: 2,659
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kriztian wrote:It is not really a good camera for starter theese Days. You will only get disapointed when you see how bad it performes conserning iso and dynamic range. You will almost immidiatley buy a newer one. trust me.

Yeah, plus its not very heavy, uses AA batteries, has the CCD sensor that seems to give good rendition, OK jpgs and great RAW, etc., and the market prices them at $100-150 - guess you should avoid it and spend a lot more to get a k5IIs . . .

Namche 2006, ist DL - prints great to 12x18

gaddigad Senior Member • Posts: 1,906
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JNR wrote:

Why would we trust you with no proof? This was shot at ISO 800, and if I took the time to process it with newer software it would be especially low in noise and sharper (and with better color balance):

Portrait - istD - FA35 at ISO 800

Fantastic shots. Which software did you use?

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gaddigad wrote:

Portrait - istD - FA35 at ISO 800

Fantastic shots. Which software did you use?

Thanks much!

Back then I was using Capture One 3 - which was OK, but the noise reduction wasn't very good at all. Most likely I was finishing it off with Picture Window Pro 3, although the lack of ISO info tells me I might have been using something else at the time. Back then I was still working with sRGB so that was limiting factor.

I still like Capture One especially for portraiture, but it doesn't support the K-01 so I am primarily working with LR 3.x, and Picture Window Pro 5 which is a great program for getting pinpoint colors - but with no layers so some folks don't like it (and no Mac platform).

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Overpriced

Anything more than $50 (for the body only) isn't worth your time - it's ancient in terms of digital technology at this point; you could certainly learn the basics, but you'll soon be disapointed with performance and IQ as they are not up to current standards.  Notice that you'll find a poster or two who is very aggressive in telling others how the various model of outdated camera they own is still relevant, etc. etc. ("How dare you say otherwise - I'm so offended!").  This is a reaction of nostalgia and a need to defend what they own or have owned at some point in the past - it's best to avoid these types IMO.

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brandrx Forum Pro • Posts: 28,337
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My first Pentax was the *istDS. I believe it was the last Pentax that had TTL flash capabilities. Birds in flight were possible with care in shooting. Catch-in-focusing was and still is a blast to use for capturing hummingbirds in flight. BTW: The American Avocet in flight images were taken with a Tamron 70-300mm lens that I gave $65 for from KEH. Keep your ISO at or below 800 and you can still make some pretty good images with an *istDS from Pentax IMO.

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henryk1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,236
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What Ron said!

I have a DS as well as a K20D, K-5 and K-01 (gave the K10D to my son last year). I still use the DS for some things, such as going out in Lake Superior in a canoe (because I can afford to lose it). It takes excellent photographs and is the smallest and lightest of the three. Equipped with a 35mm f2.4, it makes a great camera to carry on long hikes when you don't want a heavy weight around your neck. Also I keep it in the glove compartment of my car on long auto trips and leave it there. Buy it!

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dick eduard Senior Member • Posts: 1,562
Hi Ron

Thanks for posting those pics, perfect work imo.

Cheers

Dick

brandrx wrote:

My first Pentax was the *istDS. I believe it was the last Pentax that had TTL flash capabilities. Birds in flight were possible with care in shooting. Catch-in-focusing was and still is a blast to use for capturing hummingbirds in flight. BTW: The American Avocet in flight images were taken with a Tamron 70-300mm lens that I gave $65 for from KEH. Keep your ISO at or below 800 and you can still make some pretty good images with an *istDS from Pentax IMO.

Cheers.

Ron

kriztian Senior Member • Posts: 1,449
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I know exactly what I am talking about. My first digital camera was a 6 megapixel Samsung wich used the same sensor as pentax ist D if I am not wrong. I liked the camera  because it was good   technology at the time. Today however I would not buy one for ten dollars. Especially not a used one. Wy bother with old stuff when you can get a newer body for 100 dollars if you just want to try out photografy.
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And that is fine for you. Just, that isn't where the market is.

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If it is actually an *istD, that was a $1,500 camera at introduction and it had a very high build quality and some higher end features than the later versions - which were marketed as more of an entry level camera (S series mid, L series entry) and were overlapped with the original.

Frankly, this thread has a lot of heat but not a whole lot of light from those with extensive experience with the original camera. For opinion from those who have had a lot of experience with the camera, check out this thread:

*istD: Anyone still using one?

Also, you might want to check prices at KEH, BH, etc. Get a similar return policy (30 days) from your friend if you decide you're interested. Not much to lose, really. The advantage of buying the camera without a lens is that you get to choose your kit from the start. Other than the 18-55 kit lens (or the Sigma version which is especially terrible), you can get started in the right direction with quality glass that will be still worth using if and when you upgrade to a newer body.

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