Sony, please make us a CZ 24-105mm/f4

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Simi
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Sony, please make us a CZ 24-105mm/f4

I envy all my colleagues who have the Canon 24-105mm/f4. That would make the perfect walkaround lens for FF... such as the A99.

I have the old Minolta 24-105, which is not bad - but I think (and Canon proves this) - it can be done better. A high quality 24-105 Carl Zeiss lens,  what about that?

Sony, please listen. Who else wants a CZ 24-105?

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Klipsen Veteran Member • Posts: 6,155
Forget about the Canon, look to Nikon

Simi wrote:

I envy all my colleagues who have the Canon 24-105mm/f4. That would make the perfect walkaround lens for FF... such as the A99.

Nikon's 24-120 mm may not have fixed maximum aperture, but the added 15 mm more than make up for that.

I have the old Minolta 24-105, which is not bad - but I think (and Canon proves this) - it can be done better. A high quality 24-105 Carl Zeiss lens, what about that?

That old Minolta is no marvel. I bought it with my Dynax 7D, but when I later bought the 16-80 mm and compared the two on the A700 - well, there was no comparison.

I believe Canon's lens is closer to the Zeiss than to the Minolta, so an "upscaled" Zeiss would be good for Sony. Sigma "downscaled" their full frame 12-24 mm to APS-C and 8-16 mm.

Sony, please listen. Who else wants a CZ 24-105?

I do ... when I buy a Nikon D800 or whatever, but it'll be 24-120 mm

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Simi
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Re: Forget about the Canon, look to Nikon

Good points... Didn't check that Nikon makes a similarly ranged "high-quality" zoom. I don't mind it being 15mm longer

Sony should thus think even more making a 24-105-ish zoom. And right, the 16-80 is exactly that, in APS-C terms.

-Simon

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Martin Muehlemann
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Re: Sony, please make us a CZ 24-105mm/f4
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Simi wrote:

I envy all my colleagues who have the Canon 24-105mm/f4. That would make the perfect walkaround lens for FF... such as the A99.

I have the old Minolta 24-105, which is not bad - but I think (and Canon proves this) - it can be done better. A high quality 24-105 Carl Zeiss lens, what about that?

Sony, please listen. Who else wants a CZ 24-105?

Well, well well

The Ef 24-105L tends to be soft at F4. Usable at f5.6. Canon has not 24-105 that has an acceptable wide open performance.

So my pledge here would be, please Sony create a 24-135 F4 that is usable wide open

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Clayton1985 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,748
Re: Forget about the Canon, look to Nikon

Klipsen wrote:

Simi wrote:

I envy all my colleagues who have the Canon 24-105mm/f4. That would make the perfect walkaround lens for FF... such as the A99.

Nikon's 24-120 mm may not have fixed maximum aperture, but the added 15 mm more than make up for that.

The Nikon 24-120 (current version) is fixed f4 and it is a very good lens.    I would be happy with a Sony 24-105 f4 or 24-120 f4 CZ or G with weather sealing.

tqlla Veteran Member • Posts: 4,595
Re: Forget about the Canon, look to Nikon
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The 28-105mm is a great walkaround lens on Full Frame Sony's.

IMO, sony would be better off making that lens again with SSM.

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Shield3 Senior Member • Posts: 2,440
Re: Sony, please make us a CZ 24-105mm/f4

Martin Muehlemann wrote:

Simi wrote:

I envy all my colleagues who have the Canon 24-105mm/f4. That would make the perfect walkaround lens for FF... such as the A99.

I have the old Minolta 24-105, which is not bad - but I think (and Canon proves this) - it can be done better. A high quality 24-105 Carl Zeiss lens, what about that?

Sony, please listen. Who else wants a CZ 24-105?

Well, well well

The Ef 24-105L tends to be soft at F4. Usable at f5.6. Canon has not 24-105 that has an acceptable wide open performance.

So my pledge here would be, please Sony create a 24-135 F4 that is usable wide open

Cheers

Martin

My 24-105L Canon is plenty sharp wide open.  Has IS, built well and smooth zoom and focus rings.  Don't know where you heard this, but oh well.

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Rumors on it have been floating around for years

Since Sony discontinued their Minolta-rebadged 24-105 which was not bad but highly sample-variable, imho. I had one which was ok and another one with so much decentering that it was unusable.

Martin Muehlemann
Martin Muehlemann Senior Member • Posts: 1,281
Re: Sony, please make us a CZ 24-105mm/f4

Shield3 wrote:

My 24-105L Canon is plenty sharp wide open. Has IS, built well and smooth zoom and focus rings. Don't know where you heard this, but oh well.

Not close to what the new 24-70L F4 IS delivers or even the 24-70L 2.8 Mk2

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Shield3 Senior Member • Posts: 2,440
Re: Sony, please make us a CZ 24-105mm/f4

Martin Muehlemann wrote:

Shield3 wrote:

My 24-105L Canon is plenty sharp wide open. Has IS, built well and smooth zoom and focus rings. Don't know where you heard this, but oh well.

Not close to what the new 24-70L F4 IS delivers or even the 24-70L 2.8 Mk2

I picked up the 24-105 barely used for $775.  The 24-70 F/4 is $1500.  People who have reviewed the new lens say it's "slightly better".  Would rather have the 70-105 range and 1/2 the money in my back pocket.

Any comparison of a F/2.8 lens is nonsensical.

