What has happened to Nikon?

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Shotcents
Shotcents Veteran Member • Posts: 4,472
What has happened to Nikon?
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And before the fanboys react and attack me I'm venting here! It's a valid set of observations for a group forum to DISCUSS Nikon gear. If your cameras work better than your last, GREAT. I'm seriously glad to hear about it. But, as many of us honest folk will admit, all is not well in Nikon-Land. Let's keep this civil and mature. This is MY view.

Up until the D800 my life with Nikon was just about perfect. How perfect? Well, I spent 25K or more EASILY on Nikon cameras and lenses, starting with the D70, D50, D80, and then jumping into the D300, D3, D700, multiple bodies and flashes and two kits I was always comfortable using.

Enter the D800. At first things seem okay, but over the months I was less and less secure with the AF. It was CLEARLY less reliable than the D700 in challenging situations. My friends staunchly defended the D800 (and D4), but one by one they ended up with the same feeling. About half of us sent our cameras back.

My 1st D800 suffers from a MILD left AF issue. I'm sure a lot of people wish their issue was as mild as mine because I've seen far worse. My 2nd D800 was terrible. Left and right side were WAY off. I returned it.

Through various techniques and generally using ONLY the center AF point along with using the AF-ON focus technique, I get fairly reliable results. Images are wonderful, but I don't have that warm feeling I had with the D700 or D3. Some of my friends, who shoot weddings, have abandoned the D800 completely.

NONE of us will buy another D800.

Enter the D600. I DON'T HAVE ONE. But a lot of my friends jumped. Why not? Lower cost high MP second body! It's a nice dream. But what the heck!? Oil on the sensor? Silly amounts of dust along with it. Wet cleanings every other week?

And you can go to ANY major forum and hear about folks trying to get these cameras serviced. We're NOT talking about a small group. Cameras go back 2 or 3 times. Some owners are BLAMED by Nikon and charged. What the deuce?!, as Stewie would say!

So where has this left me? I'll think LONG and hard before buying the next DXXX. I'm absolutely terrified to return my D800 for service. Nikon stock is way down, just like their online reputation. It's a great time for photography, but you have to hope for a good camera in the box as never before.

My D800 is the best DSLR I've owned. But it's also been the worst; fussy, inconsistent and slow. It feels like a work-in-progress. Naturally others will jump in and claim their D800 cameras are perfect, better than sex and whatever. But, as someone else pointed out: Somewhere between the fanboys and the disgruntled owners with bad cameras lies the truth.

Cheers,

Robert

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Ecniv
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Shotcents wrote:

And before the fanboys react and attack me I'm venting here! It's a valid set of observations for a group forum to DISCUSS Nikon gear. If your cameras work better than your last, GREAT. I'm seriously glad to hear about it. But, as many of us honest folk will admit, all is not well in Nikon-Land. Let's keep this civil and mature. This is MY view.

Up until the D800 my life with Nikon was just about perfect. How perfect? Well, I spent 25K or more EASILY on Nikon cameras and lenses, starting with the D70, D50, D80, and then jumping into the D300, D3, D700, multiple bodies and flashes and two kits I was always comfortable using.

Enter the D800. At first things seem okay, but over the months I was less and less secure with the AF. It was CLEARLY less reliable than the D700 in challenging situations. My friends staunchly defended the D800 (and D4), but one by one they ended up with the same feeling. About half of us sent our cameras back.

My 1st D800 suffers from a MILD left AF issue. I'm sure a lot of people wish their issue was as mild as mine because I've seen far worse. My 2nd D800 was terrible. Left and right side were WAY off. I returned it.

Through various techniques and generally using ONLY the center AF point along with using the AF-ON focus technique, I get fairly reliable results. Images are wonderful, but I don't have that warm feeling I had with the D700 or D3. Some of my friends, who shoot weddings, have abandoned the D800 completely.

NONE of us will buy another D800.

