The 12-35 mm for landscape.

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gollywop
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Re: The 12-35 mm for landscape.

Bob Tullis wrote:

Thanks, Gollywop. I need the likes of guys/gals such as yourself, to verify what I think I see though casual field tests.

I haven't done any determined landscapes as of late, but for what I've done I feel the lens was a good purchase (and a boon to the format in general). I've been enjoying the detail that can be drawn through it.

Thanks, Bob, I appreciate the kudos.  Those are wonderful examples of what this lens can do -- at all focal lengths.

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Re: The 12-35 mm for landscape.
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ravinj wrote:

sigala1 wrote:

ravinj wrote:

sigala1 wrote:

This review would have been more helpful if you took the same photo with a cheaper lens, and then compared to see if you were gaining anything by spending so much money on a lens.

Is there a cheaper 12-35 F2.8 lens in MFT mount? I would like to buy one.

There are four other MFT lenses that cover 12mm, plus several legacy 4/3 lenses, all less expensive.

Plus, if you zoomed in to 14mm, you could compare it against several 14-42 kit lenses.

You missed the point. Re-read my question again: Is there a cheaper 12-35 F2.8 lens in MFT mount?

The answer is no, there is no other lens in MFT mount that offers this focal length range at a constant F2.8. Not having to swap lenses, having the option of F2.8 throughout the range and fast focusing due to native MFT mount, all these make it worth a premium for some people.

Not having to carry around multiple primes or dealing with adapters also deserves a premium and some persons will gladly pay such a premium. Others will carry a bagful of lenses, keep swapping and miss the shots or use legacy M/3 lenses with an adapter.

A perfect post.

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Bob Tullis
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Re: *Sigh* I get so bored.....
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papillon_65 wrote:

at the constant questioning about the value of this lens ( and this is not directed at the OP by the way ).

If you want 12mm at the wide end and a constant F2.8 aperture zoom then it's the only game in town. If you don't need the 12mm or the faster aperture then get the Panasonic 14-45mm and be happy with it, it's close enough.

On the question of the value of the 12-35mm, if you use it a lot it's worth every penny, if you don't then it's not, just like any other lens.

On the question of image quality, it's sharp at all apertures and all focal lengths until diffraction becomes apparent. If you use it on an Oly any CA is easily removed by Lightroom or similar. It's also sharp across the frame.

It's weathersealed and very well made and it has a slight purple sheen to it. That's it, that's all you need to know, no questions, no more arguments, it does exactly what it says on the tin.....

Can people just please get over it, it's a lens not a solution to the global banking crisis......

sigala1 clearly doesn't want to see what some see in this lens, though it haunts him.  Don't sweat it.  [g]

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Re: *Sigh* I get so bored.....
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papillon_65 wrote:

Can people just please get over it, it's a lens not a solution to the global banking crisis......

But I WANT a solution to the global banking crisis, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect same from the camera lens that has thus far been my favorite.

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Re: *Sigh* I get so bored.....

Bob Tullis wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

at the constant questioning about the value of this lens ( and this is not directed at the OP by the way ).

If you want 12mm at the wide end and a constant F2.8 aperture zoom then it's the only game in town. If you don't need the 12mm or the faster aperture then get the Panasonic 14-45mm and be happy with it, it's close enough.

On the question of the value of the 12-35mm, if you use it a lot it's worth every penny, if you don't then it's not, just like any other lens.

On the question of image quality, it's sharp at all apertures and all focal lengths until diffraction becomes apparent. If you use it on an Oly any CA is easily removed by Lightroom or similar. It's also sharp across the frame.

It's weathersealed and very well made and it has a slight purple sheen to it. That's it, that's all you need to know, no questions, no more arguments, it does exactly what it says on the tin.....

Can people just please get over it, it's a lens not a solution to the global banking crisis......

sigala1 clearly doesn't want to see what some see in this lens, though it haunts him. Don't sweat it. [g]

I wouldn't mind Bob but this review has been out for ages and the widget pretty much shows exactly how my lens performs, what is not to like?

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RealPancho
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Re: The 12-35 mm for landscape.

Thanks for posting several excellent photographs that you made with this lens. I have one myself, and the full-size versions you have said are available at your website will give me good comparisons with my own results.

I can't understand why the OP did not post the photos to which he is referring, as opposed to simply describing them.

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Re: *Sigh* I get so bored.....

papillon_65 wrote:

Bob Tullis wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

at the constant questioning about the value of this lens ( and this is not directed at the OP by the way ).

