Some D600 + 24-70 f2.8 pictures. Is that IQ expected?

Started Jan 29, 2013 | Discussions
paulski66
paulski66 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,275
Re: the upgrade path

John Motts wrote:

Why would you learn quicker by buying a cheap camera than you would an expensive camera? It's up to the individual what gear they buy.

Sure if they buy the most expensive expecting it to be the answer to everything, then they'll probably be disappointed, but that's up to them, not us.

I don't think expense has a lot to do with it, but...

The d600 is a pretty complex camera. Perhaps not the best place to start; clearly, he doesn't have mastery of all of the controls/settings yet. But I'm sure he'll get there.

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OP wint Regular Member • Posts: 387
Re: the upgrade path

paulski66 wrote:

John Motts wrote:

Why would you learn quicker by buying a cheap camera than you would an expensive camera? It's up to the individual what gear they buy.

Sure if they buy the most expensive expecting it to be the answer to everything, then they'll probably be disappointed, but that's up to them, not us.

I don't think expense has a lot to do with it, but...

The d600 is a pretty complex camera. Perhaps not the best place to start; clearly, he doesn't have mastery of all of the controls/settings yet. But I'm sure he'll get there.

Paul, I got good photos too. I know I've messed the settings in these pictures. Next time I'll upload the good ones. I'm learning and now I understand it was a error to upload that bad pictures and ask for IQ feedback. You can see my photos at 500px.com/mrka

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inasir1971
inasir1971 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,623
Re: the upgrade path

How about trying the auto iso feature.

Under iso settings you could try:

  • ISO sensitivity: 100
  • Minimum shutter speed: auto (center or one notch to right - 1/FL or 1/2xFL), or something like 1/80 - 1/100
  • max ISO: up to you but 4000 works for me
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u007 Senior Member • Posts: 1,681
Re: Some D600 + 24-70 f2.8 pictures. Is that IQ expected?

MarceloLI wrote:

The pictures looks really bad, over exposed but it is not the camera or lens fault, it is your fault.

Why you are using ISO 800, 2200 and 6400 in a sunny day??

Check your settings and learn how to use the camera.

He is CLEARLY trolling. Look at his other thread about wanting to move to Canon because of his experience with the D600.

Come on mods.. delete this stupid thread and ban the troll.

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CraigBennett
CraigBennett Contributing Member • Posts: 699
Re: the upgrade path

wint wrote:

Paul, I got good photos too. I know I've messed the settings in these pictures. Next time I'll upload the good ones. I'm learning and now I understand it was a error to upload that bad pictures and ask for IQ feedback. You can see my photos at 500px.com/mrka

I looked at your link, while some are okay, there are a lot of soft focus images with other issues going on.  Perhaps get a good book on exposure, such as "Understanding Exposure, 3rd Edition" by Bryan Peterson or similar book.  You have some very good equipment, learn to use it.

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OP wint Regular Member • Posts: 387
Re: Some D600 + 24-70 f2.8 pictures. Is that IQ expected?

u007 wrote:

MarceloLI wrote:

The pictures looks really bad, over exposed but it is not the camera or lens fault, it is your fault.

Why you are using ISO 800, 2200 and 6400 in a sunny day??

Check your settings and learn how to use the camera.

He is CLEARLY trolling. Look at his other thread about wanting to move to Canon because of his experience with the D600.

Come on mods.. delete this stupid thread and ban the troll.

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Instead of guessing here or there about who is trolling or not, why don't you look at my previous threads and see yourself that I'm still learning and a little confuse about gear!

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OP wint Regular Member • Posts: 387
Re: the upgrade path

CraigBennett wrote:

wint wrote:

Paul, I got good photos too. I know I've messed the settings in these pictures. Next time I'll upload the good ones. I'm learning and now I understand it was a error to upload that bad pictures and ask for IQ feedback. You can see my photos at 500px.com/mrka

I looked at your link, while some are okay, there are a lot of soft focus images with other issues going on. Perhaps get a good book on exposure, such as "Understanding Exposure, 3rd Edition" by Bryan Peterson or similar book. You have some very good equipment, learn to use it.

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Craig Bennett

Thank you for have looking. The firsts images were taken with mirrorless. The first page there, the latest photos, were with D600 and most of them with 85mm f1.8.

