how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

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botw Regular Member • Posts: 284
Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"
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Ralph46 wrote:

Just thought of a simpler answer.

Just say that the DSLR is like a Nikon F and the NEX is like a Leica M. That doesn't do justice to the versatility of the NEX but most people with even a vague knowledge of cameras will understand.

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I think you are a little optimistic about what sort of camera knowledge people have. 

As for many others, dslrs - at least the nice ones - still have many advantages over mirrorless camera.  Mirrorless cameras' main advantage over them is size, which is not an insubstantial advantage.  In the end, this is a complex question and one I wouldn't get into unless you had a real desire and willingness to discuss with the person.

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Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

botw wrote:

Ralph46 wrote:

Just thought of a simpler answer.

Just say that the DSLR is like a Nikon F and the NEX is like a Leica M. That doesn't do justice to the versatility of the NEX but most people with even a vague knowledge of cameras will understand.

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I think you are a little optimistic about what sort of camera knowledge people have.

As for many others, dslrs - at least the nice ones - still have many advantages over mirrorless camera. Mirrorless cameras' main advantage over them is size, which is not an insubstantial advantage. In the end, this is a complex question and one I wouldn't get into unless you had a real desire and willingness to discuss with the person.

I think when people ask me the question it isn't about a comparison btwn DSLRs and mirrorless camera. While mirrorless cameras is a fast growing field, the vast majority out there probably has no idea what it is. So whether someone not into photography or a DSLR user, they may not know about mirrorless cameras at all and may think of NEX as just some P&S compact camera.

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chillzatl Regular Member • Posts: 431
Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

I just say that it's as good as most DSLR's and I don't have to lug around a big ole camera and bag of gear. I'd sacrifice some quality for the convenience, but I don't have to. I go out with friends who bring their nice DSLR's and they have to bring a bag and lug it around all night. I can fit my nex, an extra battery and a ping pong ball flash diffuser in my jacket pocket and at the end of the night take as good if not better pics.

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Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

kev777zero wrote:

being a 2+yr mirrorless shooter (and never used a DSLR), I often get comments like "nice photos, why don't you get a DSLR?" Sometimes I try explaining the sensor equivalence to most DSLRs therefore similar image quality (and then I get the "huh?" look), while other times I just get lazy and say DSLRs are too big. What might be the most sensible & informative way of explaining myself?

Tell them they are nuts to cary all that heavy gear with minimom better perfomance.

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goetz48 Senior Member • Posts: 2,607
Yery simple:

I have some of them.

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Ara1 Regular Member • Posts: 166
Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

My answer:

"Well I wanted to buy a DSLR. They were too expensive and for my money, the performance wasn't as good as what the reviewers were saying about the NEX-5N."

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Re: Yery simple:

goetz48 wrote:

I have some of them.

Or, I used to have some of them.

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kaku Contributing Member • Posts: 630
Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

chillzatl wrote:

I just say that it's as good as most DSLR's and I don't have to lug around a big ole camera and bag of gear. I'd sacrifice some quality for the convenience, but I don't have to. I go out with friends who bring their nice DSLR's and they have to bring a bag and lug it around all night. I can fit my nex, an extra battery and a ping pong ball flash diffuser in my jacket pocket and at the end of the night take as good if not better pics.

I don't get this reasoning.  Why must people equate DSLRs with having a NEED to always lug around a bag of gear?  Certainly, DSLR users could easily lug just the camera (with a good pair of glass) and an extra battery as well.  If anything, DSLRs still have the legs up in quality of (non-manual) lens.

Also, given the fact that the NEX *is* an ILC, you could also say that NEX users could be lugging around a bag full of gear as well.

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Honestly I've never had that question.  My typical reactions received when shooting with the NEX vary between the following:

1. They completely ignore me and take no notice of the camera at all - 80%

2. They ask what camera it is - I tell them Sony NEX - and that's all they really wanted to know - 10%

3. They ask what camera it is - I tell them Sony NEX, they ask which model, how do I like it, or want to know more about it.  Some are surprised to find out the lenses are interchangeable, others already know.  Some are surprised when they find out the sensor is APS-C, others already know.  Most want to know how it focuses, the quality, whether it can handle high ISO, what the EVF looks like to shoot with, etc. - 10%.

