Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

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Englund Regular Member • Posts: 469
Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

OK, I have the DA21, the DA 40 , an F 50/1.7 and my dad has the FA 43.

BUT...I lust for the FA31. I have a work trip to the US planned later this year (i.e. 60 % of the price at home, this is usually the way I can afford lenses...) and I feel like given the opportunity I almost cannot afford not to buy it, if that makes sense...

I know I would love it, I love my other lenses.. I usually only bring one lens and force myself to do the most of it. I have a few zooms (Sig 17-70, very good actually, DA 55-300, F 70-210, DA 18-55II) but it is always for convenience reasons I bring them.

So... I know it is only up to me... but does anyone have a similar set up? Would it be morally justified or would e.g. the DA 40 just be jealous? *Sigh*.

I usually don't spoil myself (too many kids for that..) but from time to time...well.

I should probalbly just go for it. Regret is normally reserved for things you didn't do, right?

/Mikael

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rgk New Member • Posts: 6
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

Wonderful lens.  Do it!

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dick eduard Senior Member • Posts: 1,327
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I'm for many years in the same boat. I have the 43 and the 77 and want complete the serir with the 31. I also have the da 100 macro.  From al the pic's on this forum the 31 never had a big bang for me, i don't know why may it is the  total rendering contrast,bokeh etc.  The pics with the 43 and 77   looks better in my eyes. When the 43 is to narrow I take two shots and  stitch them (not often neccecary)

Cheers

Dick

alexius
alexius Regular Member • Posts: 341
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well first of all i think you should follow your guts ... you´ll never get an answer using logic, one day it´ll be yes and the next day it´ll be no ... that being said i think you don´t need it but if you have the money i also think it´s the best lens of them all ... but but but: if you´re used to force yourself to work within a certain limit you can do good with many other lenses ... i have myself 15, 31, 43, 77, 100 and speaking of zooms i have 12-24, 16-50 and 55-300 – what i use the most is 15, 31. 43, 77 and 55-300 NS moat never 16-50 and 100, if it wasn´t for the size i´d probably be using 12-24 instead of 15

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alexius Regular Member • Posts: 341
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

well first of all i think you should follow your guts ... you´ll never get an answer using logic, one day it´ll be yes and the next day it´ll be no ... that being said i think you don´t need it but if you have the money i also think it´s the best lens of them all ... but but but: if you´re used to force yourself to work within a certain limit you can do good with many other lenses ... i have myself 15, 31, 43, 77, 100 and speaking of zooms i have 12-24, 16-50 and 55-300 – what i use the most is 15, 31. 43, 77 and 55-300 NS moat never 16-50 and 100, if it wasn´t for the size i´d probably be using 12-24 instead of 15

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zakaria Veteran Member • Posts: 4,039
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

dick eduard wrote:

I'm for many years in the same boat. I have the 43 and the 77 and want complete the serir with the 31. I also have the da 100 macro. From al the pic's on this forum the 31 never had a big bang for me, i don't know why may it is the total rendering contrast,bokeh etc. The pics with the 43 and 77 looks better in my eyes. When the 43 is to narrow I take two shots and stitch them (not often neccecary)

Cheers

Dick

Me too

I have the 43 and 77 and hope to save for the 31.

some advised me to buy fa 35 instead and Idid..It is /the fa 35/ realy a very good lens but. .The need to acquire it is still exist.

the 3 Amigos as some one called them are the spirit of pentax and the main reason/for me/ to switch from nikon to pentax!

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audiobomber Veteran Member • Posts: 5,764
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

Englund wrote:

OK, I have the DA21, the DA 40 , an F 50/1.7 and my dad has the FA 43.

BUT...I lust for the FA31.