Enter the D600. I DON'T HAVE ONE. But a lot of my friends jumped. Why not? Lower cost high MP second body! It's a nice dream. But what the heck!? Oil on the sensor? Silly amounts of dust along with it. Wet cleanings every other week?

And you can go to ANY major forum and hear about folks trying to get these cameras serviced. We're NOT talking about a small group. Cameras go back 2 or 3 times. Some owners are BLAMED by Nikon and charged. What the deuce?!, as Stewie would say!

So where has this left me? I'll think LONG and hard before buying the next DXXX. I'm absolutely terrified to return my D800 for service. Nikon stock is way down, just like their online reputation. It's a great time for photography, but you have to hope for a good camera in the box as never before.

My D800 is the best DSLR I've owned. But it's also been the worst; fussy, inconsistent and slow. It feels like a work-in-progress. Naturally others will jump in and claim their D800 cameras are perfect, better than sex and whatever. But, as someone else pointed out: Somewhere between the fanboys and the disgruntled owners with bad cameras lies the truth.

Cheers,

Robert

You're absolutely right, somewhere between your BS and the Fanboys BS lies the truth...just as you said.

OldDigiman Senior Member • Posts: 1,960
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Standing off to the side of the flame wars between trolls and fanboys are people like Roger Cicla of lensrentals.com who deals with large numbers of Nikon products day in and day out.  He has an objective view of Nikon QC and service.  http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/09/lensrentals-repair-data-january-july-2012

And then there's Thom Hogan, who is aggregating problem reports and thinks that Nikon is way way off the path.

Nikon is a shadow of the company it was in film days, both with regards to QC and customer relations.

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H o g n e
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You will probably get many replies but this topic is so flogged to death. It is a free world and no one forces anyone to buy Nikon. I can't see any new insight coming from yet another dust/AF discusion. It is what it is.

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crosstype Regular Member • Posts: 227
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I have tried 4 copies of D4: one of them front-focuses and one of them back-focuses. I'm astonished that even a D3000 does focus perfectly with every single piece of Nikon lens I own.

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Sutto Contributing Member • Posts: 599
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That was my story, except I was too scared to buy either of those cameras.  All my friends had issues with them and here in Australia we have no return policy.  They told me of weeks with no camera whilst they were getting repaired, then having them back from Nikon service, with apparently no improvement.  I did not want to shell out all that dough on a camera I had no confidence in.  The D600 felt like a piece of plastic junk.

I travel Asia 6 months of the year and no way wanted to be stuck with something that needed servicing in Myanmar or Cambodia.  I ended up getting a mint D3x to accompany my D700.  A marvelous camera that reeks of quality and instills me with confidence.   If I get mugged over there I can bash them  with the D3x - swing it on the strap like a weapon - then go on taking pic's with it, ha ha.

As far as I am concerned, I am happy now using these 'older' incarnations for the next few years until Nikon sort their game out.  If it is good enough for Karl Grobl to use them http://karlgrobl.com/blog/ (he recently bought 2 D3s bodies), then its certainly good enough for me.

Good luck on sorting out the issues with the 800.

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Shotcents
OP Shotcents Veteran Member • Posts: 4,472
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You're absolutely right, somewhere between your BS and the Fanboys BS lies the truth...just as you said.

Why give a reply like this? Look at the other replies made by adults. It's a gear forum, not a Nikon cheerleading squad.

I'm not FLAMING Nikon. I'm simply stating my experience.

Nikon spends a fortune on monitoring their PR on the web, in print and everywhere else. From where I'm standing these threads are a good way to let Nikon know what the story is.

And before you attempt to question what I just said, I used to work for a media monitoring company and Nikon was a client.

Robert

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Robert_9847 New Member • Posts: 14
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The only way this is going to change is through bad publicity. I sent David Pogue of the NY Times every blog post and people that I know of personally with documentation of this abhorrent situation with Nikon. I pray that he writes a story about it. This is inexcusable.