If you want 12mm at the wide end and a constant F2.8 aperture zoom then it's the only game in town. If you don't need the 12mm or the faster aperture then get the Panasonic 14-45mm and be happy with it, it's close enough.

On the question of the value of the 12-35mm, if you use it a lot it's worth every penny, if you don't then it's not, just like any other lens.

On the question of image quality, it's sharp at all apertures and all focal lengths until diffraction becomes apparent. If you use it on an Oly any CA is easily removed by Lightroom or similar. It's also sharp across the frame.

It's weathersealed and very well made and it has a slight purple sheen to it. That's it, that's all you need to know, no questions, no more arguments, it does exactly what it says on the tin.....

Can people just please get over it, it's a lens not a solution to the global banking crisis......

sigala1 clearly doesn't want to see what some see in this lens, though it haunts him. Don't sweat it. [g]

I wouldn't mind Bob but this review has been out for ages and the widget pretty much shows exactly how my lens performs, what is not to like?

Having to pay for it.   Returns on glass resolution/IQ are diminishing as IQ is upped, and the price per ounce for that is just not of value to some.  Same could be said of constant aperture zooms.

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Re: *Sigh* I get so bored.....

Bob Tullis wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

Bob Tullis wrote:

papillon_65 wrote:

at the constant questioning about the value of this lens ( and this is not directed at the OP by the way ).

If you want 12mm at the wide end and a constant F2.8 aperture zoom then it's the only game in town. If you don't need the 12mm or the faster aperture then get the Panasonic 14-45mm and be happy with it, it's close enough.

On the question of the value of the 12-35mm, if you use it a lot it's worth every penny, if you don't then it's not, just like any other lens.

On the question of image quality, it's sharp at all apertures and all focal lengths until diffraction becomes apparent. If you use it on an Oly any CA is easily removed by Lightroom or similar. It's also sharp across the frame.

It's weathersealed and very well made and it has a slight purple sheen to it. That's it, that's all you need to know, no questions, no more arguments, it does exactly what it says on the tin.....

Can people just please get over it, it's a lens not a solution to the global banking crisis......

sigala1 clearly doesn't want to see what some see in this lens, though it haunts him. Don't sweat it. [g]

I wouldn't mind Bob but this review has been out for ages and the widget pretty much shows exactly how my lens performs, what is not to like?

Having to pay for it. Returns on glass resolution/IQ are diminishing as IQ is upped, and the price per ounce for that is just not of value to some. Same could be said of constant aperture zooms.

True, in my naivety I forgot how some people expect something for nothing, what was I thinking!

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Re: *Sigh* I get so bored.....

Ditto and amen.

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Bob Tullis
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Re: The 12-35 mm for landscape.

RealPancho wrote:

Thanks for posting several excellent photographs that you made with this lens. I have one myself, and the full-size versions you have said are available at your website will give me good comparisons with my own results.

I can't understand why the OP did not post the photos to which he is referring, as opposed to simply describing them.

I'd guess that first it's work to conduct the test.   And then it takes time to present it.  I know when I have a few images to post and I need to edit between images or move them around the DPR editor can be awfully frustrating.   And who knows whether work or family cuts into allotted DPR time (one or the other invariably does).

His word is good enough for me, as he's shown in the past he's fair, balanced, and practical.

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gollywop
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Here are a few.

RealPancho wrote:

Posting the entire series might be a bit much, but why didn't you at least provide a few of these pics? Simply hearing about them is, you know, kinda boring. :\

Here are the 4 at "infinite" focus, Frank. I have hesitated to put them up because the dpr renditions do a bit more butchery than is desirable for good viewing. However, I uploaded them as full sized jpegs, and you should be able to get the originals.

They are, in order, the "infinite" focus, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, and f/8. Recall also that these images have no sharpening or clarity applied.





f/4



f/5.6



f/8

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Re: The 12-35 mm for landscape.

I bought my 12-35mm because of the weather sealing and little else -- other than I'd heard it was extremely well built.  I had no expectations about its IQ being significantly better than the 14-45 I have (and love) and was actually fully resigned to the possibility that it would actually be worse.

I do LOVE extremely wide angle lenses, like my 7-14mm, primarily for interior shots and closeups of faces, things, etc.  (i.e. I don't do a lot of landscapes, kind of don't get the point of a wide-angle lens for landscapes since to get the real wide stuff you need to have an image where everything of interest is impossibly far on the horizon -- why not just do a panning shot and stitch them together?  But I digress).