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amobi
amobi Veteran Member • Posts: 3,113
Re: the upgrade path

wint wrote:

CraigBennett wrote:

wint wrote:

Paul, I got good photos too. I know I've messed the settings in these pictures. Next time I'll upload the good ones. I'm learning and now I understand it was a error to upload that bad pictures and ask for IQ feedback. You can see my photos at 500px.com/mrka

I looked at your link, while some are okay, there are a lot of soft focus images with other issues going on. Perhaps get a good book on exposure, such as "Understanding Exposure, 3rd Edition" by Bryan Peterson or similar book. You have some very good equipment, learn to use it.

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Craig Bennett

Thank you for have looking. The firsts images were taken with mirrorless. The first page there, the latest photos, were with D600 and most of them with 85mm f1.8.

There is nothing wrong with the images except you did not process them before uploading. A lot of the highlights could be recovered easily in post.

Some people here will never forgive you for knocking Nikon in your first thread. They will hammer you to death. To make friends you need to start another thread and proclaim your love for Nikon. Let them know that you have figured out your mistakes and that it was user error. The user error in this case happens to be true.

OP wint Regular Member • Posts: 387
Re: the upgrade path
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amobi wrote:

wint wrote:

CraigBennett wrote:

wint wrote:

Paul, I got good photos too. I know I've messed the settings in these pictures. Next time I'll upload the good ones. I'm learning and now I understand it was a error to upload that bad pictures and ask for IQ feedback. You can see my photos at 500px.com/mrka

I looked at your link, while some are okay, there are a lot of soft focus images with other issues going on. Perhaps get a good book on exposure, such as "Understanding Exposure, 3rd Edition" by Bryan Peterson or similar book. You have some very good equipment, learn to use it.

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Craig Bennett

Thank you for have looking. The firsts images were taken with mirrorless. The first page there, the latest photos, were with D600 and most of them with 85mm f1.8.

There is nothing wrong with the images except you did not process them before uploading. A lot of the highlights could be recovered easily in post.

Some people here will never forgive you for knocking Nikon in your first thread. They will hammer you to death. To make friends you need to start another thread and proclaim your love for Nikon. Let them know that you have figured out your mistakes and that it was user error. The user error in this case happens to be true.

Yes. I said always, these photos are not processed! RAW to jpg directly through LR4.

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OP wint Regular Member • Posts: 387
Re: the upgrade path

wint wrote:

amobi wrote:

wint wrote:

CraigBennett wrote:

wint wrote:

Paul, I got good photos too. I know I've messed the settings in these pictures. Next time I'll upload the good ones. I'm learning and now I understand it was a error to upload that bad pictures and ask for IQ feedback. You can see my photos at 500px.com/mrka

I looked at your link, while some are okay, there are a lot of soft focus images with other issues going on. Perhaps get a good book on exposure, such as "Understanding Exposure, 3rd Edition" by Bryan Peterson or similar book. You have some very good equipment, learn to use it.

-- hide signature --

Craig Bennett

Thank you for have looking. The firsts images were taken with mirrorless. The first page there, the latest photos, were with D600 and most of them with 85mm f1.8.

There is nothing wrong with the images except you did not process them before uploading. A lot of the highlights could be recovered easily in post.

Some people here will never forgive you for knocking Nikon in your first thread. They will hammer you to death. To make friends you need to start another thread and proclaim your love for Nikon. Let them know that you have figured out your mistakes and that it was user error. The user error in this case happens to be true.

Yes. I said always, these photos are not processed! RAW to jpg directly through LR4.

I'll upload also some of the processed in LR4 here I took last week:

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ranalli Senior Member • Posts: 1,016
Re: the upgrade path

For what it's worth I love the shot of the duck even if your photos at the beginning of this thread are lacking.

argonzero Forum Member • Posts: 85
Re: Some D600 + 24-70 f2.8 pictures. Is that IQ expected?

wint wrote:

wint wrote:

And now, I'm posting here some of pitcures taken in the weekend.

What you guys think about the IQ produced from my combo? That are the IQ to expect or lacking something?

Why are you asking others if those images are of decent quality ?