H o g n e
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Nikon spends a fortune on monitoring their PR on the web, in print and everywhere else. From where I'm standing these threads are a good way to let Nikon know what the story is.

You know, I think they've got the message by now.

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Ya think?
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I see little evidence that Nikon is listening.

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gomoku wrote:

Nikon spends a fortune on monitoring their PR on the web, in print and everywhere else. From where I'm standing these threads are a good way to let Nikon know what the story is.

You know, I think they've got the message by now.

When profits go down and the web is on fire with thread after negative thread they will listen.

And you can be certain of one thing: Staying silent won't get a thing done.

If the D900 or D5 is another debacle I will abandon Nikon for Canon like many others.

Nikon's entire plan appears to be to "out spec" the competition. That is a sound plan, but it seriously fail if they can't keep up reasonable QC.

In just my family: Two D5100, two D300, two D700, one D7000, one D3, one D40x and ALL are perfect. But EVERY D800 and D4 that I know of personally is afflicted with some issue or another. It's awful.

Robert

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JPR.lda Regular Member • Posts: 167
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I Shotcents,

Your post prompted me to write the post below.

I am very happy with my D3s, amazing camera, but... there are so many buts about Nikon policies and recent product line.

I have shot with Nikon all my life, but I think Nikon is loosing their direction.

I spent a lot of money on Nikon gear: F3, D70, D200, D3, D3x, D3s, and lots of pro lens both DX and FX and all the pro zooms (except 200-400) and pro primes 10 to 180.

I bypassed D4 and D800, D3s still has better IQ and better high ISO then the D4 and D800 not much better IQ then D3x, so no reason to upgrade.

I was tempted by the D4 for it's WIFI ability but why is Nikon asking for US$550 for a WT-5A for the D4 and $55 for a WU-1 for lesser cameras.

I need a small camera, so I bought a V1, terrible ergonomics, with horrible menu system, then comes the V2, better menus and control, but where are the fast lenses.

Then bouht the FT1 adapter, just to find out that it is useless with most lenses, except 70-200 VR2. Only one central focusing point... Nikon you are joking!!!

Is Nikon afraid that the D3 user will buy a V1/V2 instead of a D4? I think they do, but they are wrong and the Nikon 1 line is so bad that Pros are moving to M43 system. Wakeup Nikon

My most desired/needed function on a camera is the ability to transfer photos from camera to computer or tablet without cables during a shoot. But their solutions are crazy expensive for the D4.

Yes I can use a USB cable, but then I have to walk to computer to check the results because my LCD goes black on connecting a USB cable (ridiculous).

Then today I looked at the review of the Canon 6D and to my surprised, WIFI is built inside the camera, something all Nikon reps told me that was not possible.

I thought Nikon was leaving the video market to Canon, to concentrate on making the best photo cameras, but in reality Nikon is only worried about their coolpix cameras.

I am not surprised at all that the financial results are so bad, Nikon is not on track anymore.

I will need a new pro camera this year, so Nikon, please do not force me out of your system and move to Canon to get simple features like WIFI built in or as an addon for $50.

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Robin Casady Forum Pro • Posts: 12,898
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From a number of threads, I have to wonder about you perception of cameras and lenses. You ranted about AF problems, then you posted that you tried the AF-ON only technique and all was good. Now you are ranting again. You seem to think the 24-85 VR is as sharp as the 24-70.

My experience has been that each Nikon DSLR I've owned has been better than the last. With digital I started with a D100. Then got a D2x for higher resolution and other improvements. Made the change to digital FX with a D700. The DR improvement over the D2x was amazing. Now I have a D800E. My first Nikon was a Nikkormat in 1967 and adding a Nikon F in 1970. Then I started favoring medium and large format. A Nikon N90 was mostly used when I needed 35mm color slides.

The D800E has been more than I dreamed possible a few years ago.