Because of this, the fact that the 12-35 went down to 12mm was a little exciting.  Suffice to say that after owning this lens for month, I can say:

1.  The IQ is significantly better than I was led to believe -- I am very pleasantly surprised.  It appears to be on a par not only with the 14-45mm, but also (at 25mm) in the ballpark of my 25mm PanLeica.

2.  It's not at all bad wide-open and, at least from 12-14mm, is giving the 7-14mm a bit of a run, particularly since the latter is significantly slower than the f2.8 12-34.

Took these today out back on my farm.  Nothing to write home about, but should give you some idea.  They are landscapes and that's not my forte' and I was just playing around...

RAW image from GH3 processed into JPEG by Aperture.  Note CA.

In-camera HDR of same scene above

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Unfortunately we have no access to original size.

We only get small, medium and large, not original. This must be due to some setting in your gallery.

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Would love to see these in full size.

This gallery only lets us select small, medium and large, not original.

To really judge sharpness full size images are needed. The images look great but are too small (even in "large" size) to really see a difference with lesser lenses.

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sigala1 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,818
Purple fringing alert!

gtravis wrote:

1. The IQ is significantly better than I was led to believe -- I am very pleasantly surprised. It appears to be on a par not only with the 14-45mm, but also (at 25mm) in the ballpark of my 25mm PanLeica.

2. It's not at all bad wide-open and, at least from 12-14mm, is giving the 7-14mm a bit of a run, particularly since the latter is significantly slower than the f2.8 12-34.

Took these today out back on my farm. Nothing to write home about, but should give you some idea. They are landscapes and that's not my forte' and I was just playing around...

RAW image from GH3 processed into JPEG by Aperture. Note CA.

Purple fringing clearly visible, even reduced to small web size.

I don't need to spend $1300 on a lens to get purple fringing.

RealPancho
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Re: Here are a few.

gollywop wrote:

RealPancho wrote:

Posting the entire series might be a bit much, but why didn't you at least provide a few of these pics? Simply hearing about them is, you know, kinda boring. :\

Here are the 4 at "infinite" focus, Frank. I have hesitated to put them up because the dpr renditions do a bit more butchery than is desirable for good viewing. However, I uploaded them as full sized jpegs, and you should be able to get the originals.

Understood.

They are, in order, the "infinite" focus, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, and f/8. Recall also that these images have no sharpening or clarity applied.

Thanks. That's really very helpful. I'm on my way to work in a few here, but I'll check them out when I get back.

Best regards.

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Re: Unfortunately we have no access to original size.

Paul De Bra wrote:

We only get small, medium and large, not original. This must be due to some setting in your gallery.

I don't understand that, Paul.  I've got my prefs set to allow downloads of the originals.  Once you click "show original" you must click the image to get the full size.

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Re: Purple fringing alert!
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1.  Note my note on the picture above "Note CA" (purple fringing).  That was a JPEG from the Camera RAW processed through Aperture, which does no lens-based CA correction as far as I can tell. Capture One produced a nearly identical image (with purple fringing).  I'm getting ready to try LightRoom.

2.  The in-camera JPEGs of the same pictures have no purple fringing/CA (check out the composite HDR picture in the bunch)

3.  This is a worst-case scenario for that lens, namely it's set to its widest -- 12mm.

RealPancho
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Re: The 12-35 mm for landscape.

Bob Tullis wrote:

RealPancho wrote:

Thanks for posting several excellent photographs that you made with this lens. I have one myself, and the full-size versions you have said are available at your website will give me good comparisons with my own results.

I can't understand why the OP did not post the photos to which he is referring, as opposed to simply describing them.

I'd guess that first it's work to conduct the test. And then it takes time to present it. I know when I have a few images to post and I need to edit between images or move them around the DPR editor can be awfully frustrating. And who knows whether work or family cuts into allotted DPR time (one or the other invariably does).

His word is good enough for me, as he's shown in the past he's fair, balanced, and practical.

[g]

Right. Sorry - didn't mean to sound confrontational. I have more time constraints of my own now that school is back in session. I'm just always anxious about others' results compared to my own, as my photography hobby is only "seriously" renewed very recently, and there is a wealth of information regarding digital that I'm largely ignorant of. The forum has really helped, though. It's both taught me a lot in a few short months, as well as pointed me to other good sources. This internet thing is quite a wonder, no?

Best regards,

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