Looking for a GREAT P&S

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BobT Forum Pro • Posts: 13,119
Looking for a GREAT P&S

I'm considering trading in BOTH my Canon SX230 AND NEW SX50HS for a single, top IQ producing P&S to accompany my DSLR.  Doesn't have to be a Canon.  But does have to have a 5X (or 10X preferred) zoom.

So what's out there that I could acquire, from trading off my two other Canons?

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brianj Forum Pro • Posts: 14,657
Re: Looking for a GREAT P&S

BobT wrote:

I'm considering trading in BOTH my Canon SX230 AND NEW SX50HS for a single, top IQ producing P&S to accompany my DSLR. Doesn't have to be a Canon. But does have to have a 5X (or 10X preferred) zoom.

So what's out there that I could acquire, from trading off my two other Canons?

What you have described is the great gap in camera models.

They are either too big, lack 24mm wide angle, have too small sensors, or severely lack zoom.

I think many people are after this exact catagory, but unfortunately it doesn't exist which is why I am buying a new SX240HS.  I already own a samsung EX1 which has lovely pictures and a brilliant 24mm wide angle, but lacks zoom so maybe together with these two cameras I can span the gap.

I guess that is what you were already trying to do with the models you own, so I will be interested to see what you come up with.  Maybe if I compromised and didn't want wide angle it would be much easier, but that is very important to me.

Brian

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OP BobT Forum Pro • Posts: 13,119
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How about G12, G15 or Nikon's P7100 for starters?

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brianj Forum Pro • Posts: 14,657
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BobT wrote:

How about G12, G15 or Nikon's P7100 for starters?

All start at 28mm, practically useless for me, and I already have an EX1, so to exceed I would want one that goes from say 24-240mm with a 1/1.7 BSI-CMOS sensor, even the EX2F lacks the zoom.

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Hank3152 Forum Pro • Posts: 13,499
Re: Looking for a GREAT P&S

BobT wrote:

I'm considering trading in BOTH my Canon SX230 AND NEW SX50HS for a single, top IQ producing P&S to accompany my DSLR. Doesn't have to be a Canon. But does have to have a 5X (or 10X preferred) zoom.

Why not consider the S100 for well under $300 although it's a 5x and very pocketable. I have the very similar S95 to complement my DSLRs and wouldn't consider anything larger for it's portability.



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RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 27,306
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Hank3152 wrote:

BobT wrote:

I'm considering trading in BOTH my Canon SX230 AND NEW SX50HS for a single, top IQ producing P&S to accompany my DSLR. Doesn't have to be a Canon. But does have to have a 5X (or 10X preferred) zoom.

Why not consider the S100 for well under $300 although it's a 5x

That's the problem with the "x" zoom nomenclature, it doesn't tell you the total range.  The s100 is 24-100 and 5x and the G15 lens is 28-140 and is 5x too but you get 40mm less on the long end of the lens. And if a camera had 32mm on the short end it would be 160mm at the long end of a 5x zoom.

So the OP need to state what he's looking for in a lens as far as on the short end and long end.  A lot of camera users have little use for 24mm or even 28mm on the short end but would rather have more "reach" at the long end of the lens.

Usually when someone asks about a 5x or 10x they are thinking of the long end of the lens, not the short end.

RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 27,306
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BobT wrote:

How about G12, G15 or Nikon's P7100 for starters?

Well the p7100 is quite a bit behind even the G12 and the G15 is even further ahead of the p7100.  nikon's p7700 has made a better attempt at reaching the G-series quality and performance but still falls short.

Look into the G15.  The faster lens aperture and faster autofocus make it very desirable.

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RedFox88 wrote:

Hank3152 wrote:

BobT wrote:

I'm considering trading in BOTH my Canon SX230 AND NEW SX50HS for a single, top IQ producing P&S to accompany my DSLR. Doesn't have to be a Canon. But does have to have a 5X (or 10X preferred) zoom.

Why not consider the S100 for well under $300 although it's a 5x

That's the problem with the "x" zoom nomenclature, it doesn't tell you the total range. The s100 is 24-100 and 5x and the G15 lens is 28-140 and is 5x too but you get 40mm less on the long end of the lens. And if a camera had 32mm on the short end it would be 160mm at the long end of a 5x zoom.

So the OP need to state what he's looking for in a lens as far as on the short end and long end. A lot of camera users have little use for 24mm or even 28mm on the short end but would rather have more "reach" at the long end of the lens.

Usually when someone asks about a 5x or 10x they are thinking of the long end of the lens, not the short end.

I agree, but it's only relative here since the wide end of a p&s is generally in the same mid 20mm area...... unlike the SLR Lens forums where 'x' zoom is never mentioned, i.e., the similar ratios between the 24-105 and 100-400 .......

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Get you an RX1, you'll hold the best P&S available…you can crop for zoom easily…shoot ISO 6400 easily with clean photos…turn lens to macro mode and shoot macros for fun with color depth that is phenomenal…IQ beyond DSLR's…built like a tank…I never use the EVF, so don't even require it, waste of money...

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OP BobT Forum Pro • Posts: 13,119
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RX1 is WWAAAYYYYYY beyond my $$$ means.  But a mighty nice machine, no doubt.

