Is the "wow" factor gone from camera upgrading?

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Ultradan Contributing Member • Posts: 600
Is the "wow" factor gone from camera upgrading?
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I think the truth of the matter is that quality is so close across the entire ranges of digital SLR's these days, there is rarely any "wow" factor when people post photo's of their latest and greatest "upgrade", even with the top end models like the 1DX, D4 etc it is rare to see an image posted on here that really makes you think "money well spent". In my opinion this is because all of the great photo's that you see in life - you know the ones you look at and go "whoa", a scene from the front lines of war, nature in all it's glory, whatever, with these photo's it's the subject that really strikes you, be honest you never look at an amazing photo and go "oh that would have been way better on xyz camera do you?

It is my opinion that posting pictures online to show how well the latest eos or nikon looks really does little other than fuel the argument that you would have been better keeping your last camera - at least in 90% of cases, granted low light advances have been much needed and frame rates also for sports.

What are others thoughts on this constant posting of pictures that dont really look any different to 10 year old cameras?

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Biggs23 MOD Veteran Member • Posts: 4,073
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Ultradan wrote:

I think the truth of the matter is that quality is so close across the entire ranges of digital SLR's these days, there is rarely any "wow" factor when people post photo's of their latest and greatest "upgrade",... granted low light advances have been much needed and frame rates also for sports...

I snipped the quote but overall you're completely right, with a few notable exceptions in the specific areas you mention. Low light imagery has come an amazingly far way in the last decade. ISO 6400 is now commonplace and no problem for top end bodies. ISO 104,000 is pretty usable even. Crazytown. Focus accuracy has also advanced leaps and bounds. In other areas not THAT much has changed.

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At web size, they won't look much different. Until you get to huge prints, most DSLR or MILF images will be indistinguishable one from another. Differences will exist at ISO 6400 or higher, but that's a very rare case. Otherwise, the alleged differences in Eye-Cue for various sensors won't stand up to a double-blind test.

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Ultradan OP Contributing Member • Posts: 600
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Les Berkley wrote:

At web size, they won't look much different. Until you get to huge prints, most DSLR or MILF images will be indistinguishable one from another. Differences will exist at ISO 6400 or higher, but that's a very rare case. Otherwise, the alleged differences in Eye-Cue for various sensors won't stand up to a double-blind test.

I think you hit the nail on the head, a 5dmk3 image and a 5dmk1 image would be totally indistinguishable from one another until you get to higher ISO's I suppose?

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Excellent observations.

Martin.au
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Les Berkley wrote:

At web size, they won't look much different. Until you get to huge prints, most DSLR or MILF images will be indistinguishable one from another. Differences will exist at ISO 6400 or higher, but that's a very rare case. Otherwise, the alleged differences in Eye-Cue for various sensors won't stand up to a double-blind test.

I contend they will be very distinguishable from each other. MILC images, however, will be pretty indistinguishable.

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57even Senior Member • Posts: 9,839
Not for me....quite.

Ultradan wrote:

I think the truth of the matter is that quality is so close across the entire ranges of digital SLR's these days, there is rarely any "wow" factor when people post photo's of their latest and greatest "upgrade", even with the top end models like the 1DX, D4 etc it is rare to see an image posted on here that really makes you think "money well spent". In my opinion this is because all of the great photo's that you see in life - you know the ones you look at and go "whoa", a scene from the front lines of war, nature in all it's glory, whatever, with these photo's it's the subject that really strikes you, be honest you never look at an amazing photo and go "oh that would have been way better on xyz camera do you?

It is my opinion that posting pictures online to show how well the latest eos or nikon looks really does little other than fuel the argument that you would have been better keeping your last camera - at least in 90% of cases, granted low light advances have been much needed and frame rates also for sports.

What are others thoughts on this constant posting of pictures that dont really look any different to 10 year old cameras?

Since buying into Fuji's X system I can't wait for the new AF system to appear on their ICL cameras.

But I sure don't plan to invest any more in SLRs. D600 was a let down with it's dusty sensor, and I already have all the kit I need.

In SLR terms, they are all pretty good and upgrading really seems to lose you as much as it gains you a lot of the time.

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Draek
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"Diminishing returns" all over again.

Remember back when even grandma was asking you whether to upgrade to that shiny new 166mhz computer she saw on the newspaper? now even professional software engineers, which are supposed to be the biggest technophiles ever, work on 5-years-old computers which they don't give a single thought on changing.

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Ahender Senior Member • Posts: 1,554
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If you want wow factor, you need to go to naturescapes.com.

johnznyc Regular Member • Posts: 127
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Ahender wrote:

If you want wow factor, you need to go to naturescapes.com.

Very current!

http://www.naturescapes.net/articles/opinions/its-not-about-the-camera/

chooflaki Regular Member • Posts: 397
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I have noticed the Nikon flagship D4 perhaps due to its relatively modest megapixel count gets very little attention these days on this forum in comparison to the previous D3. Not long ago it seemed there were numerous comparisons with its predecessor D3 variations and other cameras and quite a few posters seemed to own one. Not many seem to own one these days. They are all flocking to the D800. Megapixels still rule.