The AF on my D800E is more accurate and reliable than any of my previous DSLRs. I guess I've been very lucky with my D800E in that it has not needed any AF fine-tuning and the extreme left AF is as good as one can expect (not a cross sensor). I did have to do some fine tuning on the D700.

The increased sensitivity of PDAF has been noticeable over the D700. The D800E finds focus in situations that surprise me.

With manual focus lenses I can often get more accurate focus with the green dot than I can with the less than stellar LV. Even CDAF seems less reliable than PDAF.

I have no way to judge what other people's D800 and D800E cameras are like. Since some of the major photo pundits say that there are problems, I assume there must be. I doubt that they are as bad as some of the ranters have claimed.

Nikon went through a rough time with the earthquake and tsunami. Their Sendai plant (where the D800E is made) sustained some damage from the earthquake. The tsunami was horrifically devastating to the people of Sendai and the town's infrastructure. This would have affected emplyees of the Sendai plant as well as suppliers Nikon relies on.

Later, the floods in Thailand devastated a Nikon factory.

I would expect that these disasters made things rather difficult for the people of Nikon. Schedules would be interrupted, there would have been problems with supply chains, employee morale would have been affected. It would surprise me if there hadn't been consequences to these disasters.

I'm glad that my D800E is so excellent. I'm sorry for those who have had bad experiences, but it annoys me that some of then are using this forum to vent their frustration over and over and over and over.

Shotcents
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I thought Nikon was leaving the video market to Canon, to concentrate on making the best photo cameras, but in reality Nikon is only worried about their coolpix cameras.

Funny that you say that!

My wife bought me the new P7700 and it's Nikon's first Coolpix camera that I actually like. With it's twin command dials it actually handles better than a D5100/D5200/D3200.

Sadly I agree with everything that you wrote. Nikon is one bad DSLR away from me going to Canon.

I wonder how much of a loss I'll take in the switch? But let's hope they pull it together and I don't have to go down that rough road.

Robert

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Shotcents wrote:

And before the fanboys react and attack me I'm venting here! It's a valid set of observations for a group forum to DISCUSS Nikon gear. If your cameras work better than your last, GREAT. I'm seriously glad to hear about it. But, as many of us honest folk will admit, all is not well in Nikon-Land. Let's keep this civil and mature. This is MY view.

Up until the D800 my life with Nikon was just about perfect. How perfect? Well, I spent 25K or more EASILY on Nikon cameras and lenses, starting with the D70, D50, D80, and then jumping into the D300, D3, D700, multiple bodies and flashes and two kits I was always comfortable using.

Enter the D800. At first things seem okay, but over the months I was less and less secure with the AF. It was CLEARLY less reliable than the D700 in challenging situations. My friends staunchly defended the D800 (and D4), but one by one they ended up with the same feeling. About half of us sent our cameras back.

My 1st D800 suffers from a MILD left AF issue. I'm sure a lot of people wish their issue was as mild as mine because I've seen far worse. My 2nd D800 was terrible. Left and right side were WAY off. I returned it.

Through various techniques and generally using ONLY the center AF point along with using the AF-ON focus technique, I get fairly reliable results. Images are wonderful, but I don't have that warm feeling I had with the D700 or D3. Some of my friends, who shoot weddings, have abandoned the D800 completely.

NONE of us will buy another D800.

Enter the D600. I DON'T HAVE ONE. But a lot of my friends jumped. Why not? Lower cost high MP second body! It's a nice dream. But what the heck!? Oil on the sensor? Silly amounts of dust along with it. Wet cleanings every other week?

And you can go to ANY major forum and hear about folks trying to get these cameras serviced. We're NOT talking about a small group. Cameras go back 2 or 3 times. Some owners are BLAMED by Nikon and charged. What the deuce?!, as Stewie would say!

So where has this left me? I'll think LONG and hard before buying the next DXXX. I'm absolutely terrified to return my D800 for service. Nikon stock is way down, just like their online reputation. It's a great time for photography, but you have to hope for a good camera in the box as never before.