I can't help you, but I'm having a similar debate. I own a bunch of normals (Kiron 28mm f2, FA 28mm f2.8, FA 35mm f2, XS 40 2.8), that I could sell to help pay for the 31mm, but is it worthwhile? Professional reviews show virtually the same performance for the FA 35 and FA 31. Photos I've seen online don't show a clear winner. From anything I've seen, it is not possible to distinguish which lens was used. I really like the colours, FOV and small size of the FA 28. It pretty much lives on my K-01. The FA 35 is sharp from f2 and has been very reliable any time I've used it.

If I were to sell my normal collection, I'd be left with DA 15, FA 31, DA 40, FA 50 1.4 and D FA 100. That collection makes more sense than what I have, but I like variety and I'm not quite convinced that pixie dust exists, or that if it does exist, that it will matter to me.

Then there's the coming full-frame. It seems to me that a 35mm FOV makes more sense on FF than 31mm.

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JoeDaBassPlayer Veteran Member • Posts: 3,657
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Get a K 01 body for the 21 and 40. The 50/1.7 is the best 50 but a bit wimpy in contrast compared to the other two, on a K 01. Then, get a UWA, or a 70ltd, or a sigma 70 macro.

You will become both cool and happy.

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SBS Senior Member • Posts: 2,509
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Can't talk you out of it. Got one recently and I can't believe I waited so long. It was the last Limited prime that I purchased, but it should have been the first.

Jim Beverlin Veteran Member • Posts: 4,535
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

Englund wrote:

OK, I have the DA21, the DA 40 , an F 50/1.7 and my dad has the FA 43.

BUT...I lust for the FA31. I have a work trip to the US planned later this year (i.e. 60 % of the price at home, this is usually the way I can afford lenses...) and I feel like given the opportunity I almost cannot afford not to buy it, if that makes sense...

I know I would love it, I love my other lenses.. I usually only bring one lens and force myself to do the most of it. I have a few zooms (Sig 17-70, very good actually, DA 55-300, F 70-210, DA 18-55II) but it is always for convenience reasons I bring them.

So... I know it is only up to me... but does anyone have a similar set up? Would it be morally justified or would e.g. the DA 40 just be jealous? *Sigh*.

I usually don't spoil myself (too many kids for that..) but from time to time...well.

I should probalbly just go for it. Regret is normally reserved for things you didn't do, right?

/Mikael

I found myself in the same situaiton.  I found a FA77 used at B&H iin September.  Used it for shots of the Fall colors.  The images were superb with excellent color redention.  I ended up with the DA35, DA X 40mm (from the K-01), DA21 and DA15 along with the D FA 100mm macro and a SMC-A 50mm f1 but I still wanted the FA31.  All of my primes with the exception of the D FA100mm macro have been purchased used.  I looked for several months on eBay but the prices were more than new at B&H.  Then, right after the 1st of the year I located a used one at Adorama.  Listed in "like new" condition and it is.  Not much cheaper than buying new but any money saved is a plus in my book.

Love the FA31 and it balances perfectly on my K-5.  My most used prime is the DA21 and that is on my K-01.  For now I have pretty much exhausted my photographic budget for 2013.  Next in line may be the DA55 but with the issues I have read about I will go for a new version so I have the warranty.

I would recommend the FA31.  You will not regret it.

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miles green Veteran Member • Posts: 6,494
No can do...

It's a wonderful lens, you won't regret it.

40% discount is a sweet deal. I live in Greece and ordered mine from Canada.

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Wheatfield Veteran Member • Posts: 6,297
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

The 31 is my favourite lens on the APS-C format, but I have no use for it at all on the 35mm format.

Something to keep on mind IF Pentax comes out with a FF body, you decide to buy one, and don't like it's FL. I don't have any use for the 28mm on 35 either......

OTOH, you might love it as somewhat of a wide angle. It's a great, though somewhat large standard lens.

