nikon D7100 - how will Canon respond?

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David_C Contributing Member • Posts: 931
nikon D7100 - how will Canon respond?

Nikon D7100

24.1 MP

1.5 crop DX with 1.3 crop option for an an effective 2.0 crop (1.5 x 1.3) (this is very cool for sports and wild life photographers, makes a 400 f/4 a 800mm f/4, no loss of light)

6 FPS (7FPS at 2.0 crop)

2 SD card slots

51 AF points (15 are cross type) (at 2.0 crop area is filled with AF points)

AF at f/8

100% VF

Shutter speed 1/8000

Flash sync 1/250 (also 1/320 for you flash junkies)

For you video supporters:

1080 / 60i (finally)

$1200 US

Available end of March 2013.

So what will Canon bring...but the 7D is already at $1200, maybe Canon has already answered.

Canon EOS 7D Nikon D7100
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Nick Carrigan Regular Member • Posts: 349
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Canon will respond slowly and lethargically as they usually do... hopefully the 7DMk2 will be worth the wait... although probably not worth its new price tag.  

This seems like a pretty good timeline: http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/02/2013-predictions-for-canon-eos-products/

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JRFlorendo Forum Member • Posts: 77
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David_C wrote:

Nikon D7100

Canon 7D

24.1 MP

18.0 MP

1.5 crop DX with 1.3 crop option for an an effective 2.0 crop (1.5 x 1.3) (this is very cool for sports and wild life photographers, makes a 400 f/4 a 800mm f/4, no loss of light)

1.6 crop, SRaw and MRaw or crop in post

6 FPS (7FPS at 2.0 crop)

8 FPS at FULL resolution W/H 25 Raw Buffer vs 8 Nef

2 SD card slots

1 CF card slot

51 AF points (15 are cross type) (at 2.0 crop area is filled with AF points)

19 AF points (19 pts. are all cross type) firmware update was issued to improve AF performance

AF at f/8

AF at f/8 also

100% VF

100% VF also

Shutter speed 1/8000

Shutter speed 1/8000 also

Flash sync 1/250 (also 1/320 for you flash junkies)

Flash sync 1/250 also

For you video supporters:

1080 / 60i (finally)

1080 30/25/24

$1200 US

$1440 US

Available end of March 2013.

Available for +3 years

So what will Canon bring...but the 7D is already at $1200, maybe Canon has already answered.

Since its inception at B&H

D300s (772 Sold)

D7000 (1018 Sold)

7D (1922 Sold)

Seems like the OLD 7D is comfortably out selling both Nikon bodies with higher profit margin, maybe drop the price to match D7100. At any rate, the rumored 7DII specs should be a TKO for sure, if it is price right(below 2K).

(unknown member) Veteran Member • Posts: 3,849
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JRFlorendo wrote:

David_C wrote:

Nikon D7100

Canon 7D

AF at f/8

AF at f/8 also

If only! The 7D might AF at f/8 in some (extreme) cases, but it is not something the 7D is supposed to do. But I would love to hear someone tell me their 400/5.6L works normally with a 1.4x TC!

Damoo Senior Member • Posts: 1,101
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D800 had the left focus issue. D600 had the oil spilling issue. Let us wait to see what D7100 has.

Hope its devoid of all quality issues. Its painful to spend so much money & end up facing such quality issues.

Canon will be slow. Perhaps the model that Canon brings might lack few features. But going by what 5D Mark III and 6D delivered, the new model might deliver stunning results. The 6D was criticized so much initially but once the real life images came out, the image quality & low ISO capabilities put many of the criticisms behind.

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70D

David_C wrote:

Nikon D7100

24.1 MP

1.5 crop DX with 1.3 crop option for an an effective 2.0 crop (1.5 x 1.3) (this is very cool for sports and wild life photographers, makes a 400 f/4 a 800mm f/4, no loss of light)

6 FPS (7FPS at 2.0 crop)

2 SD card slots

51 AF points (15 are cross type) (at 2.0 crop area is filled with AF points)

AF at f/8

100% VF

Shutter speed 1/8000

Flash sync 1/250 (also 1/320 for you flash junkies)

For you video supporters:

1080 / 60i (finally)

$1200 US

Available end of March 2013.

So what will Canon bring...but the 7D is already at $1200, maybe Canon has already answered.