My D800 is the best DSLR I've owned. But it's also been the worst; fussy, inconsistent and slow. It feels like a work-in-progress. Naturally others will jump in and claim their D800 cameras are perfect, better than sex and whatever. But, as someone else pointed out: Somewhere between the fanboys and the disgruntled owners with bad cameras lies the truth.

Cheers,

Robert

See this.  http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/the-final-three-results.html

I dont think its rocket science. I think the fast push for product and marketing has made a situation where QC is not keeping up with production, even though inventory may now be way up.

From the article, I think many tough decisions will be made over the next two years.

I cannot see Nikon keeping 3 amateur DX DSLR's. They must cut production costs and / or cater to market.

So, the D3100 may be dropped or become mirrorless, dont need that and D5100.

On the other side, they must get the enthusiasts and pros spending to them, so a new D400 plus a revamped D700 level, or updated D800 to clear off some issues, must come.

Canon....seems to have done the right thing. An APS-C mirrorless that takes EF lenses, to compete with NEX.

Sony, as you see NEX is THE biggest thing since to happen for a while. Sony is losing on others though, so maybe they will cut DSLR production to one just FF pro DSLR and one enthusiast DSLR APS-C (D7000 equiv) and add a NEX pro or enthusiast level FF. That would be the clever thing.

olympus has a greatOM-D, maybe they also need to dump some lines and focus on OM-D and thats it? Have a sports OM-D and a landscape high def OM-D?

The real issue is that the amateur market is saturated with good camera 4/3, NEX etc. It makes no sense for Nikon and Canon to compete with old APS-C layout. They must do mirrorless and offer more features to compete with NEX.

Plus, they must lock in the enthusiast and pro buyers by building on past strengths i.e. pro and enthusiast cameras.

Canon is doing it, but Nikon may be making a few mistakes, such as with the QC and not updating the D300 on time  and not maiking their mirrorless APS-C.

I think the QC issues have been caused by focusing just on cost and getting short term market and not including enough on build quality (the 5D III costs more, but look and see that some people here in these blogs are switching over for that).

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two brand new D600's, the two came with different problems, 1st had damaged in-body motor. 2nd had a lot of problems in auto-focus. solution? I got my hard earned money back! back to my trusty Canon's ;)!

my take: excellent sensor...from sony. The shell around it...sucks. :\

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Robin Casady wrote:

From a number of threads, I have to wonder about you perception of cameras and lenses. You ranted about AF problems, then you posted that you tried the AF-ON only technique and all was good. Now you are ranting again. You seem to think the 24-85 VR is as sharp as the 24-70.

My experience has been that each Nikon DSLR I've owned has been better than the last. With digital I started with a D100. Then got a D2x for higher resolution and other improvements. Made the change to digital FX with a D700. The DR improvement over the D2x was amazing. Now I have a D800E. My first Nikon was a Nikkormat in 1967 and adding a Nikon F in 1970. Then I started favoring medium and large format. A Nikon N90 was mostly used when I needed 35mm color slides.

The D800E has been more than I dreamed possible a few years ago.

The AF on my D800E is more accurate and reliable than any of my previous DSLRs. I guess I've been very lucky with my D800E in that it has not needed any AF fine-tuning and the extreme left AF is as good as one can expect (not a cross sensor). I did have to do some fine tuning on the D700.

The increased sensitivity of PDAF has been noticeable over the D700. The D800E finds focus in situations that surprise me.

With manual focus lenses I can often get more accurate focus with the green dot than I can with the less than stellar LV. Even CDAF seems less reliable than PDAF.

I have no way to judge what other people's D800 and D800E cameras are like. Since some of the major photo pundits say that there are problems, I assume there must be. I doubt that they are as bad as some of the ranters have claimed.

Nikon went through a rough time with the earthquake and tsunami. Their Sendai plant (where the D800E is made) sustained some damage from the earthquake. The tsunami was horrifically devastating to the people of Sendai and the town's infrastructure. This would have affected emplyees of the Sendai plant as well as suppliers Nikon relies on.

