Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

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Hanseberhardt New Member • Posts: 12
Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture
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autoy Forum Member • Posts: 58
Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture
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Start your campaign here:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/aperture.html

The more reports, the better.

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PascallacsaP Contributing Member • Posts: 504
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autoy wrote:

Start your campaign here:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/aperture.html

The more reports, the better.

Agree! Just posted my feedback. It might work if it accumulates and reaches some critical mass...

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Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

I just added my request for support of FujiFilm X-E1 and X-Pro1 raw files.

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Hanseberhardt OP New Member • Posts: 12
Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

So have. Thanks

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Hanseberhardt OP New Member • Posts: 12
Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

So have I.

THANKS!

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cptrios Senior Member • Posts: 1,352
Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

I have serious doubts that this is ever going to happen. Aperture is a tiny chunk of Apple's business, and the RAW compatibility team must be a tiny chunk of that. They'd have to devote even more resources than usual to the task, as the sensor requires an entirely different interpretation from 98% of the others out there (and look at how much trouble Adobe's having with it, considering that the relevant team is a much larger piece of their organization). This is why I think that Fuji should be offering assistance and not the other way around - work will be done on compatibility when enough X-Trans cameras are sold, and more X-Trans cameras will be sold if compatibility improves.

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nzino Junior Member • Posts: 28
Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

autoy wrote:

Start your campaign here:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/aperture.html

The more reports, the better.

Submitted my report today ! Hoping that many others join us !

Thanks,

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EyeOTBeholder Junior Member • Posts: 30
Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

me, too!

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smatty Senior Member • Posts: 1,949
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and move on to Lightroom 4. Adobe seems to be very fast updating for new cameras. And contrary to many people here, I have managed to get some decent results out of X-Pro 1 Raw files in Lightroom 4.3, but I only use Raw in very difficult light situations to increase DR and color control in post.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/internationalphotos/8463099484/


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Re: Or bite the bullet...

smatty wrote:

and move on to Lightroom 4. Adobe seems to be very fast updating for new cameras. And contrary to many people here, I have managed to get some decent results out of X-Pro 1 Raw files in Lightroom 4.3, but I only use Raw in very difficult light situations to increase DR and color control in post.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/internationalphotos/8463099484/

I've been using LR to play around with some RAW file and have not come across any of the problems some are reporting. I don't doubt there was an issue but Adobe look to have resolved it from what I can see.

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Zardoz Senior Member • Posts: 1,249
Re: Or bite the bullet...

BillyInya wrote:

I've been using LR to play around with some RAW file and have not come across any of the problems some are reporting. I don't doubt there was an issue but Adobe look to have resolved it from what I can see.

Nope:

Reference.

But you've been told this before. Repeatedly.

Edit: Alternatively, post a link to the raw and the problem can be demonstrated to you, again.  Unless it's of a subject that's not affected by LR's demosaicing issues.

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PascallacsaP Contributing Member • Posts: 504
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Might just do so. Great photo BTW!

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nzino Junior Member • Posts: 28
Re: Or bite the bullet...
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I do appreciate the information given about LightRoom and any other software that is, but the subject of the thread is: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture .

The OP's question was about encouraging Apple to provide support for the X-trans sensor, not about what software does provide support for it and how well.

Many of us have chosen to use Aperture, each for his own specific reasons and needs, and are reluctant to switch to any other software just because of these reasons and needs.

The argument/debate here is not about which software is better nor if Apple will eventually hear the plea or not.

So please, be considerate to all forum users and the OP of the thread and:

  • either join your voice to ours by submitting a request for X-trans support to Apple (see autoy's post , higher up),
  • or suggest another way of getting heard by Apple.

Getting off-topic will not advance the 'cause' for sure.

Thank you for your understanding.

Happy shutter and mouse clicking to all 

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cptrios Senior Member • Posts: 1,352
Re: Or bite the bullet...

smatty wrote:

and move on to Lightroom 4. Adobe seems to be very fast updating for new cameras. And contrary to many people here, I have managed to get some decent results out of X-Pro 1 Raw files in Lightroom 4.3, but I only use Raw in very difficult light situations to increase DR and color control in post.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/internationalphotos/8463099484/


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That is much, much, much easier said than done for a lot of us. I have around 40,000 pictures in Aperture (I can only imagine how many a pro photographer would have), most of which are carefully organized and keyworded. The prospect of translating all of that over to Lightroom is a nightmare...especially since for my tastes the organizational system in Aperture is 10x better. I do prefer the way LR handles noise, though, and will often process anything over ISO 1600 in LR or ACR before sending it back into Aperture. Which, obviously, is not the most streamlined of workflows...but whatever, leave me alone!

Najinsky Veteran Member • Posts: 4,940
Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

Hanseberhardt wrote:

Maybe in the Mac forum here at DPR, as well as the feedback form.

When they released GH2 support during a big update, I posted in the Mac forum about a bug with the GH2 processing on my system.

Apple contacted me directly, said they had seen the thread on DPR and gave me the access credentials to an FTP server to upload sample files and a system log.

A few weeks later a fix was issued.

Apple seem very responsive to feedback, and it appears, actively go and seek it out. I'm not sure that would extend to the Fuji forum here though!

I think one of three things is happening:

a) They have decided not to support it, like Foveon sensor based camera. Or,

b) They need to wait till Apeture 4 (X) to support it directly because the processing algorithm doesn't fit into their current pipeline. Or,

c) They need to wait 'til Apeture 4 (X), which might introduce a way to plug in third party raw processors into the pipeline, so it will then lie with camera manufacturer to provide an Aperture plug-in.

C is unlikely, but I live in hope! The end of intermediary TIFFs!