What I mean ... are they good enough for you or not ? Can't you decide this on your own ?

I'm testing the lenses. See my previous reply.

Hello, I think that your ISO settings contributed to the lack of sharpness and overall IQ.  With that much light 100 to 200 ISO shouldn't be a problem.  The high ISO was what had noticed right off the bat when I was trying to see how well this combination worked, but the ISO noise had muffled or hid the true sharpness of that lens and body.

shawn in ak Regular Member • Posts: 206
Re: the upgrade path

I like the duck too. And as far as the early shots go, your equipment is likely fine. I'd just try to remember to double check settings before shooting, keeping an eye on your histogram, do a little PP. You DO have a good eye though so if you work at it, I'm sure you'll be taking some great shots in no time. Perhaps check out a photography book too, it has certainly helped me.
I have to say that I'm fairly appalled at some of the responses here. A reminder why I don't use these forums much.

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RBFresno
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Yep..Can be big diffrenece btween RAW and Post-processed
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wint wrote:

And now, I'm posting here some of pitcures taken in the weekend.

What you guys think about the IQ produced from my combo? That are the IQ to expect or lacking something?

No post production here. From RAW 14bits to jpg 100% in LR4.

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HI!

These are a little over the top, but show examples of differences between RAW and fairly heavy post processing:

RAW:

Nikon D4 ,Nikkor 200mm f/2G IF-ED AF-S VR
1/200s f/7.1 at 200.0mm iso2500

Post processed:

And another:

http://www.dpreview.com/challenges/Entry.aspx?ID=270642


‚ÄčThere are multiple  steps from image capture to final image and multiple opportunities to degrade or enhance the final image.

RB

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Ray Ritchie Veteran Member • Posts: 4,026
Re: Yep..Can be big diffrenece btween RAW and Post-processed

I don't think I understand your point. If it's viewable, it isn't raw. If the raw NEF has been converted to JPEG in, say, Lightroom 4 (as the OP says he did), then it *has* been post-processed. Lightroom can do saturated colors and enhanced contrast just as Photoshop can.

Ray
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RBFresno
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Re: Yep..Can be big diffrenece btween RAW and Post-processed

Hi!

Ray Ritchie wrote:

I don't think I understand your point. If it's viewable, it isn't raw. If the raw NEF has been converted to JPEG in, say, Lightroom 4 (as the OP says he did), then it *has* been post-processed. Lightroom can do saturated colors and enhanced contrast just as Photoshop can.

Ray
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The OP indicated that his images were "RAW, no "post- production".

Of course all digital images are processed to some extent.

I was trying to be nice and basically say that just taking a RAW image and converting to JPEG is not typically the best way to get the most out of your image and/or how to judge how good of a job your equipment is doing.

RB

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rusticus
rusticus Contributing Member • Posts: 559
FX-Hype, I do not need FX for these photos

I find the pictures ok, but nothing more -
anyway I see the FX hype with mixed feelings -
these images could come from almost any camera (MFT to FX)

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OP wint Regular Member • Posts: 387
Re: Yep..Can be big diffrenece btween RAW and Post-processed

RBFresno wrote:

wint wrote:

And now, I'm posting here some of pitcures taken in the weekend.

What you guys think about the IQ produced from my combo? That are the IQ to expect or lacking something?

No post production here. From RAW 14bits to jpg 100% in LR4.

HI!

These are a little over the top, but show examples of differences between RAW and fairly heavy post processing:

RAW:

Nikon D4 ,Nikkor 200mm f/2G IF-ED AF-S VR
1/200s f/7.1 at 200.0mm iso2500

Post processed:

And another:

http://www.dpreview.com/challenges/Entry.aspx?ID=270642


‚ÄčThere are multiple steps from image capture to final image and multiple opportunities to degrade or enhance the final image.

RB

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amobi
amobi Veteran Member • Posts: 3,113
Re: FX-Hype, I do not need FX for these photos

rusticus wrote:

I find the pictures ok, but nothing more -
anyway I see the FX hype with mixed feelings -
these images could come from almost any camera (MFT to FX)

FX is not a hype. It is real.

RBFresno
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Re: Yep..Can be big diffrenece btween RAW and Post-processed

wint wrote:


I like your B&W conversion!

RB

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