Most of the folks that are in any way interested or ask about the camera seem to have heard of it somehow - and want to know more about it.  Some of those folks have seen me shooting with a DSLR, so some already know I have one - that might be the reason they don't ask such a question.  Others are interested in going through all the details about the NEX, and never ask me about how it compares to a DSLR - usually I end up volunteering that I also shoot with a DSLR - it's useful in conversation to explain the camera, because I can tell them 'I also shoot with a DSLR, and I can get the same quality with much more convenience out of this NEX, and can shoot about 90% of the same stuff just as well...but it's so much lighter and more portable even as a kit.'  Sometimes I have my DSLR with me too, so I can give them a visual comparison - two cameras with the identical sensor, but one so much smaller and lighter than the other - I can fit my NEX body and 7 lenses in 1/3 the footprint of my DSLR and 7 lenses, and easily 1/3 the weight.

The most I've been asked in relation to DSLRs is 'So why do I keep the DSLR when the NEX is just as good', so I explain the superior ergonomics and controls for action/wildlife shooting, as well as the advantages I get out of an optical viewfinder, larger buffer, much higher battery life, and better control with long lenses handheld, when shooting birds in flight, panning and tracking, etc.  I explain that I can also shoot much of this stuff with the NEX, but it's not quite as easy, not quite as ergonomic, and runs into limitations like the buffer size and panning stagger - so for me, it's still best to keep both systems in my arsenal as very good compliments to eachother.

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Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

kev777zero wrote:

botw wrote:

Ralph46 wrote:

Just thought of a simpler answer.

Just say that the DSLR is like a Nikon F and the NEX is like a Leica M. That doesn't do justice to the versatility of the NEX but most people with even a vague knowledge of cameras will understand.

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I think you are a little optimistic about what sort of camera knowledge people have.

As for many others, dslrs - at least the nice ones - still have many advantages over mirrorless camera. Mirrorless cameras' main advantage over them is size, which is not an insubstantial advantage. In the end, this is a complex question and one I wouldn't get into unless you had a real desire and willingness to discuss with the person.

I think when people ask me the question it isn't about a comparison btwn DSLRs and mirrorless camera. While mirrorless cameras is a fast growing field, the vast majority out there probably has no idea what it is. So whether someone not into photography or a DSLR user, they may not know about mirrorless cameras at all and may think of NEX as just some P&S compact camera.

You know, initially with the original 5 with some manual lens, people would go "WTH?"

I was at a graduation event, and noticed four Nex shooters side by side - I was the only one not using the kit lens.

I was at a competition event, and noticed only DSLRs users, and two professionals using FF (5dII). I think that they thought that I was just a parent using a P&S. (No Leica thinking here )

Out with DSLR shooters, I noticed that I ended up with many more pictures - the Nex is easier to get in and out of the bag, you can hold it in your hand longer, and I was trying out different lenses. Ended up with 3x the number of pictures as some of the DSLR shooters.

Last fall, on a sunny afternoon in San Francisco, I had quite a few people walk over and ask: "Is that one of those new small cameras?" Some even asked: "Is that the new Sony?"

Last thought: most people upgrade their cameras maybe only once in five years or longer. These mirrorless cameras are still very new to many. At the office, where they have a photo club, I am the only Nex shooter, all others are DSLRs.

What do I like best about the Nex? That I don't look like a pro

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goetz48 Senior Member • Posts: 2,607
Re: Yery simple:

No, at keast the A77 is still very active.

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DtEW Senior Member • Posts: 2,449
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kaku wrote:

Also, given the fact that the NEX *is* an ILC, you could also say that NEX users could be lugging around a bag full of gear as well.

*raises hand and jumps up and down*

(I'm usually out-and-about with no less than 4 lenses in tow.)

The non-facetious answer is that I generally don't really care all that much what I tell people if that question comes up. It might be some weak, sub-primary reasoning one day, or even complete gobblygook when I'm having a bad day or distracted with other things at hand. It doesn't matter to me and I don't care if I seem justified or not.

And it's not because I'm so absolutely self-assured by nature. It's simply that I am often (2-4 times a month?) out with photography expeditions (usually urbex)/meets, which of course are dominated by dSLR users. There might be some curiosity at my setup from the dSLR users, but rarely "why aren't you using so-and-so" because I'm sure they get some version of the same for the Canon/Nikon rivalry.

But when the time comes to share our take, there are never any questions.

