D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

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Mako2011
Mako2011 MOD Forum Pro • Posts: 20,357
Nice

RudyPohl wrote:

rhlpetrus wrote:

it's hard to go back.

I still recall my excitement when I bought the D80 in mid 2007 and downloaded the CNX trial version that came with it.

Once I started paying with u-point tools I never went back to jpeg shooting. Later I learned about WB control, then HLs and LLs recovery tools became available and RAW became even more relevant.

If you test recovering shadows or HLs with jpegs and raws you will see the difference. WB, of course, is the single most important reason to shoot RAW.

Good luck! (But View NX is just a converter, no actual PPing capabilities like CNX2 or other PP softs).

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Hi Renato:

Yes, I am aware that View NX2 is just a converter, but it'll do just fie until Adobe's DNG Converter supports the NEF files from the D7100.

By the way, I find the RAW files from the D7100 are just fabulous. I applied ZERO sharpening, zero noise reduction, zero brightness, contrast etc, on this image, all I did was lighten the blacks on the head a little to bring out shadow detail and that's it.

Rudy

Nice example. Thanks for sharing. One note. ViewNX2 applies sharpening to the picture based on the camera setting you have set. The "zero" point on the ViewNX2 sharpening slider is actually the in camera setting. Yoy have to use the picture control utility to build a zero sharpening preset or use another convertor.  Good luck and enjoy.

Here is another nice way to do AF-Fine tune if you'd like another option

DotTune

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RudyPohl
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Re: Nice

Mako2011 wrote:

RudyPohl wrote:

rhlpetrus wrote:

it's hard to go back.

I still recall my excitement when I bought the D80 in mid 2007 and downloaded the CNX trial version that came with it.

Once I started paying with u-point tools I never went back to jpeg shooting. Later I learned about WB control, then HLs and LLs recovery tools became available and RAW became even more relevant.

If you test recovering shadows or HLs with jpegs and raws you will see the difference. WB, of course, is the single most important reason to shoot RAW.

Good luck! (But View NX is just a converter, no actual PPing capabilities like CNX2 or other PP softs).

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Good shooting and good luck
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Hi Renato:

Yes, I am aware that View NX2 is just a converter, but it'll do just fie until Adobe's DNG Converter supports the NEF files from the D7100.

By the way, I find the RAW files from the D7100 are just fabulous. I applied ZERO sharpening, zero noise reduction, zero brightness, contrast etc, on this image, all I did was lighten the blacks on the head a little to bring out shadow detail and that's it.

Rudy

Nice example. Thanks for sharing. One note. ViewNX2 applies sharpening to the picture based on the camera setting you have set. The "zero" point on the ViewNX2 sharpening slider is actually the in camera setting. Yoy have to use the picture control utility to build a zero sharpening preset or use another convertor.  Good luck and enjoy.

Here is another nice way to do AF-Fine tune if you'd like another option

DotTune

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Thanks Mako, much appreciated!

Rudy

Whalligeo Regular Member • Posts: 245
Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

twas to nfpotter above not to you

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They said it couldn't be done, so I encouraged my peers not to bother.

nfpotter Veteran Member • Posts: 4,080
Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

Whalligeo wrote:

why?

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They said it couldn't be done, so I encouraged my peers not to bother.

Because it's OK, it's a nice shot, but not superb.  Framing could have been a bit better, for one, which could be solved with a small crop.

Shunda77
Shunda77 Senior Member • Posts: 1,966
Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

Good job Rudy!

Really impressive detail there that could probably even be sharpened just a smidgen more. The ability to crop that picture without loss of detail seems particularly impressive, are you enjoying the D7100?

rntbot Senior Member • Posts: 1,559
Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

Very nice image!  I can never get that close to those quick little critters.  How did you manage to get so close?

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RudyPohl
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Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

Shunda77 wrote:

Good job Rudy!

Really impressive detail there that could probably even be sharpened just a smidgen more. The ability to crop that picture without loss of detail seems particularly impressive, are you enjoying the D7100?

Hi Shunda77:

Thanks for your kind words, and YES I am enjoying this camera beyond my wildest expectations!

Rudy

RudyPohl
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rntbot wrote:

Very nice image!  I can never get that close to those quick little critters.  How did you manage to get so close?

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I use delicious black sunflowers as bait, works every time!!!

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teddoman
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Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

Wow, well shot. I'm amazed at how much resolution and detail there is at 100%. I can barely tell I'm looking at a 100% magnification view.

