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jonrobertp Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
70D fans ...

So much talk about the 7DII...which is half a year away or more, while the 70D is scheduled for next month .

So lets talk about the new 70D instead !!   ...a camera to successfully compete with the D7100.

1. Take the 7D af and refine it a bit. Even add a few more sensors. Easy to beat the AF of the 7100 since it only has 15 cross sensors all in one bunch in the middle.  The single ones...always weaker.

2. Size it close to the 60D.  Smallish is more discrete.

3. Native iso 12800...and make it a bit better than any crop sensor out right now.  They can do it, if they want to.  This detail will sell more bodies...worth the extra coin. It can be done.

5.  Keep the price under 1500....even if it means only about 7 fps, no swivel, and no gimmics.  Just fine high IQ performance.

Your interests may vary...of course....but many of us don't need the 10fps and higher price...and would really like a new body for spring & summer...vs waiting until summer is over.  Right ?  yeah !

I predict...Canon will announce before mid March. 

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rwl408 Senior Member • Posts: 1,559
Re: 70D fans ...

jonrobertp wrote:

So much talk about the 7DII...which is half a year away or more, while the 70D is scheduled for next month .

So lets talk about the new 70D instead !! ...a camera to successfully compete with the D7100.

1. Take the 7D af and refine it a bit. Even add a few more sensors. Easy to beat the AF of the 7100 since it only has 15 cross sensors all in one bunch in the middle. The single ones...always weaker.

2. Size it close to the 60D. Smallish is more discrete.

Size doesn't matter for this kind of product lines.

3. Native iso 12800...and make it a bit better than any crop sensor out right now. They can do it, if they want to. This detail will sell more bodies...worth the extra coin. It can be done.

5. Keep the price under 1500....even if it means only about 7 fps, no swivel, and no gimmics. Just fine high IQ performance.

Canon most likely prices it $100 below D7100 similar to 60D/D7000.

Your interests may vary...of course....but many of us don't need the 10fps and higher price...and would really like a new body for spring & summer...vs waiting until summer is over. Right ? yeah !

For me, 70D needs to have two-axis electronic levels to be interested. I don't care about WIFI and GPS, which could be given though.

I predict...Canon will announce before mid March.

jonrobertp OP Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
Re: 70D fans ...

Levels...yes, I'm getting used to those...and R useful.

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x-vision Senior Member • Posts: 1,196
Re: 70D fans ...

jonrobertp wrote:

So lets talk about the new 70D instead !! ...a camera to successfully compete with the D7100.

You wish

And I do too ... but I doubt it.

Eigth months ago, I also thought that the 70D would get better specs and that it would regain the flagship status in the 1.6x lineup - while the 7D would just get discontinued.
And also that any model above $1500 would be FF.

This is the sensible thing to do in 2013 - and Nikon is doing just that with the D7100 and D600.

Given the very lame specs of the 6D, though, I'm now expecting a very lame 70D.

This p*ssed me off big time, as I'm really envious of what the Nikon guys just got ... for $1200

jonrobertp OP Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
Re: 70D fans ...

Well, if the 70D is a dud like the 60D sorta was, guess I'l have to go for the Nik or wait for the 7DII.

I'm still optimistic about the 70.   And that's a bit rare, me being optimistic about such. lol.

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rwl408 Senior Member • Posts: 1,559
Re: 70D fans ...

Indispensable for landscape users, especially not on a tripod. I laughed when found out that 60D only has horizontal level. Who in the world cares about level doesn't shoot vertically? Some idiot marketing decision. I hope 70D doesn't give me another laugh.

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Intros64 Forum Member • Posts: 55
Re: 70D fans ...

I'm most interested if the supposed 70D will have a new generation of Canon sensor tech with better DR, since I do most landscape and travel photo. Some up to date 40D/50D spec will be OK . If 70D sensor will have the same level of performance as 60D and just more resolution I will skip and continue with my 40D and wait for a 6D decrease in price or wait for the next turn...

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jrkliny Veteran Member • Posts: 3,550
Re: 70D fans ...

I am really happy with my Canon cropped sensor lenses: 10-22, 15-85, 60 macro, 55-250.  I especially like the 55-250 since it has surprisingly good IQ and I hate lugging my 100-400L.  Although I really like these lenses, I wish I didn't own any of them.  If I could easily start over I might consider FF (that would be a Nikon D800) but I would probably stay with APS-C.  Without the Canon lenses, I would certainly consider the Nikon 7100.  It sounds about perfect.