Later, the floods in Thailand devastated a Nikon factory.

I would expect that these disasters made things rather difficult for the people of Nikon. Schedules would be interrupted, there would have been problems with supply chains, employee morale would have been affected. It would surprise me if there hadn't been consequences to these disasters.

I'm glad that my D800E is so excellent. I'm sorry for those who have had bad experiences, but it annoys me that some of then are using this forum to vent their frustration over and over and over and over.

So your sample criteria is ONE d800E, which you got lucky. That tell's nothing...sorry.

My guess...you had a lousy d700.

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Robin Casady Forum Pro • Posts: 12,898
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papparazzi wrote:

Robin Casady wrote:

From a number of threads, I have to wonder about you perception of cameras and lenses. You ranted about AF problems, then you posted that you tried the AF-ON only technique and all was good. Now you are ranting again. You seem to think the 24-85 VR is as sharp as the 24-70.

My experience has been that each Nikon DSLR I've owned has been better than the last. With digital I started with a D100. Then got a D2x for higher resolution and other improvements. Made the change to digital FX with a D700. The DR improvement over the D2x was amazing. Now I have a D800E. My first Nikon was a Nikkormat in 1967 and adding a Nikon F in 1970. Then I started favoring medium and large format. A Nikon N90 was mostly used when I needed 35mm color slides.

The D800E has been more than I dreamed possible a few years ago.

The AF on my D800E is more accurate and reliable than any of my previous DSLRs. I guess I've been very lucky with my D800E in that it has not needed any AF fine-tuning and the extreme left AF is as good as one can expect (not a cross sensor). I did have to do some fine tuning on the D700.

The increased sensitivity of PDAF has been noticeable over the D700. The D800E finds focus in situations that surprise me.

With manual focus lenses I can often get more accurate focus with the green dot than I can with the less than stellar LV. Even CDAF seems less reliable than PDAF.

I have no way to judge what other people's D800 and D800E cameras are like. Since some of the major photo pundits say that there are problems, I assume there must be. I doubt that they are as bad as some of the ranters have claimed.

Nikon went through a rough time with the earthquake and tsunami. Their Sendai plant (where the D800E is made) sustained some damage from the earthquake. The tsunami was horrifically devastating to the people of Sendai and the town's infrastructure. This would have affected emplyees of the Sendai plant as well as suppliers Nikon relies on.

Later, the floods in Thailand devastated a Nikon factory.

I would expect that these disasters made things rather difficult for the people of Nikon. Schedules would be interrupted, there would have been problems with supply chains, employee morale would have been affected. It would surprise me if there hadn't been consequences to these disasters.

I'm glad that my D800E is so excellent. I'm sorry for those who have had bad experiences, but it annoys me that some of then are using this forum to vent their frustration over and over and over and over.

So your sample criteria is ONE d800E, which you got lucky. That tell's nothing...sorry.

My guess...you had a lousy d700.

You really need to improve your reading comprehension.

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papparazzi wrote:

two brand new D600's, the two came with different problems, 1st had damaged in-body motor. 2nd had a lot of problems in auto-focus. solution? I got my hard earned money back! back to my trusty Canon's ;)!

Then why are you on this forum.

my take: excellent sensor...from sony. The shell around it...sucks. :\

And you think your sample of two is grounds for making such a generalized statement. Ha!

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Shotcents wrote:

gomoku wrote:

Nikon spends a fortune on monitoring their PR on the web, in print and everywhere else. From where I'm standing these threads are a good way to let Nikon know what the story is.

You know, I think they've got the message by now.

When profits go down and the web is on fire with thread after negative thread they will listen.

And you can be certain of one thing: Staying silent won't get a thing done.

So, you are using this forum as an engine to create bad publicity for Nikon? That would explain why you have to complain about the same thing over and over.

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