B&W Paris Streets (on music) : Tell me what you think, please.

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RoelHendrickx
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Re: unsettled by form or content?

s_grins wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

s_grins wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

s_grins wrote:

I felt very unsettled.

I suppose you mean that the transitions made you dizzy? You are not the only one...

Or did I misunderstand and does the content upset you?

Your slide show did not make me dizzy, it is unsettling. It makes me ready to sacrifice my life to protect Paris, France, the whole civilization from imminent threat coming from unknown direction.

Please elaborate. I am fascinated and puzzled at the same time.

Or did I miss an implied smiley?

Do my images give you the impression of looking at a civilization on the verge of collapse or disaster? Rome before the Vandals invade it? Or Pompeï before the Vesuvius burst?

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NO SMILES.

Your side show somehow connects my memory to documentary about WWII and occupation of Paris. Perhaps it is a combination of B/W and music. There is something alarming in your masterpiece.

That is an effect that I could not possibly have anticipated.

I see the slideshow as romantic, and there is not a single atom in my mind that made any connection with WWII.

If anything, Paris in B&W creates mental connections with Cartier-Bresson and Doisneau (obviously: without implying that my work is of that level)

So : very strange but also interesting.

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Re: B&W Paris Streets (on music) : Tell me what you think, please.

Sup Mylo wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

I have been looking for a way to make slideshows more controlled and dynamic (and to add music), as an alternative for Zenfolio's standard slideshow feature (Zenfolio slideshows do have the benefit that they show the images in maximum uploaded resolution, depending on the viewer's monitor).

I think I am onto something with new software, and the incredible part is that the software does not run on a computer, but is a smartphone app (Splice for iOS).

I have posted my first attempt at making a musical and dynamic slideshow online.

It is based on a collection of B&W Paris candid images (shot on streets and public places) of which I may have shown some already here. Becasue they were all shot with Olympus E-M5 and a few assorted lenses. Here is just one image of that series:

La Madeleine

The new slideshow is here: http://roelh.zenfolio.com/p1046028174/h5854a698#h5854a6ba

The gallery of full-size (square format) images is here : http://roelh.zenfolio.com/p187119431

(I mention this because the video-format required recutting to 4:3 ratio.)

You would do me a big favour by taking a look at the video-slideshow and giving me your feedback.

Thanks in advance.

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Nice photo's of Paris, but didn't dig the zoom-in-out-in too much, it was too much!

You are not alone with that sentiment.  I went a bit overboard because of initial enthusiasm, I think.

There are those who say (me being one of them) that less is more. The music was also a bit meh.

Another matter of taste.

IMHO the best photo of the lot is number 13, really great picture.

I assume you mean 13 in the gallery?  I don't know the exact positions in the slideshow.

Anyway, despite my critique, I enjoyed the show.

Thanks.

Bon chance!

Sup Mylo

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Re: B&W Paris Streets (on music) : Tell me what you think, please.

Aleo Veuliah wrote:

Liked the pictures, and the music is fine.

Thank you Aleo - glad you did not consider your four minutes wasted.

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Göran

gorred wrote:

Roel.

Interesting. You have made a video containing still pictures. Together with the music this example works fine for me.

That was a bit the idea.

Actually I like showing (and seeing) pictures in a series. Several pictures together tell a story in another way that is possible with only single shots. I often test my pictures by making a slide show, thereby more able to sort out the ones that doesn't do it or not fit in among the others.

I love photo essays more than individual images most of the time.

I liked your Paris shots when you showed them here, and intersting to hear about your lens choices. The pictures are even more good, shown in this format.

Thank you, but you seem to be in a minority about the benefits of the slideshow.

//Göran

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Impossible to separate...
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RoelHendrickx wrote:

s_grins wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

s_grins wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

s_grins wrote:

I felt very unsettled.

I suppose you mean that the transitions made you dizzy? You are not the only one...

Or did I misunderstand and does the content upset you?

Your slide show did not make me dizzy, it is unsettling. It makes me ready to sacrifice my life to protect Paris, France, the whole civilization from imminent threat coming from unknown direction.

Please elaborate. I am fascinated and puzzled at the same time.

Or did I miss an implied smiley?

Do my images give you the impression of looking at a civilization on the verge of collapse or disaster? Rome before the Vandals invade it? Or Pompeï before the Vesuvius burst?

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NO SMILES.

Your side show somehow connects my memory to documentary about WWII and occupation of Paris. Perhaps it is a combination of B/W and music. There is something alarming in your masterpiece.

That is an effect that I could not possibly have anticipated.

I see the slideshow as romantic, and there is not a single atom in my mind that made any connection with WWII.

If anything, Paris in B&W creates mental connections with Cartier-Bresson and Doisneau (obviously: without implying that my work is of that level)

So : very strange but also interesting.

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I agree very much with the comments above by s-grins. And yes, HC-B did come to mind.

Although the content was masterful, it was impossible for me to separate form from content - and in my perception the form was cast by the relentless clock's ticking, the alarm of muffled artillery rolling in the background. Yet time was frozen by the stills, the non-stop panning and zooming only accentuating the fact that for these people there was No Exit.

Alarming, unsettling, disturbing, but at the same time so captivating I was forced to watch it again.

PB

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Pete, thank you for elaborating further... WOW!!
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Pete Berry wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

s_grins wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

s_grins wrote:

RoelHendrickx wrote:

s_grins wrote:

I felt very unsettled.

I suppose you mean that the transitions made you dizzy? You are not the only one...

Or did I misunderstand and does the content upset you?

Your slide show did not make me dizzy, it is unsettling. It makes me ready to sacrifice my life to protect Paris, France, the whole civilization from imminent threat coming from unknown direction.

Please elaborate. I am fascinated and puzzled at the same time.