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Danel Senior Member • Posts: 2,905
Yo Rudy

I don't care about the technique you used to perform the micro focus adjustments because however you did them it seems to have worked.  That's a nice sharp shot you have there.  Good job man.

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liv2paddle Junior Member • Posts: 27
Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

Yo Rudy.. don't mess with fine tune unless you know what you are doing..reset and start over. You obvoiusly do not have the experience to mess with this!

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wildlifr
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Re: Nice
ViewNX2 applies sharpening to the picture based on the camera setting you have set. The "zero" point on the ViewNX2 sharpening slider is actually the in camera setting. Yoy have to use the picture control utility to build a zero sharpening preset or use another convertor. 

It applies the picture settings to RAW files upon opening them in NX2? I didn't know that.

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Mako2011
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yes

wildlifr wrote:

ViewNX2 applies sharpening to the picture based on the camera setting you have set. The "zero" point on the ViewNX2 sharpening slider is actually the in camera setting. Yoy have to use the picture control utility to build a zero sharpening preset or use another convertor. 

It applies the picture settings to RAW files upon opening them in NX2? I didn't know that.

Yes...View/CapNX2 applies all your camera Picture Control settings when you first open the file. I like that as a starting point because I set up my camera with that in mind. It gives you the exact same thing as the JPEG in a RAW + JPG setup without the need for two files. As noted above...sharpening can be a special case and only CaptureNX2 can undo or change your ADL settings. 3rd party programs ignore ADL but that can be a real issue if you use it as it can change the real exposure parameters of ISO, shutter speed, and aperture.

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RyanBoston Senior Member • Posts: 1,150
Re: Once you start,

rhlpetrus wrote:

it's hard to go back.

I still recall my excitement when I bought the D80 in mid 2007 and downloaded the CNX trial version that came with it.

Once I started paying with u-point tools I never went back to jpeg shooting. Later I learned about WB control, then HLs and LLs recovery tools became available and RAW became even more relevant.

If you test recovering shadows or HLs with jpegs and raws you will see the difference. WB, of course, is the single most important reason to shoot RAW.

Good luck! (But View NX is just a converter, no actual PPing capabilities like CNX2 or other PP softs).

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Great post!

You are so right! Back when I first got a D40 and Capture NX2 came out I was hooked on raw and playing with every setting in CNX2. It"s amazing at how correcting white balance and balancing a histogram can take a good picture and make it superb in post processing. I was hooked!

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87350iroc Junior Member • Posts: 43
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nfpotter wrote:

Whalligeo wrote:

why?

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They said it couldn't be done, so I encouraged my peers not to bother.

Because it's OK, it's a nice shot, but not superb.  Framing could have been a bit better, for one, which could be solved with a small crop.

Better for who?

I am guessing Rudy did not take this picture wondering if you would like the framing.

I think the framing is perfect, bird is looking into the picture.

You are not one of these guys that thinks there is only one way to take a picture, are you?

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Whalligeo Regular Member • Posts: 245
Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

nfpotter wrote:

Whalligeo wrote:

why?

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They said it couldn't be done, so I encouraged my peers not to bother.

Because it's OK, it's a nice shot, but not superb.  Framing could have been a bit better, for one, which could be solved with a small crop.

sometimes you have to look at what is not there. over-sharpening, over-processing, that de-noised plastic look. No, its not perfect, but still pleasing to my eye. Also, I think the OP said somewhere the he is new to wildlife pics, so well done I say. Anyway, it is now on my desktop.

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marike6 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,071
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Excellent detail in the feathers, eyes are in focus, good lighting, and nice bokeh.  In other words, a definite keeper.  Nice image.  Those little Chickadees are cute, but the definitely don't sit still for too long.

Good job, awesome camera.  Congrats, Markus

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Bailey151 Senior Member • Posts: 1,139
Re: D7100 - OK, here's my first RAW-shot image (done totally by accident)

nfpotter wrote:

That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  That is NOT the correct way to use AF Fine Tune (IF it's even needed, which most of the time it is not).

You need to do CONTROLLED TESTS, not just random shooting.  Too many variables, your way.  Ask Mako (or others here) for proper procedure, I don't have time to write it out, or search for it.

Yeah well right or wrong given how sharp the image is it would seem he got it nailed.

marike6 wrote:

Excellent detail in the feathers, eyes are in focus, good lighting, and nice bokeh.  In other words, a definite keeper.  Nice image.  Those little Chickadees are cute, but the definitely don't sit still for too long.

Absolutely - they're tiny and in constant motion, not an easy capture by any means.

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