Wow, the low light deficiencies of the Evolt 5xx line can be remedied with a simple lens

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vjk2 Regular Member • Posts: 231
Wow, the low light deficiencies of the Evolt 5xx line can be remedied with a simple lens

You can find manual focus 50mm nikkor lenses for under $100 on ebay, f1.8 or f2.

Low light with such lens suddenly becomes very good.

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BDTROUT Regular Member • Posts: 250
Re: Wow, the low light deficiencies of the Evolt 5xx line can be remedied with a simple lens

picked up a Nikon 50mm 1.4 a few yrs ago and use it all the time on my e620. Great combo

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Thanks for the tip - I may look into that someday.

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vjk2 wrote:

You can find manual focus 50mm nikkor lenses for under $100 on ebay, f1.8 or f2.

Low light with such lens suddenly becomes very good.

Read some reviews, those old 50mm lenses are just so-so IQ wise wide open. The dz 50 is a much better choice.

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vjk2 OP Regular Member • Posts: 231
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Stacey_K wrote:

vjk2 wrote:

You can find manual focus 50mm nikkor lenses for under $100 on ebay, f1.8 or f2.

Low light with such lens suddenly becomes very good.

Read some reviews, those old 50mm lenses are just so-so IQ wise wide open. The dz 50 is a much better choice.

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Stacey

Yeah, I suspected as much. Still, because this is 4/3rds, negative effects should be reduced, right? I'd expect negative effects from wide apertures to occur at the fringes.

btw, holy cow, a dz 50-200 is $1,199.00 at amazon.com. What sort of recommendation is this?

How to...figure out the models of the lenses? The only one I can find is...L37? Anyways, this combined with a viewfinder upgrade makes for a pretty good refurbishment of the E-series.

viorel Contributing Member • Posts: 939
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for the price, they may be good but don't expect the quality of 50 mm zd. Wide open they suffer of low contrast and less resolution. They were designed for film camera and film was more forgiving than current modern digital sensors/ You need very good (expensive) glass to design lenses for current digital sensors.

I have Nikkor 50 1.8 and Zuiko manual 50 1.8 and tested them on Epl1 (that has weak low pass filter). They start to get ok at 2.8 with good performance at f4 but that's already kit lens territory. The only advantage I see is they are smaller (but not by much with adapter). No one came close to ZD 50 mm not even stopped down at f 5.6. (ZD 50 can be had cheap these days, between 300-400 $)

However if IQ is not that important and just need something to gather enough light, at cheap price, they are ok-ish.

PS. If you can find a Sigma 30 1.4 designed for 4/3 - that's an amazing lens, sharp wide open, and can make a difference. ...less expensive than ZD but not easy to find

Best

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Entropius Veteran Member • Posts: 4,180
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vjk2 wrote:

Stacey_K wrote:

vjk2 wrote:

You can find manual focus 50mm nikkor lenses for under $100 on ebay, f1.8 or f2.

Low light with such lens suddenly becomes very good.

Read some reviews, those old 50mm lenses are just so-so IQ wise wide open. The dz 50 is a much better choice.

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Yeah, I suspected as much. Still, because this is 4/3rds, negative effects should be reduced, right? I'd expect negative effects from wide apertures to occur at the fringes.

btw, holy cow, a dz 50-200 is $1,199.00 at amazon.com. What sort of recommendation is this?

How to...figure out the models of the lenses? The only one I can find is...L37? Anyways, this combined with a viewfinder upgrade makes for a pretty good refurbishment of the E-series.

That's way too high.

You can get a used 50-200 f/2.8-3.5 mk1 for under $500, but I think he was talking about the 50 f/2 ZD lens (used, $350).

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They're not that bad!

Here's a shot from the OM Zuiko 50/1.8, shot wide open on an E-510:

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vjk2 OP Regular Member • Posts: 231
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viorel wrote:

for the price, they may be good but don't expect the quality of 50 mm zd. Wide open they suffer of low contrast and less resolution. They were designed for film camera and film was more forgiving than current modern digital sensors/ You need very good (expensive) glass to design lenses for current digital sensors.

I have Nikkor 50 1.8 and Zuiko manual 50 1.8 and tested them on Epl1 (that has weak low pass filter). They start to get ok at 2.8 with good performance at f4 but that's already kit lens territory. The only advantage I see is they are smaller (but not by much with adapter). No one came close to ZD 50 mm not even stopped down at f 5.6. (ZD 50 can be had cheap these days, between 300-400 $)

However if IQ is not that important and just need something to gather enough light, at cheap price, they are ok-ish.

PS. If you can find a Sigma 30 1.4 designed for 4/3 - that's an amazing lens, sharp wide open, and can make a difference. ...less expensive than ZD but not easy to find

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Hmm. I had suspected that might be the case. Those cheap kit lenses do feel better to use though, and I mean, we live in an era of instagram.

Like, any side by side comparison of what the disparity would look like?

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Nice picture (and nice cat btw:)) but it is the good bokeh that gives the quality in this case. I will try to post some tests soon.

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I was talking about the f2 50mm macro.

And yes these lenses are soft in the center wide open and trying to MF on a 4/3 camera is no fun, esp in low light. The OP sounds good on the surface but in use it doesn't pan out. I tried the OM 50 f1.8 and was disappointed when used wide open. The nikon optics of that vintage aren't much, if any better.

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viorel Contributing Member • Posts: 939
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vjk2 wrote:

Like, any side by side comparison of what the disparity would look like?

I have done some tests some time ago, here they are, the results:

ZD 50 at f2.0

zuiko 50 mm 1.8 at 1.8

Nikkor 50mm 1.8 at 1.8

Don't look too much to the plates, I am not a chef, but they are good for comparison...:)

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vjk2 OP Regular Member • Posts: 231
Re: Wow, the low light deficiencies of the Evolt 5xx line can be remedied with a simple lens

viorel wrote:

vjk2 wrote:

Like, any side by side comparison of what the disparity would look like?

I have done some tests some time ago, here they are, the results:

ZD 50 at f2.0

zuiko 50 mm 1.8 at 1.8

Nikkor 50mm 1.8 at 1.8

Don't look too much to the plates, I am not a chef, but they are good for comparison...:)

Best,

Viorel

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Very interesting, thanks.

It's kind of hard for me to tell the difference due to the difference in exposure. The latter 2 are brighter than the first shot. Unless that's like a constant difference.

It does seem that the zd50 has better bokah.

kieth kiesel Regular Member • Posts: 299
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You just made me hungry :-D.

viorel Contributing Member • Posts: 939
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vjk2 wrote:

viorel wrote:

vjk2 wrote:

Like, any side by side comparison of what the disparity would look like?

Don't look too much to the plates, I am not a chef, but they are good for comparison...:)

It's kind of hard for me to tell the difference due to the difference in exposure. The latter 2 are brighter than the first shot. Unless that's like a constant difference.

It does seem that the zd50 has better bokah.

shots were taken in the same light, at seconds intervals and the same camera parameters, with IS1 on. ISO was on auto but camera calculated different. The zd shot was taken at higher ISO and slower shutter speed, whilst the other at lowest ISO setting. The overall exposure should be however the same, no exposure compensation was applied (and exposure was consitent between manual lenses).

this may be another difference, camera may expose different between manual and zd lenses.

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kieth kiesel wrote:

You just made me hungry :-D.

thanks...not my intention though

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