I, like many others, cannot understand what is going wrong with Canon.  By now I would have expected new FF sensors in the 40 mpix range and cropped sensors at least at 24 mpix.  I am primarily a landscaper so lots of megapixels and the ability to print really big is very important.  Landscapes - and in fact almost any image - just come alive when printed big.  Large prints are really not very expensive and decent sized prints can be done at home with something like the Epson 3880.

Canon, wake up.  You are starting to lose long-term, serious photographers.

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David Naylor
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Re: 70D fans ...

jrkliny wrote:

I am really happy with my Canon cropped sensor lenses: 10-22, 15-85, 60 macro, 55-250. I especially like the 55-250 since it has surprisingly good IQ and I hate lugging my 100-400L. Although I really like these lenses, I wish I didn't own any of them. If I could easily start over I might consider FF (that would be a Nikon D800) but I would probably stay with APS-C. Without the Canon lenses, I would certainly consider the Nikon 7100. It sounds about perfect.

I, like many others, cannot understand what is going wrong with Canon. By now I would have expected new FF sensors in the 40 mpix range and cropped sensors at least at 24 mpix. I am primarily a landscaper so lots of megapixels and the ability to print really big is very important. Landscapes - and in fact almost any image - just come alive when printed big. Large prints are really not very expensive and decent sized prints can be done at home with something like the Epson 3880.

Canon, wake up. You are starting to lose long-term, serious photographers.

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Jim, AKA camperjim, formerly from liny, Long Island New York

I'm in the same boat. Got several really good APS-C lenses for my 7D. I have invested in them while counting on Canon to keep improving their APS-C sensors. After god knows how many cameras with the same 18 MP sensor (five?) I'm beginning to lose faith.

Granted, I don't have any immediate need to upgrade, so Canon may still have time to shape up before I jump ship.

The problem for Canon is that if/when I decide to go FF, I could just a well switch to Nikon since I have only one lens that works on Canon FF (50 f/1.4).

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D Parsons Junior Member • Posts: 42
Re: 70D fans ...
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jonrobertp wrote:

So much talk about the 7DII...which is half a year away or more, while the 70D is scheduled for next month .

So lets talk about the new 70D instead !! ...a camera to successfully compete with the D7100.

1. Take the 7D af and refine it a bit. Even add a few more sensors. Easy to beat the AF of the 7100 since it only has 15 cross sensors all in one bunch in the middle. The single ones...always weaker.

Sounds good.

2. Size it close to the 60D. Smallish is more discrete.

No. I'm for the bigger size of the 40/50D.

3. Native iso 12800...and make it a bit better than any crop sensor out right now. They can do it, if they want to. This detail will sell more bodies...worth the extra coin. It can be done.

I rarely shoot above 400 but would like good perf up to 1600.

5. Keep the price under 1500....even if it means only about 7 fps, no swivel, and no gimmics. Just fine high IQ performance.

I'd be fine with 7fps. Price needs to be under $1500, most likely $1200 to compete with Nikon.

Your interests may vary...of course....but many of us don't need the 10fps and higher price...and would really like a new body for spring & summer...vs waiting until summer is over. Right ? yeah !

I predict...Canon will announce before mid March.

I need a new camera. My 40D passed away last November. I have a bunch of Canon lenses and would rather not switch systems at this point. Nothing Canon has currently excites me. Nikon has introduced something like 4 new cameras in the past two years....Canon? One-the 6D. (I'm not counting the 5dIII-too expensive for me.)

I'm looking for, in no order of preference, 2 levels, better iso perf, 7 fps, better autofocus with more focus points.

If Canon drops the ball on this, which I expect them to do, I'll probably get an OM-d and a couple of lenses til Canon sees the light.

rwl408 Senior Member • Posts: 1,559
Re: 70D fans ...

D Parsons wrote:

If Canon drops the ball on this, which I expect them to do, I'll probably get an OM-d and a couple of lenses til Canon sees the light.

I think D7000 is another option unless size is important. I would have chosen OVF over EVF though.

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jonrobertp OP Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
Re: 70D fans ...

If the 70 delivers the AF from the 7D...it'l be a hit.  And outclass the 7100.  But NOT with 9 only.

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mailman88 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,628
Re: I just killed my 50D...

....so I'm watching too! But I can get a used 50D for 499.00 at B&H. I also have plenty of batteries and CF cards too..

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mailman88 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,628
Re: 70D fans ...better have auto-focus adjustment!

.....if not, the 70D is dead in the water!

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mailman88 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,628
Re: 70D fans ...

....what will be the 70D's megapixel sensor? Over or under 24mp...