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Clyde Thomas Senior Member • Posts: 1,198
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For you street/landscaper togs, I'd imagine a 24-105/4 would be a nice option.  But as a portraitist, that lens would have a hard time getting me away from one of my old favorites... Tamron 35-105/2.8 SP... the original.  It works so beautifully on a700 with effective 50-150/2.8 as a portrait lens.  Pick one up for around $200... if and when you can find one.  They often need rebuilding, but it's easy to do.  I just rebuilt mine, tightening the zoom ring, re-lubricating the focus helicoid, and even put a tape shim inside the zoom barrel to correct the wobble from the heavy front element.  A really lovely lens, combined with the original SP70-210/2.8 and 20-40/2.8, makes a fabulous tag team of high quality all metal guns.

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Clyde Thomas Senior Member • Posts: 1,198
Happy with the old Mino

What about the Mino 28-135? Find a good copy that walks all over the Canon... for 1/4th the price, enough for a few low light primes to spare.  We Alpha users have it real good like that... lots of high caliber options.

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Re: Happy with the old Tammy

That's an interesting suggestion, the Tammy 35-105.

I was not aware of that lens! I had the Minolta 28-135 and others, but none was really convincing overall, so I ended up with the 18-250 as my "single-lens-setup" aka travel zoom at times when I had the A77.

Now, with the A99, the search starts again. This is why I came to the 24-105... but, right, in fact, it would be better with 24-135mm. I know that I will mostly shoot at the ends (24 or 135mm), but want to avoid swapping lenses, so the zoom...

Will check if I find a Tammy on ebay.

So, Sony, revision of my request. Make a 24-135 f/3.5 please (well, or 2.8 if you can :-D). Carl Zeiss level, please.

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Minolta 28-135

Simi wrote:

I had the Minolta 28-135 and others, but none was really convincing overall, so I ended up with the 18-250 as my "single-lens-setup" aka travel zoom at times when I had the A77.

I agree that the Minolta 28-135 is not convincing on APS-C, at least for me and obviously for you also. But this lens is amazing on my FF Sony a850 as an outdoors walk around and is extremely sharp across the entire frame. On the other hand I find its MFD limits it to outside shooting where we can usually step back. Indoors, I find it much too constricting. On APS-C I used my Sony 18-250 everywhere if I had no idea what I would be snapping but, while it’s a great super-zoom, it isn’t remotely in the same league as the 28-135. These two lenses really shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence but I’ve just committed that sin:) If I remember correctly the 18-250 got a tad soft approaching 200mm and greater and demanded being stopped down. The 28-135 is sharp throughout its entire range even wide open. Stopped down a click, it is jaw dropping. Some lenses are just dependable for getting the job done and this is one of those rare pieces of glass.

That is not to say that it is not without its faults even excluding the poor MFD. It is not a modern lens and lacks of state of the art coatings.  Thus it allows more flair and its micro contrast is inferior to say the best CZs. However, I find that careful ‘sharpening’ can emulate most of that. It has VERY minimal lateral CA…actually better than most modern lenses and certainly most modern zooms. Its biggest bug-a-boo is axial CA in extremely high contrast situations where the objects are very delicate like twigs against the sky. The latest ACR can remove most of that if not all. For me, it is objectionable and evident in only a handful of shots in the last 10 thousand. My long-winded point here is that you should give the 28-135 another chance on FF unless the SLT adds some, unknown to me, deadly complication. I find the old Minolta 28-135 overall a great lens and able to compete well against any zoom. ALL lenses are compromises so obviously this is a very personal and subjective observation on my part. I bought this lens thinking it couldn’t possibly strand up to its legendary hype… but to me it has.

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Re: Happy with the old Tammy

Bought the Tammy 35-105/2.8 on ebay for 280EUR (says condition "excellent"). Let's see how it performs on the A99.

-Simon

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topstuff Senior Member • Posts: 1,209
24-105 Minolta better than I expected it would be...

I pulled the trigger on a "new - old stock" example of this lens I stumbled across on the Bay...

It arrived a couple of weeks ago.

I am pleasantly surprised.  It did not cost much, a fraction of the price of the Canon L24-105 - which is a lens I am quite familiar with.

Here's the thing, maybe I did'nt have a great copy of the Canon back in the day, who knows, but I swear that the Minolta is not disgraced.

The Minolta is a nice lens.  It is very small , much smaller than I expected on the A99.  It's nicely made and I am happy with it.  I like the way it renders. From about 4.5 it seems plenty sharp to me.  Wide open, centre sharpness is pretty good, which is what really matters to me.

Maybe I got a good example, who knows,  but for the money I am a happy man.  

RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 28,541
Re: Forget about the Canon, look to Nikon

Klipsen wrote:

Simi wrote:

I envy all my colleagues who have the Canon 24-105mm/f4. That would make the perfect walkaround lens for FF... such as the A99.

Nikon's 24-120 mm may not have fixed maximum aperture, but the added 15 mm more than make up for that.

Nikon makes a 24-120 f/4 lens.  Constant aperture.

kvken Regular Member • Posts: 244
Re: Happy with the old Tammy

Give us an update when you get. I would love a good lens in this range.

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Klipsen Veteran Member • Posts: 6,155
Now they do, but ...

RedFox88 wrote:

Klipsen wrote:

Simi wrote:

I envy all my colleagues who have the Canon 24-105mm/f4. That would make the perfect walkaround lens for FF... such as the A99.

Nikon's 24-120 mm may not have fixed maximum aperture, but the added 15 mm more than make up for that.

Nikon makes a 24-120 f/4 lens. Constant aperture.

... it used to be they made a 3.5-5.6 version - forgive me for not being up to date on Nikon lenses

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product-Archive/Camera-Lenses/2145/AF-S-VR-Zoom-NIKKOR-24-120mm-f%252F3.5-5.6G-IF-ED.html

All the more reason to look to Nikon.

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