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28mm-200m. on the Nikon P7700. Has had great reviews. A tad slower than the G15 in day/low light focus but good none the less. Very sharp lens too.

Steen Bay Veteran Member • Posts: 6,974
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RedFox88 wrote:

Hank3152 wrote:

BobT wrote:

I'm considering trading in BOTH my Canon SX230 AND NEW SX50HS for a single, top IQ producing P&S to accompany my DSLR. Doesn't have to be a Canon. But does have to have a 5X (or 10X preferred) zoom.

Why not consider the S100 for well under $300 although it's a 5x

That's the problem with the "x" zoom nomenclature, it doesn't tell you the total range. The s100 is 24-100 and 5x and the G15 lens is 28-140 and is 5x too but you get 40mm less on the long end of the lens. And if a camera had 32mm on the short end it would be 160mm at the long end of a 5x zoom.

5 x 24 = 120 (the S100 has a 24-120mm equivalent lens).

So the OP need to state what he's looking for in a lens as far as on the short end and long end. A lot of camera users have little use for 24mm or even 28mm on the short end but would rather have more "reach" at the long end of the lens.

Usually when someone asks about a 5x or 10x they are thinking of the long end of the lens, not the short end.

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LarsPolarBear Regular Member • Posts: 354
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BobT wrote:

I'm considering trading in BOTH my Canon SX230 AND NEW SX50HS for a single, top IQ producing P&S to accompany my DSLR. Doesn't have to be a Canon. But does have to have a 5X (or 10X preferred) zoom.

So what's out there that I could acquire, from trading off my two other Canons?

What about using a tele/wide ange converter? These are available for the Canon G-Series including the G1X and G15 as well as for the Nikon P7100/P7700. I am using a teleconverter with a G1X and are quite happy with it. You get the IQ of the G1X and a longer reach. If you want to travel light you only take the camera (in case of G15 or P7700 even smaller) and if you need the reach or wide angel you can bring the converters (either tele or wide angle). It is still a smaller pack than a DSLR plus lenses... just my 2c.

Hope it helps

Lars

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OP BobT Forum Pro • Posts: 13,119
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Lars,

I like that thinking.  That 2nd shot was with the tele converter AND into the digital zoom range, too?  Not bad at all.

Can you give me the specific model info for both the Wide and Tele adapters?  Thanks.

Then it becomes a question of IF those adapters with a G-Series or Nikon P7700 will produce better images than my native Canon SX50 HS?  That's an important question.

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RedFox88 Forum Pro • Posts: 27,306
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Hank3152 wrote:

I agree, but it's only relative here since the wide end of a p&s is generally in the same mid 20mm area......

Mid 20mm for P&S cameras, really?  I think most are in the low 30mm and more expensive ones are 28 or so and a small handful at 24mm.

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Mike604 wrote:

28mm-200m. on the Nikon P7700. Has had great reviews. A tad slower than the G15 in day/low light focus but good none the less.

The p7700 has made strides towards the g-series but still isn't there yet.  The G15 has better high ISO and the focusing is faster.

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Hank3152 Forum Pro • Posts: 13,499
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RedFox88 wrote:

Hank3152 wrote:

I agree, but it's only relative here since the wide end of a p&s is generally in the same mid 20mm area......

Mid 20mm for P&S cameras, really? I think most are in the low 30mm and more expensive ones are 28 or so and a small handful at 24mm.

Really, ..... all the ones I've ever handled have all been between 24 - 28 but that's beside the point..........

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.......... the main point here is that the P&S forums are the only ones using the 'x' terminology

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yooperguy Senior Member • Posts: 1,865
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BobT wrote:

Lars,

I like that thinking. That 2nd shot was with the tele converter AND into the digital zoom range, too? Not bad at all.

Can you give me the specific model info for both the Wide and Tele adapters? Thanks.

Then it becomes a question of IF those adapters with a G-Series or Nikon P7700 will produce better images than my native Canon SX50 HS? That's an important question.

Think about the size of the lenses and adapters required.  I have a G9 and G11, I also have the Canon 0.75x wide converter and 2.0x tele converter lenses.  The work fine on my G9 (they were designed for it), but the wide converter does not work well on my G11, others have had better results with theirs.  The lenses let me shoot at 26mm to 420mm with my G9 (35mm - 210mm native).  The G11/G12/G15 would be 21mm to 280mm equivalent.  I've shot my G9 with the tele lens and the tele lens to get 840mm equiv.  The results were not too bad, but digital tele will not be as good as shooting RAW (no digital tele) and cropping.

Here are some shots showing the adapters and lenses on the my G11;









Dennis

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jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
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According to some, the G15 is better at higher ISOs and the P7700 is better at the lowest ISOS...

RedFox88 wrote:

The p7700 has made strides towards the g-series but still isn't there yet. The G15 has better high ISO and the focusing is faster.

OP BobT Forum Pro • Posts: 13,119
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For some reason, I'm kind of liking this option.  Does Canon make technically different adapter lenses for their different G-series camera bodies?

But what kind of IQ should one expect from these combos?  How would you rate/describe the results that you get with your G9 + both Wide and Tele adapter lenses?  I must admit that I truly like the G9 because of it's natural 6X zoom.  But would this be a compromise where IQ is concerned?  Are all later G-series cameras noticably better in the IQ department, than is the G9?

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