Quite simply, the NEX MILC system does not significantly constrain the way I shoot, and my results are equal to (if not better than) what my peers are getting out of their dSLRs. Quite a few in the course of meeting me for the first time have voiced shock at the fact that I'm getting the results I'm getting (which they have seen earlier in other threads) from such a relatively tiny camera.  In the last group explore thread, I was referred to as "DtEW and his damn mirrorless".

So that's why I don't care. Because the results speak for themselves.

Those are merely my experiences and with my specific shooting groups and whatever their level of expertise in the subject matter and environments we shoot in. Your results may vary.

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Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

kev777zero wrote:

being a 2+yr mirrorless shooter (and never used a DSLR), I often get comments like "nice photos, why don't you get a DSLR?" Sometimes I try explaining the sensor equivalence to most DSLRs therefore similar image quality (and then I get the "huh?" look), while other times I just get lazy and say DSLRs are too big. What might be the most sensible & informative way of explaining myself?

How about this series from video the NEX marketing campaign recently?  Surely you've seen these before.

Pro with a NEX takes the p**s out of clueless DSLR users filmed here in Sydney

http://www.youtube.com/user/dslrgearnoidea?feature=watch

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Steve1307 wrote:

How about this series from video the NEX marketing campaign recently? Surely you've seen these before.

Pro with a NEX takes the p**s out of clueless DSLR users filmed here in Sydney

http://www.youtube.com/user/dslrgearnoidea?feature=watch

I watched it again, and arrived at the same conclusion as last time. He's saying that, if you're too clueless to use a DSLR, you should use a NEX. Is this really how NEX owners want to be seen?

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Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"
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kev777zero wrote:

being a 2+yr mirrorless shooter (and never used a DSLR), I often get comments like "nice photos, why don't you get a DSLR?" Sometimes I try explaining the sensor equivalence to most DSLRs therefore similar image quality (and then I get the "huh?" look), while other times I just get lazy and say DSLRs are too big. What might be the most sensible & informative way of explaining myself?

How about; smaller size, similar image quality and matches my shooting style better.

People in this thread claiming superiority of MILC over DSLR, or vice versa, are not being objective. Each system has advantages, and IQ is similar for similar sensor sizes. All you can say, if you're being honest, is that the advantages of one system meets your needs better than the other.

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Re: how to respond when asked "why don't you get a DSLR?"

kev777zero wrote:

being a 2+yr mirrorless shooter (and never used a DSLR), I often get comments like "nice photos, why don't you get a DSLR?" Sometimes I try explaining the sensor equivalence to most DSLRs therefore similar image quality (and then I get the "huh?" look), while other times I just get lazy and say DSLRs are too big. What might be the most sensible & informative way of explaining myself?

How about; smaller size, similar image quality and matches my shooting style better.

People in this thread claiming superiority of MILC over DSLR, or vice versa, are not being objective. Each system has advantages, and IQ is similar for similar sensor sizes. All you can say, if you're being honest, is that the advantages of one system meets your needs better than the other.

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It would make more sense if people didn't assume MILC = smaller sensor that a DSLR. Since thus is a forum for NEX, it makes sense to work with the facts around APS-C sensors, DSLR/DSLT or NEX.

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Fredy Ross Veteran Member • Posts: 6,793
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I have had a lot of tourists wanting to buy my nex when I stood and took a panorama and they were amazed at the results.

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This thread takes me back a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWlj9ZJkliA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Yo3FRPeQw

And for those too young to remember him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bailey

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EinsteinsGhost wrote:

kev777zero wrote:

being a 2+yr mirrorless shooter (and never used a DSLR), I often get comments like "nice photos, why don't you get a DSLR?" Sometimes I try explaining the sensor equivalence to most DSLRs therefore similar image quality (and then I get the "huh?" look), while other times I just get lazy and say DSLRs are too big. What might be the most sensible & informative way of explaining myself?

How about; smaller size, similar image quality and matches my shooting style better.

People in this thread claiming superiority of MILC over DSLR, or vice versa, are not being objective. Each system has advantages, and IQ is similar for similar sensor sizes. All you can say, if you're being honest, is that the advantages of one system meets your needs better than the other.

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It would make more sense if people didn't assume MILC = smaller sensor that a DSLR. Since thus is a forum for NEX, it makes sense to work with the facts around APS-C sensors, DSLR/DSLT or NEX.

I said "similar image quality". What facts around APS-C sensors? NEX bodies use some of the same sensors as DSLR/DSLT.

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"Because a DSLR doesnt exist that combines all of the features that are in this camera and can accept Canon lenses"

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