I would expect Canon to compete with a 70D, especially (hopefully!) if the rumors of a price and feature increase of the 7DmkII are true. I think it makes sense to get the xxD line back to the quality of the 40D/50D and push the 7D line up a notch. The 7D has been good, but can use an overall upgrade to a slightly higher segment. Nikon might do well to release a D400 (which they should have done years ago) and have a similar line-up.

ajy Regular Member • Posts: 251
Re: nikon D7100 - how will Canon respond?

JRFlorendo wrote:

Since its inception at B&H

D300s (772 Sold)

D7000 (1018 Sold)

7D (1922 Sold)

Seems like the OLD 7D is comfortably out selling both Nikon bodies with higher profit margin, maybe drop the price to match D7100. At any rate, the rumored 7DII specs should be a TKO for sure, if it is price right(below 2K).

Are these sales figures actually on the B&H website?  Haven't seen them before, though maybe I'm not looking in the right place.

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ZAnton Contributing Member • Posts: 592
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David_C wrote:

$1200 US

Available end of March 2013.

So what will Canon bring...but the 7D is already at $1200, maybe Canon has already answered.

I think 7Dmk2 will have very similar features, but much worse DR, a bit worse ISO, and price of $2100 - as 6D on release.

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roustabout66 Contributing Member • Posts: 711
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I hope Canon responds by maintaining their high level of quality control and customer service. Nikon announced they will NOT sell parts to independent repair shops so you have no choice but send it to Nikon and accept their pricing and timetable for repair. Roger at Lensrentals said that last year Nikon repairs took 3 times as long to get back and cost twice as much as Canon repairs. As attractive as Nikon's latest cameras look (except for the QC issues) I will not buy from a company that locks me into their own repair centers and puts me at their mercy for charges and repairs with no option to go elsewhere.

Mr Ed M Contributing Member • Posts: 508
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David_C wrote:

Nikon D7100

24.1 MP

1.5 crop DX with 1.3 crop option for an an effective 2.0 crop (1.5 x 1.3) (this is very cool for sports and wild life photographers, makes a 400 f/4 a 800mm f/4, no loss of light)

6 FPS (7FPS at 2.0 crop)

2 SD card slots

51 AF points (15 are cross type) (at 2.0 crop area is filled with AF points)

AF at f/8

100% VF

Shutter speed 1/8000

Flash sync 1/250 (also 1/320 for you flash junkies)

For you video supporters:

1080 / 60i (finally)

$1200 US

Available end of March 2013.

So what will Canon bring...but the 7D is already at $1200, maybe Canon has already answered.

Yawn

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marike6 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,088
Re: nikon D7100 - how will Canon respond?

JRFlorendo wrote:

David_C wrote:

Nikon D7100

Canon 7D

24.1 MP

18.0 MP

1.5 crop DX with 1.3 crop option for an an effective 2.0 crop (1.5 x 1.3) (this is very cool for sports and wild life photographers, makes a 400 f/4 a 800mm f/4, no loss of light)

1.6 crop, SRaw and MRaw or crop in post

6 FPS (7FPS at 2.0 crop)

8 FPS at FULL resolution W/H 25 Raw Buffer vs 8 Nef

2 SD card slots

1 CF card slot

51 AF points (15 are cross type) (at 2.0 crop area is filled with AF points)

19 AF points (19 pts. are all cross type) firmware update was issued to improve AF performance

AF at f/8

AF at f/8 also

100% VF

100% VF also

Shutter speed 1/8000

Shutter speed 1/8000 also

Flash sync 1/250 (also 1/320 for you flash junkies)

Flash sync 1/250 also

For you video supporters:

1080 / 60i (finally)

1080 30/25/24

$1200 US

$1440 US

Available end of March 2013.

Available for +3 years

So what will Canon bring...but the 7D is already at $1200, maybe Canon has already answered.

Since its inception at B&H

D300s (772 Sold)

D7000 (1018 Sold)

7D (1922 Sold)

Seems like the OLD 7D is comfortably out selling both Nikon bodies with higher profit margin, maybe drop the price to match D7100. At any rate, the rumored 7DII specs should be a TKO for sure, if it is price right(below 2K).

The D7000 and 7D released at different price points and positions in their respective line-ups, but good comparison nonetheless.  You didn't mention anything about IQ with 7D vs D7000.  Isn't IQ crucial to any comparison?