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jonrobertp OP Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
Re: 70D fans ...

mailman88 wrote:

....what will be the 70D's megapixel sensor? Over or under 24mp...

yeah, we need a new sensor ...it's time.   About 20-22 ish.  my guess.

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Re: 70D fans ...

jonrobertp wrote:

So much talk about the 7DII...which is half a year away or more, while the 70D is scheduled for next month .

So lets talk about the new 70D instead !! ...a camera to successfully compete with the D7100.

1. Take the 7D af and refine it a bit. Even add a few more sensors. Easy to beat the AF of the 7100 since it only has 15 cross sensors all in one bunch in the middle. The single ones...always weaker.

2. Size it close to the 60D. Smallish is more discrete.

3. Native iso 12800...and make it a bit better than any crop sensor out right now. They can do it, if they want to. This detail will sell more bodies...worth the extra coin. It can be done.

5. Keep the price under 1500....even if it means only about 7 fps, no swivel, and no gimmics. Just fine high IQ performance.

Your interests may vary...of course....but many of us don't need the 10fps and higher price...and would really like a new body for spring & summer...vs waiting until summer is over. Right ? yeah !

I predict...Canon will announce before mid March.

Frankly I'm glad that I wasn't banned again and can add my 2 cents again. The 7D is a such a well built camera that needs only software upgrading and it is so fast that its nuts at 8fps.

This photo was taken today of a wild turkey basically starving looking for anything to eat.

It was taken through a double-glazed window. A jpeg 500mms in A/V and processed in Adobe Raw and CS3. I use H shooting setting and can use that great shutter button to take only one if needed too.

Only a mother could love this face...

Ubilam.

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JRFlorendo Forum Member • Posts: 69
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jonrobertp wrote:

If the 70 delivers the AF from the 7D...it'l be a hit. And outclass the 7100. But NOT with 9 only.

7D has more x-type AF pts than D7100, it is also spread the broadest(horizontal & vertical) among eos bodies(including 1DX) with a DUAL x-type sensor in the center. Right now, 60D beats D7100 in 15 raw buffer capacity at 14bit full resolution. All Canon needs to do in 70D's AF is refine 7D's AF; add AF sensitivity adjustment, add accel/decel adjustment, make sure the center dual x-type sensitive to -3 EV and support AF at F8. HOWEVER, I think Canon will use 6D's AF system in 70D, which will be an EPIC failure IMHO.

Canon should add these features that are already implemented in various eos bodies;

1. Quiet mode in variable frame rates.

2. Copy crop mode of D7100 in 1.2X.

3. Wifi & GPS.

4. Dual CF or SD cards would be nice, a single CF is ok, just make sure the raw buffer does not get JAM at 6th frame.

5. Like 50D, unibody alloy magnesium exterior shell, wheel/joy stick would be nice.

ammac12 Regular Member • Posts: 231
Re: 70D fans ...
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jonrobertp wrote:

So much talk about the 7DII...which is half a year away or more, while the 70D is scheduled for next month .

So lets talk about the new 70D instead !! ...a camera to successfully compete with the D7100.

1. Take the 7D af and refine it a bit. Even add a few more sensors. Easy to beat the AF of the 7100 since it only has 15 cross sensors all in one bunch in the middle. The single ones...always weaker.

2. Size it close to the 60D. Smallish is more discrete.

3. Native iso 12800...and make it a bit better than any crop sensor out right now. They can do it, if they want to. This detail will sell more bodies...worth the extra coin. It can be done.

5. Keep the price under 1500....even if it means only about 7 fps, no swivel, and no gimmics. Just fine high IQ performance.

Your interests may vary...of course....but many of us don't need the 10fps and higher price...and would really like a new body for spring & summer...vs waiting until summer is over. Right ? yeah !

I predict...Canon will announce before mid March.

I'm with you on the wait for a 70D!  I'm considering a 7D, but am turned off by the weight compared to the 60D.  I hope that Canon will continue to offer a larger body, crop sensor camera at a competitive price point like Nikon's 7100.  I would like to see a 70D body priced no more than $1200.

As for specs, the Digic 5 sensor is what's out there and two are rumored to be going in the 7DmkII.  If Canon can fit 24 mp's for the mkII, why not put one in a 70D?  I like the idea of borrowing the 7D's AF system, but would think something between the mkII and current 7D is doable.  I'll take  7 fps all day and be happy.  No swivel, no bluetooth, and no wifi is fine by me.  A little more weather sealing than the 60D and autofocus in video mode would be nice.  Increase the IQ and NR at high ISO and the camera is a no brainer for me.  I hope Canon is listening!

Are we there yet?

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