But to the original question. Most modern bayer sensor camera photos do tend to look very similar. It would be near impossible to guess what camera took a particular photo. Photos have become generic. One has to go to quirkier camera manufacturers like Sigma or perhaps Fuji to see some brand signature difference in photos.

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TRIODEROB Senior Member • Posts: 1,722
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If you want WOW go back to film.

look on flikr web pages and see what people do with medium format film these days scanned to digital.

Mike_PEAT Forum Pro • Posts: 12,249
I was certainly excited when I bought the OM-D E-M5!

Problem is the big manufacturers don't innovate, they make every new camera look like the previous one, BORING!

MoreorLess Veteran Member • Posts: 3,978
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Ultradan wrote:

What are others thoughts on this constant posting of pictures that dont really look any different to 10 year old cameras?

Stop posting pictures and start printing them.

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Mjankor wrote:

Les Berkley wrote:

At web size, they won't look much different. Until you get to huge prints, most DSLR or MILF images will be indistinguishable one from another. Differences will exist at ISO 6400 or higher, but that's a very rare case. Otherwise, the alleged differences in Eye-Cue for various sensors won't stand up to a double-blind test.

I contend they will be very distinguishable from each other. MILC images, however, will be pretty indistinguishable.

MILF... Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Format (camera/system).

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tmurph New Member • Posts: 7
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Ultradan wrote:

I think the truth of the matter is that quality is so close across the entire ranges of digital SLR's these days, there is rarely any "wow" factor when people post photo's of their latest and greatest "upgrade", even with the top end models like the 1DX, D4 etc it is rare to see an image posted on here that really makes you think "money well spent". In my opinion this is because all of the great photo's that you see in life - you know the ones you look at and go "whoa", a scene from the front lines of war, nature in all it's glory, whatever, with these photo's it's the subject that really strikes you, be honest you never look at an amazing photo and go "oh that would have been way better on xyz camera do you?

It is my opinion that posting pictures online to show how well the latest eos or nikon looks really does little other than fuel the argument that you would have been better keeping your last camera - at least in 90% of cases, granted low light advances have been much needed and frame rates also for sports.

What are others thoughts on this constant posting of pictures that dont really look any different to 10 year old cameras?

Ultradan, upgrading wont make you a better photographer- I think, reading between the lines, you're already hinting at that- but an upgrade will help if the camera that you are using hasn't got certain facilities. Again though, I think you know that also. So at the end theres only one answer.

Its the individual photographer who can get the best out of the subject he or she sees. Its your end statement that stands out- "What are others thoughts on this constant posting of pictures that dont really look any different to 10 year old cameras?" Ultradan, how can you tell the difference?

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happysnapper64 Senior Member • Posts: 5,335
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My reason for changing my camera was for comfort of use rather than an upgrade of specs. My 600D/T3i was messed up by Canon while in for repair & I ended up getting my money back from the excellent John Lewis store in UK. I decided to go for the larger 7D, as the arthritis in my hands & fingers was making it difficult to use some of the controls on the smaller 600D. That's all there was to it for me. It has made a big difference to my enjoyment of my photography though.

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Ultradan OP Contributing Member • Posts: 600
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"Its the individual photographer who can get the best out of the subject he or she sees. Its your end statement that stands out- "What are others thoughts on this constant posting of pictures that dont really look any different to 10 year old cameras?" Ultradan, how can you tell the difference?"

- I cant, thats my whole point, but there are droves of posts from people putting up mediocre shots and asking what people think only to get upset when anyone points out that they look no different to anything a point and shoot or camera phone takes.

tmurph wrote:

Ultradan wrote:

I think the truth of the matter is that quality is so close across the entire ranges of digital SLR's these days, there is rarely any "wow" factor when people post photo's of their latest and greatest "upgrade", even with the top end models like the 1DX, D4 etc it is rare to see an image posted on here that really makes you think "money well spent". In my opinion this is because all of the great photo's that you see in life - you know the ones you look at and go "whoa", a scene from the front lines of war, nature in all it's glory, whatever, with these photo's it's the subject that really strikes you, be honest you never look at an amazing photo and go "oh that would have been way better on xyz camera do you?

It is my opinion that posting pictures online to show how well the latest eos or nikon looks really does little other than fuel the argument that you would have been better keeping your last camera - at least in 90% of cases, granted low light advances have been much needed and frame rates also for sports.

What are others thoughts on this constant posting of pictures that dont really look any different to 10 year old cameras?

Ultradan, upgrading wont make you a better photographer- I think, reading between the lines, you're already hinting at that- but an upgrade will help if the camera that you are using hasn't got certain facilities. Again though, I think you know that also. So at the end theres only one answer.

Its the individual photographer who can get the best out of the subject he or she sees. Its your end statement that stands out- "What are others thoughts on this constant posting of pictures that dont really look any different to 10 year old cameras?" Ultradan, how can you tell the difference?

Draek
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Probably because that's like asking for a movie review and getting a response of "it looks like anything shown on a LCD screen".

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Pitbullo Contributing Member • Posts: 504
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Completely true!

The wow factor is in the picture, it´s story, not the technical details. And that is a good thing.

The last time I got a wow-moment from technical achievement was just after the 1DX was released. Someone posted pictures (I don´t remember where) from a tennis match, and the camera/autofocus managed to track the ball! Really impressive!!

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