The way I see it:

  • 7D is a far better sports/action shooter that also has a huge following in HDSLR video circles, kind of a baby 5D MkII re: video.  D7000 has decent video quality, but is limited in frame rates, and aperture control. 
  • D7000 (along with the K5) were APS-C class leaders for IQ when they were released.  The D7100 has the potential to pick up where the D7000 left off. 

All that said, I wouldn't ever count Canon out or think they will be slow to respond as some are suggesting here and in the D7100 announcement comments.  This is the calm before the storm that will come with Canon unleashing two fully loaded, high specification cameras in the form of the 70D and 7D II.  It's going to be interesting.

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Searching Veteran Member • Posts: 3,847
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Canon is really taking a back seat these days, stuck with them due to lenses bought, I would have never thought they would fall behind rather that being a leader that they were.  Nikon just keeps getting better and cheaper, this camera is loaded with features.

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Howard Senior Member • Posts: 1,885
Re: and all for $1200 wish I had picked Nikon as my first DSLR
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I hear what you are saying. At one time Canon was the king of the hill, and very innovative -- first to give us affordable FF DSLR (5D "classic"), and very competitive lineup from entry-level Rebels to capable and affordable "advanced amateur" 7D, to top-of-the-line pro bodies.

But in recent years Canon has been in a slumber. If I can pinpoint a time, I think it started when they Rebel-ized the 60D. Since then their focus has been more on milking existing customer base and not innovations. Good thing we have other manufacturers such as Nikon to keep the field competitive! I hope this is a wake-up call to Canon.

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Stepanfo Senior Member • Posts: 1,277
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Mr Ed M wrote:

Yawn

Sleepy? Why dont you go to bed, little boy?

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The grass is always greener
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Searching wrote:

Canon is really taking a back seat these days, stuck with them due to lenses bought, I would have never thought they would fall behind rather that being a leader that they were. Nikon just keeps getting better and cheaper, this camera is loaded with features.

It depends on how you look at it. When I wanted to replace my D80, I switched to Canon because Nikon came out with a D300s when Canon came up with the 7D. Now I'm happy I did because Nikon still hasn't come up with a D400 and the D7100 isn't the same.

To be honest, the 7D is still a one-of-a-kind camera. No D400 means no reason for Canon to rush a 7DmkII. I certainly wouldn't trade my 7D for a D7100, irrelevant of lenses.

Howard
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Apparently Canon is sound asleep too.

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Stepanfo Senior Member • Posts: 1,277
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Wyville wrote:

... Nikon still hasn't come up with a D400 and the D7100 isn't the same.
The grass is always greener

D7100 is an amauteur-enthusiast camera. D400 will come with the new AF module (not yet used) and higher FPS. You can tell the new module is coming because Nikon used the old-current top of the line module in their midlle range camera.

BTW D7100 is a really nice bright green fresh looking tuft of grass.

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I have an old school 20D and have been looking to upgrade.  The volley back and forth between Canon & Nikon has me dizzy at this point.  7d, d7000, not 7dmk3 and d7100.  UGH!  I've been disappointed that Canon repeatedly seems to play catchup instead of leading.

Last night I had a personal epiphany. What matters most is light.  All the cool options are great but full frame is where its at.  This narrows my universe and minutiae metering considerably

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I shot some some evidentiary images this morning with one of my 7D cameras, with my superb 100mm 2.8L Macro lens. From the "portrait" to show her torso and head, to the details of her injuries at 1:1 distance,  the images showed no indication that my 7D cameras had just become obsolete, overnight. The 7D is my answer, for now, to the Nikon D7100, as it was my answer to the D300s, though the dual memory card slots nearly prompted me to purchase a D300s. Of course, the most excellent 100L is an important factor, here; I owned it before I bought my first 7D.

(My subject, mentioned above, was very much alive, but battered and bruised.)

Not that there is anything wrong with Nikon; I love my F6, and my wish list includes a clean, gently-treated, pre-owned D700 to be its digital companion. Just as the 100L, and some of my other Canon lenses, L and non-L, keep me loyal to Canon, I have Nikkors that compel me to also own Nikon cameras. The newer Nikon cameras, however, except for the pricey D4, do not feel as good in my hands as the D300/D700 generation.

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Steen Bay Veteran Member • Posts: 7,418
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David_C wrote:

Nikon D7100

24.1 MP

Also worth to mention that the sensor doesn't have an AA-filter.

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