Or did I miss an implied smiley?

Do my images give you the impression of looking at a civilization on the verge of collapse or disaster? Rome before the Vandals invade it? Or Pompeï before the Vesuvius burst?

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NO SMILES.

Your side show somehow connects my memory to documentary about WWII and occupation of Paris. Perhaps it is a combination of B/W and music. There is something alarming in your masterpiece.

That is an effect that I could not possibly have anticipated.

I see the slideshow as romantic, and there is not a single atom in my mind that made any connection with WWII.

If anything, Paris in B&W creates mental connections with Cartier-Bresson and Doisneau (obviously: without implying that my work is of that level)

So : very strange but also interesting.

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I agree very much with the comments above by s-grins. And yes, HC-B did come to mind.

Although the content was masterful, it was impossible for me to separate form from content - and in my perception the form was cast by the relentless clock's ticking, the alarm of muffled artillery rolling in the background. Yet time was frozen by the stills, the non-stop panning and zooming only accentuating the fact that for these people there was No Exit.

Alarming, unsettling, disturbing, but at the same time so captivating I was forced to watch it again.

PB

Pete, thank you for elaborating further.

I think you made me understand also s-grins' comments better.

And both of you may even have a point.

That is probably because you experienced this slideshow as a whole, and for you a fresh experience, and let the whole create an impression.  And then I can see that the effect of the music combined with the panning-zooming can create uneasiness.

It was hard for me to understand s-grins' comment at first, because I know all of the components of the show so well, and each individually they are about romance, that is was hard for me (as the creator) to see the whole package without dissecting into the elements I am familiar with.

Pfew, that sounds complicated.  I hope I am somewhat clear.

Another way to put it:

* The individual photos are for me street shots that concentrate on moments of intimacy in a big city, under a very bright wintery sun with long shadows. A positive thing.

* The music is a longtime favourite of mine: it is Gainsbourg-esque and it is about the attraction and tension between men and women.  Also a positive thing.

* The slideshow effects are a bit over the top, but were intended to bring dynamism and guide the eye of the viewer.  Not intended to unsettle.

So, for me it was hard to understand how a cocktail of three positives could have an alarming effect on anybody.  But I guess that for a first-time viewer, indeed a different total impression is quite possible.

Take the example of pictures of a clown in thought (positive) and melancholy music (positive).  Combining them could result in a package that suggests sadness.

VERY INTERESTING.   It offers me a totally new perspective.

Thanks!

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Merci beaucoup!

vincent filomena wrote:

Magnifique !

Vjim

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Zensu11
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Re: Merci beaucoup!

Enjoyed it very much. I could almost smell the cigarettes and black coffee, which shows you how long it's been since I was in Paris.

Thanks for sharing.

Bobby

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Re: B&W Paris Streets (on music) : Tell me what you think, please.

Roel,

You are one of a handful of photographers on this forum whose photographs I always enjoy seeing. You didn't disappoint with your Parisian images. Excellent compositions and lighting; you have a great eye and I could do far worse than looking at your photos for inspiration.

As to the zooming, put me in the camp of it being overdone. HOWEVER, I can honestly say that as distracting as the zooming in/out was, it never felt gratuitous because I was always excited to see what detail you would focus in on (when zooming in) or to see the context of the overall image (when zooming out). It sort of felt like a drug because even though I knew I didn't like the zooming, I couldn't stop watching because I was so curious as to what you would reveal.

Maybe be more selective and slow the zooming next time?

Anyway, thanks for showing some great images.

Steve

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You can see full-size images in a slow slideshow if you want.

Olyroo wrote:

Loved the pics and the music but like others the constant zooming and the speed was a bit much.

I'll do a head-count soon to decide which camp wins: the lovers or the haters.

I would like to have seen it full screen and a bit slower then maybe the zoom may have worked for me.

Full screen is possible, even with this slideshow.

If you want to see a slideshow with just transition but no zooming at all, made up of very large images in their original square format, well, that is easy.

Go to this gallery: http://roelh.zenfolio.com/p187119431

Then use the slideshow button (top right) with speed you can choose and a black background.

i can see where you are going with this .......very nice

Thanks.

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Gainsbourg

Zensu11 wrote:

Enjoyed it very much. I could almost smell the cigarettes and black coffee, which shows you how long it's been since I was in Paris.

Get back there soon.

Cigarettes, coffee, absinth and Gainsbourg, of course.

The smells were optional. Max Berlin is like a Gainsbourg update.

Here's how the music is used in Tom Barman's movie "Anyway the wind blows":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUcDzqrKPlU

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for looking.

Bobby

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Re: B&W Paris Streets (on music) : Tell me what you think, please.

bmori wrote:

not really a fan of B/W

Didn't like the music - but it's difficult to please all of the people all of the time!

Fair enough.

Love Paris

thought your slide show was absolutely captivating - nice job - well done

Thanks.

how about doing the same for Brugge

Good idea.

cheers

Bill

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Thank you for an interesting response

Roel,

You are one of a handful of photographers on this forum whose photographs I always enjoy seeing. You didn't disappoint with your Parisian images. Excellent compositions and lighting; you have a great eye and I could do far worse than looking at your photos for inspiration.

thank you very much for your kind words

As to the zooming, put me in the camp of it being overdone.

OK

HOWEVER, I can honestly say that as distracting as the zooming in/out was, it never felt gratuitous because I was always excited to see what detail you would focus in on (when zooming in) or to see the context of the overall image (when zooming out). It sort of felt like a drug because even though I knew I didn't like the zooming, I couldn't stop watching because I was so curious as to what you would reveal.

Hey, that's a nice response: being so captivated.  Cool.

Maybe be more selective and slow the zooming next time?

Yes, that is my plan.

Anyway, thanks for showing some great images.

thank you.

Steve

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