Schleiermacher Senior Member • Posts: 2,258
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I own the DA 15, DA21, DA31, FA43, DA70, and M135 primes.  The FA31 is, of course, a remarkable lens.  When I look at your kit, however, I ask what would complement what you've already got in terms of a kit of primes.  The 31 is not a great deal different in focal length from 40 (at least as I use them). In your shoes, I would first add the DA70 and then the DA15 -- both of which will give you great glass at the wide and short tele end.  The difference between 15 and 21 is very significant! The 70 adds good reach beyond your 50 in a very compact lens.  Given my style, rounding out my kit of primes is the key. You could buy both for about the cost of the 31. You might then sell the 50 if you don't miss the gap between 40 and 70 (I don't)

The 31 is amazing -- the bokeh, sharpness even at wide apertures, and the speed.  It is a hulk in terms of weight and size compared to your other primes! And it requires larger filter sizes than the other primes.

There's lots of hype about the 31. Sometimes it is depicted as the magic bullet for good photography. It's not. It is exquisite glass to be sure. I'd encourage you to round out your kit a bit, but that assumes you want to work at the wide and short tele end with your primes.

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Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

I have the 15, 35,43and 77 limiteds. I went to B&H one day, hell bent on getting the 31. They only had one copy left of lt and this particular one had bad pp (with my K5) plus it seemed decentered, I could not get a sharp shot at the store. The sales manager offered a very nice price, but comparing it with the 35 2.8, it didn't seem as such a great value. I love my 35, plus it's a macro to boot. The only reason to go with the 31 is to be ready for the elusive Pentax FF some day

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jackie semple Contributing Member • Posts: 566
Buying at home might be worth considering.........

There are risks attached to buying outside your own country's Pentax Distribution arrangements, in particular, if flaws are subsequently discovered that might prove difficult in terms of getting the service you seek under the warranty provisions.

In addition, there is the question of paying the appropriate import tax - failure to do so could mean a costly decision and a criminal record.

You pays your money and you take your chances.

moji Regular Member • Posts: 151
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If you have the desire and the cash go for it. Why shall anyone speak you out of it! I had the desire for the 31 mm. I have only the FA 77 out of the premium range. I needed the 30 mm's focal lenghth and could not justify the cost of the 31 mm. Then I accepted the old nickname the "Poor man's 31 mm" and ordered the FA 35 F/2. B&H will send it after two weeks and I am glad like a kid!

Good luck

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KL Matt Veteran Member • Posts: 5,885
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

I have the FA 35 f/2, DA 40, FA 43, FA 28, FA 77, FA 50 macro, DA 15, DA21, FA31, and various assorted others. The FA 43 I bought to be part of a two-lens kit with the DA 15.

Out of all these lenses, the FA 31 is probably my favorite. The rendering is just so perfect and alive. I once did comparison shots against the FA35, and you could barely see a difference in the bokeh.

Still, for some reason, I'm convinced there is a difference, and I think it's got to do with light transmission. The colors from the FA35 just aren't the same somehow. Something about the highlights seems different, more bright, less contrasty, warmer. But like I said, take identical images and compare them side by side, you can really barely tell any difference at all.

Save your money and get the 35, you'll never know what you're missing. And the 35 f/2 is way more practical - the integrated hood is fantastic, protects the lens, easier to use filters on, lighter, a much better travel lens. It's also clinically sharp at f/2.

Matt

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... cuz you won't regret it Mikael

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OP Englund Regular Member • Posts: 469
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

Oh my, that was plentiful of good advice. I am still somewhat indecisive. I forgot to mention that I also have the FA77 and I love it.

Sigh.

Cheers,
Mikael

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KL Matt Veteran Member • Posts: 5,885
Re: Please talk me out of a 31 mm ltd... or?

If you love the rendering and wide-open contrast of the 77, you'll love the 31, too. It's easily as good or better, but in a "normal" focal length. And the colors the 31 puts out are IMO actually a bit better than the 77 (which is too warm, not 100% linear).

You'll get more use out of the 31 than your 77, unless of course you're a portrait specialist etc. The results are by no means inferior in any respect. Only drawbacks are size/weight/price.

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