Skeptics may say a fourth option is Apple is abandoning Aperture, but while that's always a possibility, it's not one I'm entertaining as likely anytime soon.

-Najinsky

smatty Senior Member • Posts: 1,949
Re: Or bite the bullet...
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nzino wrote:

I do appreciate the information given about LightRoom and any other software that is, but the subject of the thread is: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture .

The OP's question was about encouraging Apple to provide support for the X-trans sensor, not about what software does provide support for it and how well.

Thank you for your understanding.

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Nicolas

I missed the part that you are the new elected forum police and are to judge what is ok to reply and what is not...

I am not a troll and I did not offen anyone with my post. And I think that this conversation can be very well extended to alternatives, wether you like it or not.

I got my first Apple computer in the early 80's and have a long history as a cutomer and shareholder with this company. And it has been proven to be very hard to push Apple to do anything that is not on their own agenda.

The "pressure" to get support for Fuji's X-Trans and EXR sensor RAW files will never gain the magnitude of the "Antenna gate" where Apple in the end told us that "we are holding it wrong and here is a bumper for those who can't figure it out"

Many people have left Aperture for various reasons and went to look for other alternatives instead of hoping and pleading that Apple will change this or support that. Apple has been quite bad with their pro apps maintenance and updates and we might just have to accept that they leave this market to other companies like Adobe who put all of their resources behind it while Apple focuses on the more profitable "simple user" as they outnumber the pro's by magnitudes.

To make a long story short, I would rather spend my time exploring alternatives and use my time productively editing photos with another software than hanging in the "RAW" air if it is that important to me.

Or just stick with Aperture and the fantastic JPG files from the X-Pro 1 / XE1 and be happy if Apple ever decides to support Fuji X-Trans RAW

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smatty Senior Member • Posts: 1,949
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cptrios wrote:

That is much, much, much easier said than done for a lot of us. I have around 40,000 pictures in Aperture (I can only imagine how many a pro photographer would have), most of which are carefully organized and keyworded. The prospect of translating all of that over to Lightroom is a nightmare...especially since for my tastes the organizational system in Aperture is 10x better. I do prefer the way LR handles noise, though, and will often process anything over ISO 1600 in LR or ACR before sending it back into Aperture. Which, obviously, is not the most streamlined of workflows...but whatever, leave me alone!

I understand that and at the time where I had to decide to go for (the erly version of) Aperture or Lightroom both products were very close in quality. And organizing in Aperture does seem to be much better!

But with every day you wait and every photo you take the hurdle gets higher and higher to ever switch.

There are a few options that you have if you do want to switch. You can:

A) Leave all 40.000 old photos in Aperture (no need to delet it. HD space is cheap) and start with all photos taken in 2013 to be imported into LR.

B) Leave the photos in Aperture intact and only import a copy of the photos with the adjustments you have already made in Aperture as JPG or TIF into LR.

There seem to be some ways to keep the IPTC information intact during export. A quick google search led me here: http://lightroomsolutions.com/articles/migrating-from-aperture-to-lightroom-where-do-i-begin/

Maybe this is an option to look into? And please, I only addressed this as an option for fellow photographers who are frustrated with the current support from Aperture

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Najinsky Veteran Member • Posts: 4,940
Re: Or bite the bullet...
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smatty wrote:

Many people have left Aperture for various reasons and went to look for other alternatives instead of hoping and pleading that Apple will change this or support that. Apple has been quite bad with their pro apps maintenance and updates and we might just have to accept that they leave this market to other companies like Adobe who put all of their resources behind it while Apple focuses on the more profitable "simple user" as they outnumber the pro's by magnitudes.

Many have also left and come back, having regretted leaving. Leaving is a big decision which may lead to regret, you shouldn't be so eager to push others into it just to make yourself feel better about your choice or because you are angry at Apple.

Aperture came first and was only the raw workflow tool of it's Kind.

Ligthrooom was announced as a free public beta to stem the adoption of Aperture which was getting a lot of publicity. It was a great tactic and did the trick.

But by the time of LR V1, Aperture was a superior mature product, restricted in its quest for domination by being a Mac only product. But the list of advantages Aperture held was long, substantial and significant. Some photographers switched to Mac just to run Aperture.

With their respective V2 and V3, and now V4 on the LR side, they have been getting closer and then and flip-flopping over each in terms features. Aperture still holds a lot of advantages, and in some areas Lightroom has the tricks (and in some areas, others)

But switching your entire workflow tool is a big crazy step and if you are going to do it, you only want to do it once. But the Mac forums have many posts about people switching, then a new version of Aperture comes out and they feel they have to switch back because it's now the product they wanted. Madness.

Stick with your raw workflow and work around its limits. If those limits look like persisting indefinitely, and the work arounds become the lions share of your workflow, then clearly it's time to consider switching.

And clearly support of X-Trans could well be one of those limits, but I'd at least wait until Lightroom has solved the watercolour painting effect. As it stands at the moment it's hardly seems worth such an upheaval. What I dow with an unsupported new camera (as happened with the X100) is to shoot RAW+JPEG so you get the excellent JPEGs to use straight away. If/when you need to use the raw, round-trip it to your preferred processor. Wait for / Campaign for support.

Aperture is not the toy processor some people discard it as. Its organisational facilities are easily the best of the raw suites, but it's raw processing is also top drawer and among the very best. Lightroom has a few party tricks but I'm a bit tired of hearing about them parrot fashion, and if they were that relevant to me, guess which I'd be using.

JakeB Contributing Member • Posts: 814
Re: Fuji X-trans & Apple Aperture

Hanseberhardt wrote:

I hope you're successful, but realistically Fuji X owners are a tiny minority of photographers and a minority of that group are Aperture users.

Best hope is Adobe and they still haven't nailed it.

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